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Irish Red Cross vs Blogger

  • 30-08-2010 3:14pm
    #1
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    Has anyone clued into this????

    Noel Wardick, who is Head of International Department has been writing an anonymous blog detailing mismanagement and lack of governance here:

    http://governancereformatirishredcross.blogspot.com/

    The more you dig into this the more it utterly STINKS.

    Prime Time did a piece on it last night (you can watch it here: http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1079280)


    Now, here's a twist. I grew up for most of my childhood and early adulthood with Noel Wardick.

    I cannot, hand on heart, think of a more upstanding, honest person. Noel is painfully honest and lives his life straight down the line. It doesnt surprise me that he would blow the whistle where he felt things were awry.

    This begins to get "Father Ted"esque, when they get to the bit about 150K "sitting in an account in Tipperary". Noel has blown the whistle on this typically Irish mess (the sec gen gets paid 160k a year and they have been running at a deficit for those years?! Remind you of anyone?). Because he's got balls to call things as they are, Noel has been suspended from his position. Watch that Prime Time and tell me the entire thing doesnt STINK.


    This is Noel, in the "field" in Niger, working with people. Watch it and tell me that he's a malcontent or a trouble maker... As long as I've known him Noel has helped other people, since we were 7.
    This is an honest whistleblower and the very kind of person we NEED DESPERATELY in this country and he's now suspended and being sued.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7bOxn3C23Y



    I'm so angry about this I dont know what to do.



    DeV.


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  • #2
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    We do need some kind of whistleblower's charter with proper legal protection here. For this case, though, I can't imagine anything other than a public campaign will work - leave aside any judgement on whether what Noel is saying is factually correct, but just say what you've said above - here he is, this is the kind of guy he is, this is what's happening. The Irish Red Cross would not be comfortable with such a campaign in the run-up to Christmas - and if their handling of funds really is as bad as claimed, such a campaign will hopefully cure more than it harms in the longer run.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #3
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I'm trying to contact him now, we lost touch when he moved to live in Africa as an aid worker. I mean, the guy is a qualified chartered accountant, could be creaming it here and instead he went to work as an aid worker and foreign liason etc.

    The prime time thing made me sick. The minister ducked the issue more then Mike Tyson ducked punches. Typical abandonment of responsibility.

    The woman from the IRC looked EXTREMELY uncomfortable saying some of the things she had been "briefed" to say (by her own admission) and the chairman wouldnt talk to RTE??! WTF?

    I'm so depressed about the state of Ireland and this is just so typical. There are "financial irregularities" in a major Irish charity and the only bloke who is willing to stand up and say "something is rotten in the state of Denmark".... is getting hung out to dry by the cronies.

    DeV.


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    Permabear
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  • #5
    LostinBlanch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    DeVore wrote: »
    The woman from the IRC looked EXTREMELY uncomfortable saying some of the things she had been "briefed" to say (by her own admission) and the chairman wouldnt talk to RTE??! WTF?

    I saw the primetime interview with that Red Cross woman, and she came accross very badly. Especially that bit when she was asked why the chief executive wasn't available for interview. I'm paraphrasing the interview from memory but the dodgiest bit for me went something like this.

    RTE: "Where is the chief executive?"
    Her: "He's on holiday."
    RTE: "But he's in the office."
    Her: "He was on holiday until yesterday."
    RTE: "But he's in the office now."
    Her: "He was on holiday until yesterday."

    Now it sounds like she was bounced into it by the powers that be in the Red Cross. I was also very concerned to hear about the Tsunami money that was off in an account in Tipperary instead of being spent helping the victims.

    Noel Wardick came across very well, especially when he was talking about the waste that was going on regarding the Pakistan earthquake when he was instructed to purchase blankets in Ireland at €12 each and spend an extra €30,000 on transporting them to Pakistan instead of purchasing them locally at €3 each as the International Red Cross recommended. I'm sure the more cynical may find themselves wondering were there any links between the Red Cross and whoever ended supplying the blankets here. If there were that would be a major concern.


