Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread [mod warning #11145, #32140 (see OP)]

Paul Tergat · 05-11-2009 03:23PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

in fairness P_Larkin, Lucas has been far more impressive than Anderson for the last number of months & at less than a third the price. And Insua is definately ahead of your brazilian twosome in his development-at the moment, far superior imo.

I will grudgingly agree that Lucas has found that consistency that Anderson hasn't had but I think that Ando has more to his game. I think he offers a good bit more than Lucas and I dont think the price is really that relevant when comparing 2 players who are first team/squad players.

On Insua I dont agree at all. I think they are at a similar level. I think the only reason that Rafael hasnt played a few more games this season is due to injury. IMO Rafael already looks a bit more polished than Insua (perhaps my bias here) and Fabio needs more games to show what he can do. The fact though that Insua is a first team regular and Raf is arguably first choice speaks volumes of the limitations that Benitez has though

whatawaster · 05-11-2009 03:24PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, you have him 8/10 and I'm clueless? :eek:

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Exactly, i dont care what the excuse is, he would never get near those teams!!!

Oh i grasp the injury thing alright, what you dont seem to grasp is he has been in our starting 11 since the start of the season, i dont care what the excuse is!

We'll never win the prem with players like him, he has an average game and everyone in here is singing his praises!!!

Wtf are you on about? I’m well aware he’s played every game.

Will you PLEASE answer my question: How many more points do you think we’d have if Alonso was in the team instead of him?

Xavi6 · 05-11-2009 03:25PM

If you want to discuss another site then do it by PM or elsewhere. It is derailing the thread.

If you aren't happy posting here then off you go tbh, but don't go thread spoiling on your way out.

Melion · 05-11-2009 03:25PM

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Exactly, i dont care what the excuse is, he would never get near those teams!!!

Oh i grasp the injury thing alright, what you dont seem to grasp is he has been in our starting 11 since the start of the season, i dont care what the excuse is!

We'll never win the prem with players like him, he has an average game and everyone in here is singing his praises!!!

Were you dropped as a child or something?
He has been in our starting 11 this season because Aquilani isnt fit, who would you rather have in there? Spearing or Plessis???

He has played brilliant this season and i think has played himself in front of Mascherano to partner Aquilani in our first choice midfield.

Paul Tergat · 05-11-2009 03:26PM

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Exactly, i dont care what the excuse is, he would never get near those teams!!!

Oh i grasp the injury thing alright, what you dont seem to grasp is he has been in our starting 11 since the start of the season, i dont care what the excuse is!

We'll never win the prem with players like him, he has an average game and everyone in here is singing his praises!!!

The embolded parts is a massive flaw on your part. Things need to be put into context.

mayordenis · 05-11-2009 03:32PM

The "excuse" is he's a very good footballer.

Melion · 05-11-2009 03:33PM

mayordenis wrote: »

The "excuse" is he's a very good footballer.

Stop making sense in here, its frowned upon

whatawaster · 05-11-2009 03:40PM

Fink i hope you're not avoiding my question?

Fink Goddie · 05-11-2009 03:42PM

Melion wrote: »

Were you dropped as a child or something?

Its a conversation, why get personal???

mayordenis wrote: »

The "excuse" is he's a very good footballer.

No he's not.

flahavaj · 05-11-2009 04:02PM

With regards to Insua Vs the da Silva twins, certainly Insua has had more first team opportunities, probably due to there being less competition in his position at Liverpool.

Rafael has Brown, O' Shea and Neville above him in the pecking order, while on the other side Evra and O'Shea would be ahead of Fabio at LB. Insua only has Aurelio as competition and has gotten a good bit of game time due hto his unavailability early in the seasonand his deployment in other parts of the pitch.

Also the Brazilians are a little younger in age.

While its always very difficult to tell how good a kid is gonna be at such a young age they look amazing prospects and I'm prpbably as excited about them as I have been for any young player since the days of the golden generation.

While Insua has looked decent at times, the more games he gets the more his flaws are being exposed.

I'd be confident enough that the Brazilian lads will turn out better players than he (just an opinion mind you).

whatawaster · 05-11-2009 04:07PM

flahavaj wrote: »

While Insua has looked decent at times, the more games he gets the more his flaws are being exposed.

