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oscarBravo's "infractions" and impartiality

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  • #52
    O'Morris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 619 ✭✭✭O'Morris


    Bambi wrote: »
    Not wanting to back seat mod, but re regging is an insta-ban offence, ne? Why not just hit the ban stick?

    Exactly. People who continually re-register under different user names are scum. Old Mac has nothing but contempt for them.

    Ban them all and let Mod sort them out!


  • #53
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Please call them purple nurples, that would be fantastic! And instead of thanks - call them "squodges". +1squodge


  • #54
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    O'Morris wrote: »
    Exactly. People who continually re-register under different user names are scum. Old Mac has nothing but contempt for them.

    Ban them all and let Mod sort them out!
    But where would you go now there's no INP website?


  • #55
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    I got an infraction from OB before for 'insulting behaviour' in reply to a poster for saying in an EU debate...

    'Good grief, you haven't a clue' (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=56236003#post56236003 )

    and another for 'breach of forum charter' http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55492074#post55492074

    Never got any from any other mod yet :D


  • #56
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    And...what? You've had to have counselling? Girls won't go out with you? The value of your house has fallen?

    I didn't realise infractions were so terribly upsetting.


  • #57
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    And...what? You've had to have counselling? Girls won't go out with you? The value of your house has fallen?

    I didn't realise infractions were so terribly upsetting.

    Would you give yourself an infraction for that reply if it was in Politics forum? :rolleyes:


  • #58
    redspider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    DeVore wrote: »
    infractions are warnings of unacceptible behaviour. I would have thought they have fairly clear labels. They are lesser rebukes then a ban and more obvious to the user then a post on a thread that they have just behaved unacceptibly.

    They also will auto ban a user who accumulates 10 of them in a short (~days) space of time.

    There is no appeals process because they simply dont have much of a consequence.

    DeVore, the problems I see is that infractions are used in a very subjective fashion, they are given out in non-obvious cases, they are used like confetti in the politics forum and when accumulated they lead to a ban. oscarBravo in particular seems to relish giving them out, he uses them in a childlike manner and they are like his 'toy'. He enjoys giving them out, I have no doubt. I was the recipient of his so-called 'judgements' and there is little support from other mods. I think I got a forum banning from a mere 3 infractions or something on items that were very very subjective. For example, one post was something like 60 lines and he took umbrage(sp?) at the last line which he interpreted as warranting an infraction. Then, there was no information from him on when I would be allowed back on.

    Its out of control if you ask me and I have no problem saying that publicly. My opinion would be that oscarBravo should be given a 'rest' from modding the politics forum, and I have no doubt that many would back that. On the one hand you could say having an active policeman in such a 'volatile' forum is a good thing and can help with 'libel issues', but on the other hand the 'strong arm' tactics poison the forum.

    Redspider


  • #59
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,662 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Ahhh the politics of the politics forum. Never ceases to entertain!

    Yore Ma Uncle Tom

    Nah, doesnt have as nice a sound to it.

    For the record, I didnt like Mike's crisps in the first place.


  • #60
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    gurramok wrote: »
    Would you give yourself an infraction for that reply if it was in Politics forum? :rolleyes:
    He's not in Politics now though, feedback is a bit more relaxed to avoid people getting themselves banned while protesting their bans etc.

    This is an infraction, I'm not going to investigate them as they are slaps on the wrist and not of consequence per se.

    For the record I think the Politics mods are fine.

    DeV.


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  • #61
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    gurramok wrote: »
    Would you give yourself an infraction for that reply if it was in Politics forum? :rolleyes:
    Is this the Politics forum?
    redspider wrote: »
    oscarBravo in particular seems to relish giving them out, he uses them in a childlike manner and they are like his 'toy'. He enjoys giving them out, I have no doubt.
    Yup. It's the only thing that gets me through the day.


  • #62
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Well OB one might wonder sometimes.

    Mike.


  • #63
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    DeVore wrote: »
    They are warnings of unacceptible behaviour. I would have thought they have fairly clear labels. They are lesser rebukes then a ban and more obvious to the user then a post on a thread that they have just behaved unacceptibly.

    They also will auto ban a user who accumulates 10 of them in a short (~days) space of time. This allows a consensus of mods to ban a user if there isnt an SMod/Admin around, in cases of fairly serious emergency. I dont believe this has happened yet.

    There is no appeals process because they simply dont have much of a consequence.

    DeV.


    so now officially you are saying mods can never be wrong.

    for example i got an infraction for insulting another member when i said somebody 'wasn't very public minded' when he gave out about buses. i mean wtf?


    they should be detailed faq on them on the boards.ie site itself and linked in an obvious place. infact a site wide sticky should be put up explaining what infractions are to reintroduce them so people know what the hell they are.

    do they have different points levels ?

    ans still no way of users to bring complaints against mods and be treated seriously.