  • #6
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Thats another thing I was wondering about too....

    DeV.


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  • #7
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Noel Wardick came across very well, especially when he was talking about the waste that was going on regarding the Pakistan earthquake when he was instructed to purchase blankets in Ireland at €12 each and spend an extra €30,000 on transporting them to Pakistan instead of purchasing them locally at €3 each as the International Red Cross recommended. I'm sure the more cynical may find themselves wondering were there any links between the Red Cross and whoever ended supplying the blankets here.

    It is also possible that the Irish Red Cross just made a decision to spend money in Ireland. That's not really their mandate, though.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #8
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    At 4 times the cost plus 30K shipping, its a very poor decision if so. Its poor enough to question the capabilities of the person responsible.

    It seems that "questioning" gets you suspended there. Not a healthy climate for any company.... and a truely AWFUL one for a charity!

    DeV.


  • #9
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    The Irish Red Cross has been a disaster for years and it appears that there has been a clique in there dictating how things are done.

    They have had an imminent board/council members resign after stating that any negative comments have been removed from minutes of meetings, there was a revolt in 1999 by staff, there have been numerous chieft executives coming and quickly going.

    What we got out of last weeks program was that one decent guy has had enough and started spilling the beans and when the powers that be found out they suspend him and are probably going to shaft him.

    The other thing that came out of the program is that no one should give them a penny, as they would rather waste money by buying blankets in Ireland than cheaper in Pakistan and would rather leave the money sitting in a bank account in Tipperary than help those it was raised for.

    We had the standard waffle from the Red Cross spokeswoman that they were implementing changes over the last 5 or ten years.
    How f***ing long does it take ?

    We had the minister who proivides over a million euro in funds to the body, appoints board members, chairperson, etc claiming it is nothing to do with him and it is upto the International Red Cross.
    Of course that is par for the course where our ministers and top officals wash their hands of things and meekly just carry on.

    Just remove all state funding as of now and demand that they clean up the system by starting with full independent enquiry.
    Also remove the jobs for the boys by limiting time a person can stay on any of the boards/councils.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #10
    Diom
    Registered Users Posts: 438 ✭✭Diom


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    It is also possible that the Irish Red Cross just made a decision to spend money in Ireland. That's not really their mandate, though.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Of course it is possible, in fact that was what I assumed would be the case when I heard that fact. It should be investigated though, as if there is any connection then it is a horrible mis-use of funds.
    Even if it is the more innocent explanation of trying to prop up their local economy, it is case of mis-use of funds. They have to try to put their funds to the best use to help the people that they purport to be helping.


  • #11
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    jmayo wrote: »
    The Irish Red Cross has been a disaster for years and it appears that there has been a clique in there dictating how things are done.

    They have had an imminent board/council members resign after stating that any negative comments have been removed from minutes of meetings, there was a revolt in 1999 by staff, there have been numerous chieft executives coming and quickly going.

    What we got out of last weeks program was that one decent guy has had enough and started spilling the beans and when the powers that be found out they suspend him and are probably going to shaft him.

    The other thing that came out of the program is that no one should give them a penny, as they would rather waste money by buying blankets in Ireland than cheaper in Pakistan and would rather leave the money sitting in a bank account in Tipperary than help those it was raised for.

    We had the standard waffle from the Red Cross spokeswoman that they were implementing changes over the last 5 or ten years.
    How f***ing long does it take ?

    We had the minister who proivides over a million euro in funds to the body, appoints board members, chairperson, etc claiming it is nothing to do with him and it is upto the International Red Cross.
    Of course that is par for the course where our ministers and top officals wash their hands of things and meekly just carry on.

    Just remove all state funding as of now and demand that they clean up the system by starting with full independent enquiry.
    Also remove the jobs for the boys by limiting time a person can stay on any of the boards/councils.