It's likely that the more Rafael and Fabio are picked the more their flaws (they will have them) will be exposed too. That's what tends to happen with young defenders.

Indeed young players in general often look very good when first in the team, but then they have a rut and an up and down couple of years before the reach a high level.
I think this even happened with Rooney. Burst onto scene, had a little lull, but by the time Euro 2004 and his move to utd came around he'd got well back on track

flahavaj · 05-11-2009 04:12PM

Ah of course naturally.

Basically it boils down to Alan's Insua>da Silva's statement.

I don't really agree with that.

I certainly wouldn't swap either of the Brazilian boys for Insua anyway, not in a million years.

kida · 05-11-2009 04:16PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Ah of course naturally.

Basically it boils down to Alan's Insua>da Silva's statement.

I don't really agree with that.

I certainly wouldn't swap either of the Brazilian boys for Insua anyway, not in a million years.

Insuas main problem is IMO pace and its not something that can be improved on by much

The Muppet · 05-11-2009 04:16PM

p_larkin99 wrote: »

The embolded parts is a massive flaw on your part. Things need to be put into context.

There's no need to be taking quotes out of context to be hammering anyone. The notion that doing so puts anything in context is laughable, Play fair.

Exactly, i dont care what the excuse is, he would never get near those teams!!!

Oh i grasp the injury thing alright, what you dont seem to grasp is he has been in our starting 11 since the start of the season, i dont care what the excuse is!

whatawaster · 05-11-2009 04:22PM

kida wrote: »

Insuas main problem is IMO pace and its not something that can be improved on by much

His main problem is positioning. Defenders don't need to be lightning if they are in the right place from the start.
Quick wingers make him look slow, but he's not THAT slow, he's just about average i'd say

SlickRic · 05-11-2009 04:34PM

this is genius.

i really thought the one thing we wouldn't be able to argue about last night is lucas.

though he wasn't brilliant by any means, once again, he was our best midfielder. like he has been 75% of the time this year for us. and remember, he's our 3rd choice midfielder.

he can be a bit safe at times, absolutely, but let's not blame him on anywhere near the same level as voronin. please. especially on this season's evidence.

Paul Tergat · 05-11-2009 05:05PM

The Muppet wrote: »

There's no need to be taking quotes out of context to be hammering anyone. The notion that doing so puts anything in context is laughable, Play fair.

My main point is anyone who says 'i dont care what the excuse is' isnt going to have a fair and true reflection on something. These 'excuses' will show why Lucas is getting games and why they signed him in the first place. Thats all.

noodler · 05-11-2009 05:15PM

Lucas played well last night.

NukaCola · 05-11-2009 05:17PM

Lucas? Again? Cant we have a decent discussion about Liverpool FC without the usual wind up merchants coming on the thread taking the piss, its getting unbearable at this stage.....

K-9 · 05-11-2009 05:28PM

SlickRic wrote: »

this is genius.

i really thought the one thing we wouldn't be able to argue about last night is lucas.

though he wasn't brilliant by any means, once again, he was our best midfielder. like he has been 75% of the time this year for us. and remember, he's our 3rd choice midfielder.

he can be a bit safe at times, absolutely, but let's not blame him on anywhere near the same level as voronin. please. especially on this season's evidence.

BumbleBee123 wrote: »

Lucas? Again? Cant we have a decent discussion about Liverpool FC without the usual wind up merchants coming on the thread taking the piss, its getting unbearable at this stage.....

Don't know why he gets such stick. As somebody pointed out earlier he's probably just about as good as Fletcher at that age. He isn't a sublime passer like Alonso, but very few are.

The focus should be on players like Masch and Kuyt who aren't doing it this year, more senior and experienced players.

tok9 · 05-11-2009 05:35PM

SlickRic wrote: »

this is genius.

i really thought the one thing we wouldn't be able to argue about last night is lucas.

though he wasn't brilliant by any means, once again, he was our best midfielder. like he has been 75% of the time this year for us. and remember, he's our 3rd choice midfielder.

he can be a bit safe at times, absolutely, but let's not blame him on anywhere near the same level as voronin. please. especially on this season's evidence.