  • #64
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    Bambi wrote: »
    I have a problem with this approach to moderation
    Hmm. I have to say I was very much surprised when I saw oB's posts in that thread, I've never seen anything like it in any other forum. The mod in question seemed to lead in with complaints about the user not replying to his posts, and then treating the apparently polite and civil responses very shortly indeed, before hinting heavily that the user might be sitebanned.

    I wouldn't mind so much but I found the user's posts very interesting and informative, as well as on-topic. As anyone who knows my posts on boards will testify, I've no fear of "vigorous" discussion, but I'm not attempting such here. I was honestly taken aback, if I was that user I would have felt frankly intimidated.

    What were the names of the four other user accounts this user was banned under?


  • #65
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Hmm. I have to say I was very much surprised when I saw oB's posts in that thread, I've never seen anything like it in any other forum. The mod in question seemed to lead in with complaints about the user not replying to his posts, and then treating the apparently polite and civil responses very shortly indeed, before hinting heavily that the user might be sitebanned.

    I wouldn't mind so much but I found the user's posts very interesting and informative, as well as on-topic. As anyone who knows my posts on boards will testify, I've no fear of "vigorous" discussion, but I'm not attempting such here. I was honestly taken aback, if I was that user I would have felt frankly intimidated.

    What were the names of the four other user accounts this user was banned under?
    Is it me, or are skins around here getting incredibly thin?

    First, this thread is started to complain about the permanent psychological scars I've inflicted by having the nerve to actually wield the blunt-force instrument of an infraction on someone. Dubya's invasion of Iraq pales into insignificance by comparison.

    But wait: it gets worse. Not content with my massacre of innocent bystanders with depleted uranium infractions, I was actually short in my replies to someone. The humanity!

    De-modded? I should be locked up for life. Won't someone think of the children?


  • #66
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I was actually short in my replies to someone. The humanity!
    That and the whole belabouring them about the head and face with suspicions of their eligibility for a siteban. I mean seriously, ban them and have done with it, or take it to PM, don't use it as an instrument to shut them up, especially when they actually seem to be contributing.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    De-modded? I should be locked up for life. Won't someone think of the children?
    In fairness, I didn't say anything about demodding. I'm a relative newcomer to politics, so I'm not sure how things roll over there yet, I've just never seen anything like that in the other forums I frequently hang around in (Property, Galway, AH, stammering, zombies and feedback). Once again, I'm not looking for conflict, if thats how things go in Politics, then thats the way it is - posters don't set the rules, they just play the game.


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  • #67
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    I agree with you that I should have just banned him.


  • #68
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I agree with you that I should have just banned him.
    Do you recall any of the usernames he was previously banned under, I wouldn't mind having a gander at them?


  • #69
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Yes, I remember them all, and when you're an admin or an S-mod I'll give you the information you need to second-guess my moderating.

    I notice my irony was lost on you.


  • #70
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Yes, I remember them all, and when you're an admin or an S-mod I'll give you the information you need to second-guess my moderating.
    And what a day that will be. Although given that I'll be withdrawing the phenomenally addictive yet flavourless narcotics that I've been lacing DeVore's weetabix with tomorrow evening, I'll talk to you on Tuesday. Until then, our nameless soap box orators shall have to remain so.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I notice my irony was lost on you.
    No, I just wanted to see if I'd get sitebanned for ignoring part of your post. :p


  • #71
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I have a limited amount of time in my day that I can investigate sh*t. If the OP is getting infracted all the time and it lead to him being banned I would look but frankly, if I investigated every infraction I'd never sleep. So I wont and since the op isnt banned I guess he hasnt been infracted too often for his delicate soul.

    This thread has 24 hours to live.

    DeV.


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  • #72
    paddybar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 203 ✭✭paddybar


    I,m relativly new to boards(which I love btw)and having viewed a lot of feedback it seems to me the op has a reasonable point and instead of addressing this dev has basically said f.u and supported the mod even though to most unbiased opinion he was in the wrong.I would bet that if the op was as snotty as the mod that sort of behavior would not be tolerated.We all know its not a democracy but how about a sense of fair play.


  • #73
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    paddybar You may want to check out the likes of thumped or p45rant quite soon.

    Mike.


  • #74
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    paddybar wrote: »
    I,m relativly new to boards(which I love btw)and having viewed a lot of feedback it seems to me the op has a reasonable point and instead of addressing this dev has basically said f.u and supported the mod even though to most unbiased opinion he was in the wrong.I would bet that if the op was as snotty as the mod that sort of behavior would not be tolerated.We all know its not a democracy but how about a sense of fair play.
    I'm sorry, I must have explained myself badly or you may not have read my previous posts on this thread.

    I have already reviewed and consider this case and I support the mod in this case.