    Some background material:

    http://governancereformatirishredcross.blogspot.com/2010/08/sunday-times-1st-august-2010-carries.html

    http://www.thepost.ie/story/ojauqlojau/

    http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2009-06-23.115.0

    http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2010-01-20.446.0

    I see the government appoints 14 members, but is "precluded from becoming involved in the internal day-to-day running of the organisation".

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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  • #12
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Diom wrote: »
    Of course it is possible, in fact that was what I assumed would be the case when I heard that fact. It should be investigated though, as if there is any connection then it is a horrible mis-use of funds.
    Even if it is the more innocent explanation of trying to prop up their local economy, it is case of mis-use of funds. They have to try to put their funds to the best use to help the people that they purport to be helping.

    I'd agree entirely - and if such a decision was the result of any political pressure from the government, then the government is not respecting the independence of the Red Cross. It's not necessary for there to be a corrupt connection for it to be an issues.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #13
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    It is also possible that the Irish Red Cross just made a decision to spend money in Ireland. That's not really their mandate, though.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    An optimistic view that perhaps they believe in buying Irish ehh ?
    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Some background material:

    http://governancereformatirishredcross.blogspot.com/2010/08/sunday-times-1st-august-2010-carries.html

    http://www.thepost.ie/story/ojauqlojau/

    http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2009-06-23.115.0

    http://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2010-01-20.446.0

    I see the government appoints 14 members, but is "precluded from becoming involved in the internal day-to-day running of the organisation".

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Yes I am aware that there are meant to be autonomous statutorily independent free from political interference and the International Red Cross view this as being very important.
    But as jimmy Denihan asked in one of those debates, doesn't it concern the minister (willie o'dea in that case) that the irish Red Cross is poorly run and yet getting over 1 milion in state funds.

    Here is interesting question.
    Is there anything in the statutes that prohibits the minister from withdrawing funding at his discretion ?

    That way the minister could indeed put pressure on them to clean up their act.

    Of course once again, state funds can be wasted, by some organisation that is outside the ministers control.

    In this case of course the Red Cross would not be seen as some johnny come lately quangoe.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #14
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    It doesn't seem to have sufficiently concerned any minister to the extent that they did anything. Vague noises and thats about it.


  • #15
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    jmayo wrote: »
    An optimistic view that perhaps they believe in buying Irish ehh ?



    Yes I am aware that there are meant to be autonomous statutorily independent free from political interference and the International Red Cross view this as being very important.
    But as jimmy Denihan asked in one of those debates, doesn't it concern the minister (willie o'dea in that case) that the irish Red Cross is poorly run and yet getting over 1 milion in state funds.

    Here is interesting question.
    Is there anything in the statutes that prohibits the minister from withdrawing funding at his discretion ?

    That way the minister could indeed put pressure on them to clean up their act.

    Of course once again, state funds can be wasted, by some organisation that is outside the ministers control.

    In this case of course the Red Cross would not be seen as some johnny come lately quangoe.

    The more I look at it, the more "day-to-day running" is a piece of obvious weaselling. The powers of the Minister in respect of the Red Cross are not small:
    (2) The Government may by the establishment order make provision in relation to all or any of the following matters, that is to say:—


    ( a ) the powers of the Society;


    ( b ) the organization of the Society;


    ( c ) the management and administration of the affairs of the Society by a governing body;


    ( d ) the delegation to such governing body of the power to make rules for the Society;


    ( e ) the holding of annual and other meetings of the Society;


    ( f ) the finances and accounts of the Society;


    ( g ) any other matters in relation to the Society in respect of which it appears to the Government desirable and proper that provision should be made.


    (3) The Government may, whenever and so often as they think fit, by order under this sub-section amend (whether by addition, omission, or variation) the establishment order or any order under this sub-section.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1938/en/act/pub/0032/print.html

    Nor does having a third of the board members and the chairman as political appointees instil any confidence that there is no political interference. It would certainly not be in any sense unusual for the Irish branch of an international body to have been captured by the local political class.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #16
    Nehaxak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Nehaxak


    DeVore wrote: »
    Now, here's a twist. I grew up for most of my childhood and early adulthood with Noel Wardick.