Lucas will always be the main point of every liverpool match he plays in. Its ridiculous really but for some reason people really hate him. Those same people will keep saying he is rubbish even if he plays brilliant. He had another good game last nite and was unlucky not to get on the scoresheet.

Dont be at yourself · 05-11-2009 05:37PM

It's reminiscent of Dirk Kuyt - he got slated after every match season after season, before people started to accept that he was an integral part of the team.

K-9 · 05-11-2009 05:43PM

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

It's reminiscent of Dirk Kuyt - he got slated after every match season after season, before people started to accept that he was an integral part of the team.

Saying Insua isn't good enough to get near the first team is another one I laughed at.

Sir Gallagher · 05-11-2009 05:49PM

K-9 wrote: »

Saying Insua isn't good enough to get near the first team is another one I laughed at.

He's a squad player in my eyes, definately a position that needs looking at, I have my concerns about Insua and Aurelios defensive capabilities on the other hand i like both players' attacking play.

Glico Man · 05-11-2009 05:56PM

Didn't see this posted so I thought I might as well

Aldo: Rafa's the man
Club unstable enough without sacking Spaniard

Despite Liverpool's desperate start to the season John Aldridge still believes manager Rafa Benitez is the right man for the job.

John Aldridge

The Reds' hopes of qualifying for the knockout stages of the Champions League are now out of their hands following Lyon's late leveller on Wednesday night. They now have to hope Lyon do them a favour and come away from Florence with at least a point.

Having already suffered eight defeats this campaign the knives are out for Benitez.However, Liverpool legend Aldridge still supports the Spaniard, and insists that a change of manager would destabilise the club even further.

Speaking to Sky Sports News, Aldridge stated that the fans are still behind Benitez. "Liverpool fans aren't as fickle as most," he said. "They don't press the panic button. There's enough uncertainty around the club with the owner, the debt and the new stadium. The last thing you need is to be going out looking for a new manager.

"Rafa Benitez hasn't turned into a bad manager overnight. The pressure is on, but I'm fairly confident that when they get the likes of Steven Gerrard back after the international break, they have a squad good enough to go on a good run and move into the top four, and hopefully get six points in the Champions League and progress."

Lopez late show

Liverpool only came away with a point from their trip to France, despite dominating proceedings. Substitute Ryan Babel's long range stunner looked to have secured a vital victory for the visitors, only for Lisandro Lopez to strike seconds from the final whistle.

"It went to plan brilliantly until the 90th minute," said Aldridge, who scored 63 goals for the club. "They played well, defended well, there was no real threat apart from when they scored. To drop their guard and concede so soon after scoring was very disappointing.

"The door was open for Liverpool to progress and then all of a sudden it was slammed in their face. It was strange the way it happened. Fernando Torres goes off, which takes away a bit of attacking threat. That gives Cris the licence to go forward and all of a sudden you've a different threat; he's very good in the air.

"Kyrgiakos got a little too close, Cris got a flick on and it was a tremendous finish. Liverpool just got caught out. That can happen because the lads put a lot of effort into it. A lack of concentration just caught them out. You have to give Lyon credit for that."

Hope
Liverpool now need to win their final two group games, starting at home to Debrecen, and hope that Lyon can get a result away to Fiorentina. It's a big ask, but it's a situation they're familiar with in this competition.

"It happened in 2005 and 2007; is a hat trick asking too much?" asked Aldridge. "Law of averages says you can't keep going to the well. Lyon will go to Fiorentina looking to win the group, as it gives them a favourable draw in the knockout stages. If they can do so it's in Liverpool's own hands.

"They should been Debrecen as they're the whipping boys, which would leave them needing to beat Fiorentina by more than two goals. They'd settle for that at the moment."

Good to see that Aldo supports him. I'd trust his judgement a helluva lot more than Ronnie "rafa's rubbish and he spent a load of money" Whelan

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_5675823,00.html

Tusky · 05-11-2009 06:11PM

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

It's reminiscent of Dirk Kuyt - he got slated after every match season after season, before people started to accept that he was an integral part of the team.

Ah come on now. He got slated because he was playing awful for a long time. He picked us his game and become and integral part of the team. However, he has been very disappointing this season, apart from a few bright performances early on. Its pretty evident that he needs top players around him to perform and struggles when they are injured.

