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The Ares Tavor/ T.A.R 21 Discussion
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i thought i had put forward a semi balanced view with my tavor, but then again my ramblings do not really count as a review
Agree with you 100% in your conclusion your estimated true value I see as being about right which would put in line with the price of the bulk of the star ares normal assault rifles 250ish usd , the culprit for this inflated price is the small holographic sticker I found on my box , cybergun.
Been looking at the most up to date TSI picks and have to say I. still prefer the proportions and finish of the ares.0 -
Cheers Puding,
I read your points on it before writing my review too, some good info in there. i think you were one of the first to get inside it and point out some of the common problems you had, I'm not sure if i mentioned it in the review but the motor adjustment plate was missing from this too, like your own. (good thing i've an MP5K here that never sees use.)
I don't know how true it is but TSi claim to be supplying them to the IDF as training guns and that the IDF have given them a list of modifications to do to make it more realistic. I'm looking forward to seeing theirs in the flesh since their ability's to take a decent photo without filling it with over flash are non existent and it always looks washed out. If their GBB kit turns out to be true then i'll be all over it. I'll keep it solely as a GBBr and have the Ares as my Lecky powered alternative.
Their biggest let down is their complete lack of communication on it though. I had planned on getting theirs all along but i just got fed up with the waiting around and the constant moving of the arrival date every time it got near. aparently they are now waiting on magazine bumpers to arrive or to fit them, something like that. they could quite easily send these out to their customers afterwards and just keep everyone happy. 0 -
there has been a lot of delays on the tsi, and a lot of remarks about units being shipped to the idf but that is only directly from the company themselves, and going by there previous communications and delays i would rather see some independent information first
the galils where very nice but there has been a distinct lack of information about the tsi, will be nice when someone finally gets one in there hands, but again you might have the problem of non impartial review , will have to see
edit: i had the same loss mag release catch, slightest tap and mag would fall out, i used about 3 coils of an aeg spring to beef up the catch, works like a charm know0 -
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You never know falls, there might be a TSi one out by then so you'll at least have the benefit of choice.,
As for the gearbox though, they have used a unique one in this, it looks loosely like a P90 type gearbox but not the same. Its not so much the fact that they used push rods but rather in the way they used them. there's a lot of play in them and if you seen how the selector works you'd understand better why i think they cut corners really,(I'll post a pic of it tomorrow and show ya what i mean.)
The nice thing about the gearbox though is it has the typical Ares/Star quick chance spring thing going on. its really handy to change out with little or no tools.0 -
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Just another note on the TAVOR that may help anyone who winds up in the same mess I did.
I dissasembled the gearbox to replace the air seal nozzle and when I put everything back together I test fired the box without the spring installed - mistake!
I must have spun the g/b up too fast or something but whatever happened, I snapped the back off the tappet plate.
So took the whole lot apart again and removed the broken tappet plate. Went comparing it to others and found that the closest match was the M16A2/M4 tappet plate.
This plate is exactly the right length and the back end is cut to the correct shape for meeting the catch on the spur gear - however, the seat for the air seal nozzle is too high, the back edge of the catching end of the plate needs to be reshaped and the entire plate is 0.5mm wider than the original.
Fixing the shape of the back edge of the catching end of the plate is a simple affair. Fixing the height of the air seal nozzle seat is a little trickier and takes some pretty precision dremelling. The width of the plate can be modified quite simply using an emery board.
All that done, the tappet plates works perfectly as a replacement.
It is important that the air seal nozzle seat is done precisely or it will either be too long and not fit in properly, or too short so it may not hold the air seal nozzle well enough.
Shaving down the width of the plate is also important as that extra 0.5mm is not available. Once the gearbox is reassembled, the plate will be pulled back by the spur gear but it won't go forward again. Once shaved down it works perfectly (I'm actually convinced mine even moves a little better than the original).
Whilst I was in there I also installed and active braking MOSFET system - it works perfectly in full auto but will only fire once in semi for some reason. Haven't properly looked into why this is the case yet.
Hope noone ever actually needs this info but there it is for ye just in case.
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Just a little update guys, Ive cured the semi auto issue earlier on today.,
It was being caused by the little plastic cantilever thingy that transfers between the trigger arm and the actual mirco switch. Inside the main carrier of this is a really small spring loaded lever mechanism that engages with both the micro switch and the cut off lever (hence the correcting of the problem when going back to FA as it nudged the internal lever mech).
The main carrier (small black rectangular piece with moving lever inside) when removed from the gun seems to be ok and the lever within it is able to move freely but once assembled this inner piece was binding on the inside of the main carrier. It was causing it to stick back and the only way of jolting it was to flick over to FA which in turn was lifting the cutoff lever and knocking this piece back into place.
Theres 2 small pins holding this piece inside the main carrier and the smaller of the 2 also has the spring for the internal lever attached to it. pressing these out is finicky enough but i'd avoid any brute force on such a small and hard to get part. A really small Torx bit worked a treat for me.
I took out the internal arm from the main carrier and filed the inner walls of the carrier aswell as a quick smoothing on the corresponding section on the internal bit. I also added a light coating to grease to this part before reassembly and tested it all in the lower half of the gearbox shell with some light pressure on it as I had before the mod. Previously with only slight pressure it would bind 50% of the time (It would be even more only for the vibration of the box when firing helping it along) and with the pretty simple mods done its now 100% operational.
Next in line I'm looking at converting this to a quick change barrel using the hopup mech from a Star/Ares Scar so that could be interesting. I haven't received the upgraded G&P air nozzle yet so the gearbox will need stripping once again anyway. Right now I'm getting jussst under 1J with a spring that would usually get probably 370-380 in most V2 boxes. Theres also a lot of scoring on the air nozzle from it moving in and out of the hopup mech where it isnt fitting as well as it should.
PS, I have pics of the parts causing the Semi issue but i only had the iphone to hand so their not great. will get em up when i get the chance., 0 -
I got the pics up online today so here goes, the quality is poor as it was only a phone though.,
These 2 black parts are the cause of the problem. the one to the right sits inside the one on the left and its supposed to be free to move but it binds on the inside of the part on the left.
This is the 2 parts assembled with the spring in place.
The cut off lever and trigger arm are visible in this pic. The black piece that resembles an anti reversal latch is the trigger arm and its function is to press on the part in the first pic, which then transfers to the microswitch also visible in the pic there.
Another pic of the culprit.,
And all back together for a dry firing before assembly.,
Hope that helps ya's sort your own ones, I'll take some more detailed shots when I have it open for the new air nozzle.,:)0 -
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So i finally got around to doing some more work to this thing, installed an M16 length barrel (Vanaras one, impressed with it so far but i'll know better when i get a few games in). I also installed a G&P air nozzle which didnt really go according to plan. its slightly shorter than the original, which isn't in great nick and is a little leaky so im gonna try some other brands and see what works best.
Heres some pics/vid of the part that causes the ever too common Semi Auto problem.
Vanaras and original barrel, side by side.
Here's my original nozzle, I stuck in a G&P metal one with internal O-ring but it didnt really work well. Gonna order another and see how i get on.
And here's the part that causes the gun to lock up in semi, the internal bit gets stuck on the frame and wont move smoothly within the main part. you need to file it a little to cure this.
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