    I cannot, hand on heart, think of a more upstanding, honest person. Noel is painfully honest and lives his life straight down the line. It doesnt surprise me that he would blow the whistle where he felt things were awry.

    I worked with Noel myself in Ethiopia a good numbers of years back, when he was with another NGO, top bloke, nice guy, hard working and a kind heart - that and we enjoyed our fresh pints in Fukaroo's after work when they ever managed to get a keg in :D

    Fair play to him imo.


  • #17
    Earthhorse
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Prime Time did a piece on it last night (you can watch it here: http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1079280)

    An interesting, and worrying, report. Unfortunately, it does not surprise me one bit. And given that these problems appear to have been going on for over two decades without redress I would not hold out much hope for reform. Your friend was very brave to blow the whistle, it was morally the correct thing to do once he saw things were not going to change internally, but whistle-blowers are rarely thanked for taking action and I know of someone who was involved in a similar situation and did not win the good fight in the end.

    Let's hope it works out differently for your friend; in the meantime the Irish Red Cross won't be getting a red cent from me.


  • #18
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Fair play to this chap. Makes you wonder how many other Irish charities are partaking in this sort of shennanigans, not every charity has a guy like Noel.


  • #19
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Tbh, there are a few Irish charities that need investigating, but you tend to get your nose betten off if you question the goings on...


  • #20
    yoshytoshy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭yoshytoshy


    Nearly 200,000 euro lying in an account that nobody knew about and people left to die.

    Disgusting.


  • #21
    Nehaxak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭Nehaxak


    Hard thing to take though now is that his career in the NGO sector, at least in Irish NGO's, is probably now destroyed. He'd walk into a job in the UN or other non Irish NGO's but the wagons will be rounded up on this one for fear of public resentment spreading to other NGO's in Ireland. I would fear that would be the case anyway but Noel has plenty of options either way, there are plenty of other NGO's who would commend his actions.

    Whatever way this thread or similar goes, please remember that for the small amount (organisation wise) of obscenely overpaid, incompetent or what could be considered otherwise dodgy high end executives within NGO's in Ireland - there are a lot more genuine people working for them that put all of their heart, all their blood, sweat and tears into doing good for the people that really need it, and put all of that before even thinking about themselves or their own families. Regardless of how little they're paid compared to others higher up the chain of command within an organisation.

    I worked for an NGO here for a lot of my working life, I would have nothing but good to say about them but that's not to say they're without their small minor problems that could be improved upon if public opinion was strong enough to dictate (internal resistance has always persisted thus far).
    Maybe that's one of the things that will come out of all of this, more transparency with NGO's operating in Ireland, especially so in regards how much their staff are paid at higher levels, which in all honesty as I've said, can be obscene at times, especially given the times we live in.


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  • #22
    Kristopherus
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    What irks me is that the Minister was so shambolic that he could'nt even state that the Irish Red Cross comes under the remit of the Comptroller and Auditor General and that he would be referring the whole issue to that office. That would have put the wind up the board, but, alas that does not appear to be happening any time soon. So it will, sadly, continue as is.


  • #23
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    What the hell can be done??

    I chatted with Noel this evening and he's in good spirits if a little shook up about things. He wants to highlight the issue without appearing like a media-ho about it.

    I'm seriously mad about this but I dont know what can be done... he has a "disciplinary hearing" this week (isnt that hilarious, by the sounds of it he's the only one in there who doesnt need "disciplining") so I dont know if I should go "making trouble" ahead of that or not but I'm not going to sit on my hands for sure...


    DeV.


  • #24
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    On a tangent from this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056016355

    Turns out the Irish Red Cross sued Google to try and discover the identity of the blogger! (http://www.courts.ie/__80256FFF005DDD92.nsf/0/A31CD40C026BE4D9802577690046C42F?Open Case 96). Google donates 50,000 a year to the International Red Cross and 10,000 a year to the Irish Red Cross.... thats some way to treat them...