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

He's a squad player in my eyes, definately a position that needs looking at, I have my concerns about Insua and Aurelios defensive capabilities on the other hand i like both players' attacking play.

Maybe at the moment he should be a squad player, but I think he will be a quality player in a few years. Lets not forget he has been playing in the reserves for his entire Liverpool career. It will take him a while to adjust to playing with the big boys.

kida · 05-11-2009 06:15PM

The Times say min of 10M loss of revenue if they don't make CL knock outs
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6903912.ece

or Liverpool, the situation is made even worse by the fact that the club do not appear financially robust enough to be able to cope with such setbacks without further questions being asked of their future on and off the pitch.

The best-case scenario is that they would lose — or, more accurately, fail to earn — about £10 million of what they budget to make annually from the Champions League by failing to make it into the last 16.

missingtime · 05-11-2009 06:22PM

Been away for a bit....glad to see nothing's changed.

I'm a sad panda that Liverpool are underperforming with or without injuries though. Cant really see us getting any funds from Santa either.

Very sad panda

Handsome Bob · 05-11-2009 06:27PM

aaronh007 wrote: »

Didn't see this posted so I thought I might as well

Good to see that Aldo supports him. I'd trust his judgement a helluva lot more than Ronnie "rafa's rubbish and he spent a load of money" Whelan

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_5675823,00.html

If only Whelan saw this, he should hang his head in shame. He's nothing more than a chancer trying to position himself into the role of resident sour puss on RTE's panel once Dunphy hangs up his mic. It said it all when Bill started the show with Whelan last night instead of with Giles or Dunphy. It gave me a good chuckle though because Dunphy was even more of a chancer than usual in order to keep the usurper to his throne Whelan at bay!

SlickRic · 05-11-2009 07:08PM

aaronh007 wrote: »

Good to see that Aldo supports him. I'd trust his judgement a helluva lot more than Ronnie "rafa's rubbish and he spent a load of money" Whelan

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_5675823,00.html

although i lean more towards aldridge than whelan myself, to say you'd trust Aldo over Whelan is purely because he supports Rafa like you do. (i.e. nothing to do with their respective football knowledge).

but i agree, good man john, especially seen as it seems to be the in-thing in the media to want Rafa sacked. i've seen too many articles calling for it, or at least strongly hinting at it, at this stage. i struggle to think of any other boss so vilified. honestly.

Mr Alan · 05-11-2009 07:54PM

i trust Aldo cause when he talks about football, he seems to know what he is talking about in general terms, does not regularly seem to be stumped for basic knowledge on the game & does not have an pre-existing hatred of Rafa & modern football in general.

Mr Alan · 05-11-2009 07:56PM

SlickRic wrote: »

i struggle to think of any other boss so vilified. honestly.

Rafa is not liked by the media.
He refuses to play the game they want him to & he refuses to lick their hole.

A lot of the articles about Rafa are more like personal attacks against the man. Its also a lot to do with the fact that he is Spanish & managing one of their institutional clubs ahead of British heads. And its also a lot to do with the north/south divide in England.

On the Sunday Supplement on SS the other week they had 4 chief football writers for some of the major papers in England & they openly admitted they don't like him as a man cause he refuses to play their media games.

SlickRic · 05-11-2009 07:59PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

they don't like him as a man cause he refuses to play their media games.

it is going to get him sacked.

that's a horrible inditement on the power of the media, but i can see it happening.

raven136 · 05-11-2009 08:28PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Rafa is not liked by the media.
He refuses to play the game they want him to & he refuses to lick their hole.

A lot of the articles about Rafa are more like personal attacks against the man. Its also a lot to do with the fact that he is Spanish & managing one of their institutional clubs ahead of British heads. And its also a lot to do with the north/south divide in England.

On the Sunday Supplement on SS the other week they had 4 chief football writers for some of the major papers in England & they openly admitted they don't like him as a man cause he refuses to play their media games.

but there are journo's out there who are fans of rafa and they loudly let it be known.Oliver Kay,marcotti,Alison Rudd,Tony Evans,ETC.Granted they all seem to work for the same newspaper:D

I dodnt see the sunday supplement,anyone got any exact quotes from the show.