    The conversation moved onto infractions in general when I was asked to explain them and I made a flippant comment about stopping people complaining about being infracted (which is pretty much the same as the Mod posting directly after the user in the thread, except that its traceable by other mods, its slightly more private and a bunch of them in a short time gets the user site banned until its reviewed by an admin).

    So, I then explained WHY I wont be investigating one off infractions (which I wont). I will investigate any abuse of the infraction system but clearly, and despite the OP's assertions to the contrary, that isnt the case here.

    By all means consider other sites, with other methods of Moderation. They are many and varied and will suit some people better then here, but don't arrive in May, and suddenly accuse me of bias mate. You dont know me from Adam.

    DeV.


  • #75
    marco murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,714 ✭✭✭marco murphy


    DeVore wrote: »
    They are warnings of unacceptible behaviour. I would have thought they have fairly clear labels. They are lesser rebukes then a ban and more obvious to the user then a post on a thread that they have just behaved unacceptibly.

    They also will auto ban a user who accumulates 10 of them in a short (~days) space of time. This allows a consensus of mods to ban a user if there isnt an SMod/Admin around, in cases of fairly serious emergency. I dont believe this has happened yet.

    There is no appeals process because they simply dont have much of a consequence.

    DeV.

    I would say they are there to keep a record more than anything else. If it comes to deciding ban or not to ban the record is there for all the infractions recieved. And +1, they are not a ban.

    It would be more of a worry if the OP was banned for the ''offences'' and ''Naughtyness''.


  • #76
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    DeVore wrote: »
    I have a limited amount of time in my day that I can investigate sh*t. If the OP is getting infracted all the time and it lead to him being banned I would look but frankly, if I investigated every infraction I'd never sleep. So I wont and since the op isnt banned I guess he hasnt been infracted too often for his delicate soul.

    This thread has 24 hours to live.

    DeV.

    wouldn't explaining boards.ie infractions in general save you a lot of time if that your only concern?


  • #77
    GuanYin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Infractions serve an important purpose in keeping track of troublemakers.

    I see it as a simple process

    Red card infraction with a ban.

    Yellow card with a warning.

    They certainly help me decide if someone deserves the benefit of the doubt.


  • #78
    paddybar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 203 ✭✭paddybar


    DeVore wrote: »
    I'm sorry, I must have explained myself badly or you may not have read my previous posts on this thread.

    I have already reviewed and consider this case and I support the mod in this case.

    The conversation moved onto infractions in general when I was asked to explain them and I made a flippant comment about stopping people complaining about being infracted (which is pretty much the same as the Mod posting directly after the user in the thread, except that its traceable by other mods, its slightly more private and a bunch of them in a short time gets the user site banned until its reviewed by an admin).

    So, I then explained WHY I wont be investigating one off infractions (which I wont). I will investigate any abuse of the infraction system but clearly, and despite the OP's assertions to the contrary, that isnt the case here.

    By all means consider other sites, with other methods of Moderation. They are many and varied and will suit some people better then here, but don't arrive in May, and suddenly accuse me of bias mate. You dont know me from Adam.

    DeV.

    A fair point.I did come in late on this but my comments were shaped by ob's snide (it seemed to me)attitude towards simplesam making a reasonable point in a reasonable manner.having re-read the whole post (and realising who you are*trembles in fear from your almighty wrath*)I shall now slink away and have myself flogged by midgets in bikini's using live haddock


  • #79
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    ;) Learning quickly.

    Mike.


  • #80
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Midgets in kilts pls.

    DeV.
    ps: LostExpectation, I DID explain them , on this thread. Read back.


  • #81
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    thread locked soon hopefully :)


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  • #82
    paddybar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 203 ✭✭paddybar


    DeVore wrote: »
    Midgets in kilts pls.

    DeV.
    ps: LostExpectation, I DID explain them , on this thread. Read back.


    as You speak it,so shall it be O Almighty One


  • #83
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    paddybar wrote: »
    as You speak it,so shall it be O Almighty One

    Lickass.


    :D
    /runs


  • #84
    paddybar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 203 ✭✭paddybar


    SteveC wrote: »
    Lickass.


    :D
    /runs
    when I come out of hiding(after the plastic surgery)I'll get you for that


  • #85
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


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  • #86
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Murphy's Corollary to Godwin's Law: As a thread tends towards lolcats, its value tends towards zero.


    DeV.


  • #87
    Bob the Builder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Bob the Builder


    DeVore wrote: »
    Murphy's Corollary to Godwin's Law: As a thread tends towards lolcats, its value tends towards zero.


    DeV.
    don't kill the thread yet, still four and a half hours left to live.:pac:


  • #88
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    nevf wrote: »
    don't kill the thread yet, still four and a half hours left to live.:pac:

    It would be a mercy killing imo.


  • #89
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    DeVore wrote: »
    Murphy's Corollary to Godwin's Law: As a thread tends towards lolcats, its value tends towards zero.