    More disturbing is that UPC handed over his identity (its not clear if there was a court order or not) and didnt bother to alert Noel that his ID was going to be handed over to a third party!

    Is that covered by the DPA??

    Thankfully Noel had decided that enough was enough and identified himself on the blog before that happened (http://governancereformatirishredcross.blogspot.com/)

    This is astonishing, with all the "wikileaks" stuff going on, here we have our own little whistle blower calling time on "financial irregularities" and "poor governance" and he's suspended and faces a disciplinary tribunal.

    This rabbit hole just keeps on going....

    DeV.


  • #25
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    DeVore wrote: »
    What the hell can be done??

    I chatted with Noel this evening and he's in good spirits if a little shook up about things. He wants to highlight the issue without appearing like a media-ho about it.

    I'm seriously mad about this but I dont know what can be done... he has a "disciplinary hearing" this week (isnt that hilarious, by the sounds of it he's the only one in there who doesnt need "disciplining") so I dont know if I should go "making trouble" ahead of that or not but I'm not going to sit on my hands for sure...

    I doubt there's much that can be done between now and then to change the outcome of such a hearing for the better, and it's probably worth keeping your powder dry for the moment. You won't know what what's actually happening until after the hearing in any case.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #26
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    DeVore wrote: »
    On a tangent from this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056016355

    DeV.

    It's not really tangential enough to be a separate thread, though.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • #27
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Fair enough Scoffy, and in fairness to the mods here, I will rescind my admin status about this topic and will interact as a regular user. Its not fair otherwise.


    For years now I have had a twitter account (@DeVore) to see just how many people would follow it if I wrote nothing (87). This issue has made me come out of the woodwork and start to use it. I dont really tweet but now I will do whatever I can to bring this to people's attention and if you feel the same way and you have a twitter account... well, I have started a #ReformIRC on: http://twitter.com/DeVore

    I hear this "twiting" thing is all the rage with you young folk. :p

    DeV.


  • #28
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    What irks me is that the Minister was so shambolic that he could'nt even state that the Irish Red Cross comes under the remit of the Comptroller and Auditor General and that he would be referring the whole issue to that office. That would have put the wind up the board, but, alas that does not appear to be happening any time soon. So it will, sadly, continue as is.

    :(


  • #29
    Meirleach
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭Meirleach


    DeVore wrote: »
    More disturbing is that UPC handed over his identity (its not clear if there was a court order or not) and didnt bother to alert Noel that his ID was going to be handed over to a third party!

    Eh, now that really worries me, would be interested in hearing more about that side of things.

    To my mind unless all of the IRC employees signed a NDA, what right would they have to seek his identity? Alas I'm not a legal expert.


  • #30
    donalgeraghty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭donalgeraghty


    ya saw the prime time interview,hes a great man to do what he did.doesnt suprise me that its a government funded charity that is being badly managed,it wouldnt happen in Order of Malta or the likes who are not funded by the government at all,who do just as much good work as Red Cross internatioanlly.But are not aswell known Like the following: http://www.malteser.de
    Malteser international who are part of the Order of Malta.


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  • #31
    Thirdfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    How does one stop payments to the red cross (monthly direct debits). I'll switch over to a different charity for now until this mess gets cleared up.

    edit: nevermind - I've found it - for anyone else interested in stopping the credit card payments go to RBS Worldpay and cancel your monthly agreement with the Irish Red Cross.

    Any suggestions of other charities that have an international focus?


  • #32
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Medicins Sans Frontier is my current donatee :)

    I hate the idea removing support for a charity because of its "management" but hopefully the axe falls swiftly and deeply and allows us to play our part in the International Red Cross.

    I'm going to write to fwestphal@icrc.org who is Head of Public and Media for the International Red Cross as per: their media contact list and ask them for clarity on this issue.

    I would ask anyone else out there to do so.

    DeV.


  • #33
    Thirdfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    I guess just like with politics - one has to vote with one's feet to effect change in a large organisation. When enough "little people" beneath don't take it any more then the people up top start worrying about reform, otherwise business as usual.