The Muppet · 05-11-2009 08:29PM

SlickRic wrote: »

it is going to get him sacked.

that's a horrible inditement on the power of the media, but i can see it happening.

I'd imagine results and poor squad players will be more of a factor if he is sacked.

Rafa did a lot of moaning in the media in past, most of which turned out to be untrue, they appear to have seen through him at this stage.

The Media may be a factor if he's dismissed but not the main reason.

Mr Alan · 05-11-2009 08:32PM

people here talk about the famed Liverpool Way.

does that incl forgetting about 4 years great work cause of 8 bad games which coincide with the worst injury crisis at the club in modern times?

My ****ing arse it does.

Muppet;all mangers moan about **** to the press, every single one.most of what they say is nonsense most of the time.

The Muppet · 05-11-2009 08:42PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

people here talk about the famed Liverpool Way.

does that incl forgetting about 4 years great work cause of 8 bad games which coincide with the worst injury crisis at the club in modern times?

My ****ing arse it does.

Muppet;all mangers moan about **** to the press, every single one.most of what they say is nonsense most of the time.

Yeah AL but do you not think he was silly to moan about things that were easy to show as untrue, that has really dented his credibility IMO.

The injuries to Gerrard and Torres are certainly a factor in the poor results but th fact there is no suitable replacement for either is another poor reflection on Rafa IMO. Playing Torres when injured is understandable given the situation but it's a poor decision in the longer term, he's likely to miss/be ineffective in a lot more games than he should.

Mr Alan · 05-11-2009 08:43PM

i can only think of one thing he moaned about that was stupid.

most of the rest i've always agreed with.

Mental Mickey · 05-11-2009 08:48PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Yeah AL but do you not think he was silly to moan about things that were easy to show as untrue, that has really dented his credibility IMO.

The injuries to Gerrard and Torres are certainly a factor in the poor results but th fact there is no suitable replacement for either is another poor reflection on Rafa IMO. Playing Torres when injured is understandable given the situation but it's a poor decision in the longer term, he's likely to miss/be ineffective in a lot more games than he should.

Totally agree with this.

citytillidie · 05-11-2009 08:55PM

Ok so Liverpool lose £10M if they do not make it to the last 16 of the Champions league but how much would they get in the Europa league?

Mr Alan · 05-11-2009 08:56PM

actually being 100% totally honest not being able to afford to buy top quality backups or pay top wages for the back ups in our squad, especially for 2 of the top players in the world who will always play when fit is far more to do with our custodians & the financial situation at the club than it is to do with the manager.

Sir Gallagher · 05-11-2009 08:59PM

The Muppet wrote: »

Yeah AL but do you not think he was silly to moan about things that were easy to show as untrue, that has really dented his credibility IMO.

The injuries to Gerrard and Torres are certainly a factor in the poor results but th fact there is no suitable replacement for either is another poor reflection on Rafa IMO. Playing Torres when injured is understandable given the situation but it's a poor decision in the longer term, he's likely to miss/be ineffective in a lot more games than he should.

Exactly why he took Torres off early against Fulham and he got absolutely slated for it, it's just a case of damned if he does damned if he doesn't, he's in a no win situation, perfect material for the vultures out there.

Mr Alan · 05-11-2009 08:59PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Ok so Liverpool lose £10M if they do not make it to the last 16 of the Champions league but how much would they get in the Europa league?

i knew that 10m figure stank.

here's the breakdown of the money involved in the CL

Champions League 2008/2009 – 2009/2010
Group Stage (fixed): €5.4m – €7.1m
Group Stage Victory: €600k – €800k
Group Stage Draw: €300k – €400k
Round of 16: €2.2m – €3m
Quarterfinal: €2.5m – €3.3m
Semifinal: €3m – €4m
Losing Finalist: €4m – €5.2m
Winner: €7m – €9m
Theoretical Maximum: €23.7m – €31.2m

SlickRic · 05-11-2009 09:02PM

The Muppet wrote: »

I'd imagine results and poor squad players will be more of a factor if he is sacked.

Rafa did a lot of moaning in the media in past, most of which turned out to be untrue, they appear to have seen through him at this stage.