    DeV.

    I'd better up the standard of this thread fast!


    roflcopter.gif


  • #90
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    DeVore wrote: »
    Midgets in kilts pls.

    DeV.
    ps: LostExpectation, I DID explain them , on this thread. Read back.

    yes in this thread but you need to put a detailed explanation where its easily found.


    --

    so infractions can lead to bans but you can't appeal them.

    so again mods can never be wrong.


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  • #91
    Maximilian
    Legal Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Maximilian


    All that there is left now for this thread is pics.

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  • #92
    Sherifu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


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  • #93
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    I would also add that OB is not fit to moderate. He labelled me as Xenophobic and a terrorist supporter, when I am neither of which. I addressed him in a private message to discuss it and avoid cluttering the thread, and all he had to say is that he didn't want to talk about it. He is a moderator and if he makes such accusations, then he should at least allow me to discuss it with him.

    I've been attacked by him and had cheap remarks thrown at me by Moriarty over the time. I don't bother myself with it anymore, and I'm not going to both with the politics forum over there - because when my opinion is not valid, unless it agrees with their opinions.

    The fact that a poster is ridiculed for highlighting poor and biased moderation is a clear level of the maturing of the boards.ie moderation team. While many moderators are very cool, some let it go to their heads and do not abide by the same rules that they hand out infractions for.

    Moriarty gave me an infraction stating that I insulted someone, I checked the post and there was not one insult in it. It also seems to be in Republican related threads. But yet, I have no doubt he was not issued an infraction for a clear insult to me labelling me as a terrorist supporter.

    I've posted on here long enough to see how moderation works on here. I'd like fair and balanced moderation, but that's just not possible with people like OB and Moriarty around.


  • #94
    Sherifu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    That's all well and good dlofnep but if you expect us to make up our own minds you should provide links.


  • #95
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    Why does everything bad happen to Sinn Fein?


  • #96
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    dlofnep wrote: »
    He labelled me as Xenophobic and a terrorist supporter, when I am neither of which.
    I did not.


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  • #97
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    It's in the Ireland in the UK thread in politics. I was originally attacked by Moriarty in an attempt to gode me into a flame war. And it ensued from there. I opted out of the thread because OB tried to derail the original topic, as did Moriarty with cheap pops.

    The_Minister - I expect fair moderation to everyone on here, regardless of the political party that they support.

    I'm not going to continue to discuss this as I already know full well where it will go. I'll save my political opinions for a more open-minded forum, and stick to banter in other forums on here.


  • #98
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I did not.

    Yes, you did. You stated I was Xenophobic and that I was defending the IRA. I did not defend the IRA. I outlined that the deaths caused by them was disgusting, but you refused to take it onboard, and tried to veer off on your own agenda, despite me stating quite blankly that it was disgusting. In an attempt to contrast the differences between point blank shooting someone, and children dieing in a bomb attack - you then labelled me as defending the IRA - when it's quite abundantly clear that I do not support an armed campaign. And anyone that knows me on any of the other Republican forums know that I am quite vocal about my stance on it - but yet you continued to state that I was defending them in the most ignorant manner and refused to even begin to try and understand anything I was saying.

    You're not fit for moderation OB as you cannot fufil your position in an unbiased manner. I'm not going to discuss this further with you, because you'll launch a personal attack on me yet again and I'm not in the mood to continue entertaining attack on Republicans. Why is it that every single Republican I speak to about boards.ie mentions your name OB? I can't be the only one on here that feels they are being singled out by you. There's no smoke without fire. You dislike Republicans and it shows in your moderating.


  • #99
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Yes, you did. You stated I was Xenophobic...
    No, I said that what you said was xenophobic. I stand over that.
    ...and that I was defending the IRA. I did not defend the IRA. I outlined that the deaths caused by them was disgusting...
    ...and then qualified that by saying that you were sure they hadn't actually intended to cause those deaths.
    You're not fit for moderation OB as you cannot fufil your position in an unbiased manner. I'm not going to discuss this further with you, because you'll launch a personal attack on me yet again and I'm not in the mood to continue entertaining attack on Republicans.
    I didn't launch a personal attack, and I'm not doing it now. If you dislike having your opinions criticised, you're in the wrong place.


  • #100
    Ron DMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭Ron DMC


    You didn't label him directly as supporting terrorists or being xenophobic You mentioned that he had made a xenophobic rant (which he had).

    And I think it's Moriarty who mentioned him being a terrorist sympathiser (which is far from being a terrorist supporter).

    Spot on moderating from what I've just read. All statements made by OB and Moriarty were accurate.

    The politics forum is always going to have a few people complaining about moderators due to the nature of the forum, but I haven't seen anything that warrants anyone's dismissal as Moderator.


  • #101
    justsomebloke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    Links or it didn't happen


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