    MSF is a very good suggestion - thank you!

    I wrote to their regular email address yesterday - hopefully enough people do.


  • #34
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    DeVore wrote: »
    On a tangent from this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056016355

    Turns out the Irish Red Cross sued Google to try and discover the identity of the blogger! (http://www.courts.ie/__80256FFF005DDD92.nsf/0/A31CD40C026BE4D9802577690046C42F?Open Case 96). Google donates 50,000 a year to the International Red Cross and 10,000 a year to the Irish Red Cross.... thats some way to treat them...

    More disturbing is that UPC handed over his identity (its not clear if there was a court order or not) and didnt bother to alert Noel that his ID was going to be handed over to a third party!

    Is that covered by the DPA??

    I knew there were legal moves, but I thought it was only against Google.

    Not very smart move seeing that they donate to them, but I guess they wanted to out the blogger as they probably had fair idea it was insider and then they could start discrediting them.

    Either way Red Cross comes out smelling of manure.

    The fact that UPC shopped his identity is very worrying.
    Is there anything implicit in the contract with UPC that ones ID is freely available to third parties or indeed is it in contravention of DPA ?

    Perhaps they used same tact that IMRO or record companies were using to get Eircom to release IDs of musci downloaders ?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #35
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    It is also possible that the Irish Red Cross just made a decision to spend money in Ireland. That's not really their mandate, though.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw
    The IRC doesn't exist to subsidise Irish manufacturers.


  • #36
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    I have given a small donation to the red cross direct from my bank account for years now. Feel a bit cheated tbh. Not sure whether or not I should continue (CEOs of charities on 160k is just wrong).


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  • #37
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    i recently made a donation to the red cross , was a spur of the moment thing , was driving and an add came on the radio so i picked up the phone and rang up , i didnt know anything about the rampant corruption within the so called charity and feel such a fool for having donated to a crooked org , how is one supposed to know which charity to trust theese days or can we trust any of them ????


  • #38
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    goose2005 wrote: »
    The IRC doesn't exist to subsidise Irish manufacturers.

    Exactly - it's not their remit. I can't help but wonder whether political pressure from the government - which appoints the chairman and a third of the board, as well as donating a million euro a year - resulted in a "Buy Irish" decision.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • #39
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    murphaph wrote: »
    I have given a small donation to the red cross direct from my bank account for years now. Feel a bit cheated tbh. Not sure whether or not I should continue (CEOs of charities on 160k is just wrong).
    Check out the recent thread in AH on Concern

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=67703358

    Some people think the CEO's in the likes of Concern / GOAL and their executive peers are well worth their 150k+ salaries, the sense of irony being totally lost on them :eek:

    A few stories referencing very liberal use of the charities taxi accounts too...


  • #40
    OhNoYouDidn't
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭OhNoYouDidn't


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Exactly - it's not their remit. I can't help but wonder whether political pressure from the government - which appoints the chairman and a third of the board, as well as donating a million euro a year - resulted in a "Buy Irish" decision.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    It could be a simple logistical decision. The supply in Ireland is guaranteed, it might not be in Pakistan.....

    But we digress, carry on with the thread, very interesting reading.


  • #41
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    I have sat on the board of half a dozen companies, including Boards and my own startup companies. Now I'm a non-exec director and pretty much retired.

    I'll chair IRC for the average Irish wage. My CV is not insubstantial. I'm very serious about this though I know there isnt a snowballs chance because I dont know any politicians.

    DeV.


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  • #42
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,174 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He sure looks like a whistleblower.... a spy, if you rather.


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    Missing money and the blankets would have been enough for me without the rest of the rampant corruption from the sound of it. I assume the International Red Cross has no power to intervene or absolve the organization


  • #43
    dory
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    irishh_bob wrote: »
    i recently made a donation to the red cross , was a spur of the moment thing , was driving and an add came on the radio so i picked up the phone and rang up , i didnt know anything about the rampant corruption within the so called charity and feel such a fool for having donated to a crooked org , how is one supposed to know which charity to trust theese days or can we trust any of them ????