The Media may be a factor if he's dismissed but not the main reason.

constant negativity in the press does not help.

of course results will have more of an impact, you'd hope so anyway.

but in a run of poor form like this, when injuries aren't helping, negative media heightens the pressure.

i mean, even last year, when he lead us on the run to challenging hard for the title, after the steady progression of the previous 3 years, he still could barely do any right. people still yapped about selling keane, the rant, etc. he got barely any credit at all.

yet this season he's jumped on after a run of dodgy results, with it being constantly reported that it's only a matter of time before he's sacked.

as i say, take stock at the end of the season. nobody else is going to do better between now and the end of the season. he's our best chance of a top 4 finish still. unless we get Hiddink or Capello of course.

daithijjj · 05-11-2009 09:07PM

I dont really see why people are expressing their angst towards insua today in this thread. He never played for boca but he won the u-20 world cup with argentina and was great in that tournament aged 18.

Gary ablett said he wasnt ready, aurelio gets injured as per usual, and insua comes in and does a great job, especially away at arsenal. The boss spent 7 mil on an italian salami which was wasted money.

I saw him get alot of flak after the fulham game, for what?, we had 74% possession in that game?, insua wasnt the problem. He is still very young and learning how to play football on a different continent. I like the way he plays personally, hes liverpool 'old school' style, attacking is the best form of defence. Just got his first goal for the club, a cracker i might add. For a 20 year old born on the other side of the planet he has done very well overall. I think he may need a rest but while dossena is completely woeful and aurelio is made of wet paper tissues, he is our most consistant and talented option. He lacks a bit of pace but he makes up for it in my eyes with ambition. The squad is a better one with him in it, you cant ask more of him at this stage of his career.

JPA · 05-11-2009 09:08PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

i knew that 10m figure stank.

here's the breakdown of the money involved in the CL

Champions League 2008/2009 – 2009/2010
Group Stage (fixed): €5.4m – €7.1m
Group Stage Victory: €600k – €800k
Group Stage Draw: €300k – €400k
Round of 16: €2.2m – €3m
Quarterfinal: €2.5m – €3.3m
Semifinal: €3m – €4m
Losing Finalist: €4m – €5.2m
Winner: €7m – €9m
Theoretical Maximum: €23.7m – €31.2m

That's just prize money, does not include increased sponsorship or TV money.

Europa league money is **** in comparison.

Mr Alan · 05-11-2009 09:11PM

my understanding is that the other monies that is paid out is split between all the teams in the CL? which obviously we'd still get cause we're in it? could be wrong there though.

the money for the Uefa Cup is ****e alright....

UEFA Cup/Europa League 2008/2009 – 2009/2010
Group Stage (fixed): €115k – €900k
Group Stage Victory: €40k – €120k
Group Stage Draw: €20k – €60k
Round of 32: €70k – €180k
Round of 16: €70k – €270k
Quarterfinal: €300k – €360k
Semifinal: €600k – €630k
Losing Finalist: €1.5m – €2m
Winner: €2.5m – €3m
Theoretical Maximum: €3.815m – €6.06m

Headshot · 05-11-2009 09:14PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

my understanding is that the other monies that is paid out is split between all the teams in the CL? which obviously we'd still get cause we're in it? could be wrong there though.

the money for the Uefa Cup is ****e alright....

UEFA Cup/Europa League 2008/2009 – 2009/2010
Group Stage (fixed): €115k – €900k
Group Stage Victory: €40k – €120k
Group Stage Draw: €20k – €60k
Round of 32: €70k – €180k
Round of 16: €70k – €270k
Quarterfinal: €300k – €360k
Semifinal: €600k – €630k
Losing Finalist: €1.5m – €2m
Winner: €2.5m – €3m
Theoretical Maximum: €3.815m – €6.06m

Alan will ye lose out on sponsorship money too ?

citytillidie · 05-11-2009 09:16PM

JPA wrote: »

That's just prize money, does not include increased sponsorship or TV money.

Europa league money is **** in comparison.

Maybe so but its still money lower prices for the games and get a bigger crowd.

Just a pity the year Liverpool get a bigger share of tv money they go out early

Mr Alan · 05-11-2009 09:16PM

not sure tbh.

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