    I've generally found the smaller ones are safer. There are many small organisations you can support. Just look mycharity.ie for a list.

    I just heard the IRC ad on the radio and felt sick. All the crazy incompetents should all be kicked out.


  • #44
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    In Ireland, organisational inertia is almost always the top reason for failures to succeed, in any line of work, with poor management often to blame. Sheer corruption is actually less rampant than we might think, but in degrees it pervades our society, from jobs for the boys and other legal avenues to sheer cronyism and illegal and immoral actions.

    The Irish Red Cross seems, if all of this is true, to be just another Irish run, Irish screwed organisation. The halo has well and truly been removed.


  • #45
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Willie O'Dea and FF were made aware of "irregularities" 6 months ago, specifically. http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0224/redcross.html

    This rabbit hole just never stops. I'm waiting to hear about Noel's "disciplinary hearing" before starting something more serious in the campaigning line. I wonder if "irishredcrosswatch.com" is gone :)

    I've sent a mail to the international red cross because I believe they are a decent organisation and its only the Irish section which is fooked.

    DeV.


  • #46
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Yeah, think I'll just switch my donation to the German Red Cross so it still ends up where it's needed and not lining the pockets of IRC managers.


  • #47
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Bock The Robber has personal experience in raising cash for the Irish Red Cross and swears he will never do so again after working with them. Great read, here: http://bocktherobber.com/2010/08/stupidity-of-irish-red-cross

    DeV.


  • #48
    Cannibal Ox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Cannibal Ox


    DeVore wrote: »
    Willie O'Dea and FF were made aware of "irregularities" 6 months ago, specifically. http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0224/redcross.html

    I know for sure that it has been going on for months, and I think, but I'm not completely sure, that it may have been going on for more then a year. There was a thread on here about it a couple of weeks/months ago, and I think his blog was posted in it.

    I think he was absolutely right to do it, but what I do not understand is why he had to do it. Why did no journalist pick up on it? It has been going on for months, there have been comments in the Dail, there were articles and letters in the Irish Time, and his blog has been there for a while. So why exactly have no journalists investigated the Irish Red Cross? Why was it left to an employee? Shouldn't this be what Irish journalists are supposed to do?

    If you're dropping your subscription, you should let them know why in an email or phone call. You could send an email to Dochas, but they don't strictly regulate or oversea NGOs, but still, enough emails might get some kind of response. And someone within the NGO community should really respond to it.


  • #49
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Cannibal Ox wrote: »
    I think he was absolutely right to do it, but what I do not understand is why he had to do it. Why did no journalist pick up on it?

    I'd imagine one of our papers keeps any 'spare' staff on call, lest Pippa O'Connor fall off a horse. That, and having to scramble to follow Ronan Keating just means some things don't get priority, I suppose.


  • #50
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The biggest problem with these charities, and particularly the ones with pictures of the same starving black babies for years and years, is that anyone who dares to ask or enquire as to what are they doing with all the money, and where is it going, and what ****ing use is it doing, is seen/portrayed as
    a bad person, a racist or a miserable git. These charities are in a sense, untouchable

    BTW, there are some fantastic charities out there, Simon and SVDP being two.


  • #51
    Oscail
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Oscail


    Despite the Blogger revealing his identity in recent days it seems Irish Red Cross intend to continue their legal action against Google. No-one knows why this is but it is another example of wasting the public and tax payers money. The legal case against Google should now be dropped but instead Irish Red Cross have stated in the Irish Times that they intend to continue the action...what a mystery. And what a discredited organsiation they have become.

    The Minister of Defence, Tony Kileen needs to appoint the new Chairperson ASAP. He has prevaricated and delayed for nearly nine months. Even from watching Prime Time alone the Irish Red Cross needs a new Secretary General, one that is not afraid to appear before the media and justify his actions. Minister Killeen needs to take decisive action and appoint a new Chairperson, with one ability, the capacity to remove dead and dangerous wood, ASAP


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