Since you object to the Angelus being broadcast on RTE

branie · 03-10-2010 12:58PM #1

are you also against the transmission of Mass on Sundays?

Dougla2 · 03-10-2010 01:08PM

yes of-course

Turtwig · 03-10-2010 01:10PM

Actually "Mass" per se isn't broadcast on Sundays. There is a very nice variety to the religious services shown on RTE - Sometimes Catholic mass, sometimes Church of Ireland services etc. So no objection there. The Angelus at 6.00 p.m everyday is a a clear signal of favouritism to Catholicism over other religions. In recent years RTE have tried to multi culturalise it but it still mainly consists of that old traditional BONG! at the time that Catholics pray, either we inlcude the Muslim (and other religions) calls to prayers for their times of the day or we just change it to a minute of reflectance for all - lose the Catholic bong!

Dades · 03-10-2010 01:13PM

branie, who are you talking to? I don't object to the Angelus at all.

I hope you're not assuming everyone here shares everyone elses views.

Dougla2 · 03-10-2010 01:19PM

Malty_T wrote: »

Actually "Mass" per se isn't broadcast on Sundays. There is a very nice variety to the religious services shown on RTE - Sometimes Catholic mass, sometimes Church of Ireland services etc. So no objection there. The Angelus at 6.00 p.m everyday is a a clear signal of favouritism to Catholicism over other religions. In recent years RTE have tried to multi culturalise it but it still mainly consists of that old traditional BONG! at the time that Catholics pray, either we inlcude the Muslim (and other religions) calls to prayers for their times of the day or we just change it to a minute of reflectance for all - lose the Catholic bong!

i meant to say this but was too lazy basicly unless all religion is broadcast equally (impossible) its not good to have the angelus on

MagicMarker · 03-10-2010 02:29PM

Here we go...

Coriolanus · 03-10-2010 02:35PM

At least you could try and sing along to the muslim call to prayer. The bongbong is just boring.

mathepac · 03-10-2010 02:35PM

So I guess that's Christ-mas and Easter celebrations gone off the telly and the radio, as well as addresses / appearances by the Chief Rabbi for Ireland on Jewish feast- or high-days. Down with this kind of thing, I say, all of it; it might give believers a sense of hope or comfort or belonging in difficult times, and we couldn't have that.

Turtwig · 03-10-2010 02:44PM

mathepac wrote: »

So I guess that's Christ-mas and Easter celebrations gone off the telly and the radio, as well as addresses / appearances by the Chief Rabbi for Ireland on Jewish feast- or high-days. Down with this kind of thing, I say, all of it; it might give believers a sense of hope or comfort or belonging in difficult times, and we couldn't have that.

Christ-mas? Last time I checked it was christmas. Did the hyphen just descend down from the heavens or something?

krudler · 03-10-2010 02:56PM

Malty_T wrote: »

Christ-mas? Last time I checked it was christmas. Did the hyphen just descend down from the heavens or something?

Its not Christmas anymore either, its Yuleathon, or Giftivus. Anyway lay off it, its the one time of the year where all religions finally agree on something, and thats the birth of Santa and the saving of those poor souls in Nakitomi Plaza by our true saviour, John McClane.

Tim Robbins · 03-10-2010 02:59PM

Dades wrote: »

branie, who are you talking to? I don't object to the Angelus at all.

I hope you're not assuming everyone here shares everyone elses views.

+1

This is the problem with Atheist Ireland. They create a misrepresentation of atheists.

veritable · 03-10-2010 03:02PM

Isn't the majority of Ireland Catholic? Why shouldn't the national broadcaster, paid for by tax payers (of whom Catholics are then the majority) represent the views of the majority?

Turtwig · 03-10-2010 03:06PM

Tim Robbins wrote: »

+1

This is the problem with Atheist Ireland. They create a misrepresentation of atheists.

While I agree with you in part about it being AI's responsibility. It depresses me to say that even if AI didn't exist this nonsense would happen anyway. Hopefully, to a lesser extent though.

Zombrex · 03-10-2010 03:14PM

branie wrote: »

are you also against the transmission of Mass on Sundays?

I objected to the Angelus, but I don't object to transmission of mass on sundays.

Oh how can that be wicknight, surely you are being hypocritical because you hate the Catholic angelus but secretly love the Catholic mass ... or something ...

I don't object to religious broadcasting on RTE so long as it fits in with RTE's already established and pretty good religious broadcasting guidelines.

Transmitting coverage of religious events does. Transmitting the Angelus, which is basically a glorified call to prayer, doesn't.

It is the responsibility of the national broadcaster to cover or document events of national interest. It is not the responsibility of the national broadcaster to ensure everyone stops what they are doing at 6pm to have a quiet reflection or prayer. The angelus isn't a broadcast, it is a pause in broadcasting because we are all supposed to be Catholic and supposed to be saying the Catholic prayer. You are actually not supposed to watch the angelus, which is the most ridiculously aspect of it. We ain't all Catholic and the national broadcaster shouldn't regulate Catholic practices.

We don't live in Saudi Arabia, and I think that is a very good thing.

Turtwig · 03-10-2010 03:14PM

veritable wrote: »

Isn't the majority of Ireland Catholic? Why shouldn't the national broadcaster, paid for by tax payers (of whom Catholics are then the majority) represent the views of the majority?

Well the majority of Earth is filled with microbial organisms so using your logic us Humans shouldn't be allowed any input on this planet.

Put it this way, if you were a member of the minority religions of Ireland would you be ok with the idea of another faith getting prime time air time for its calls to prayers and your own faith is expected to use that prime time air time call to prayer as a means of service for your own religion?

Zombrex · 03-10-2010 03:19PM

veritable wrote: »

Isn't the majority of Ireland Catholic? Why shouldn't the national broadcaster, paid for by tax payers (of whom Catholics are then the majority) represent the views of the majority?

The majority want a secular government (read the constitution). The majority want a secular national broadcaster (read the RTE mandate and the RTE internal guidelines)

So I agree, RTE should represent the views of the majority. They aren't though, they are representing the views of the tiny yet vocal minority of right wing Catholics who would cause a ton of political pressure if the angelus was ever removed and RTE don't want that headache.

veritable · 03-10-2010 03:23PM

Malty_T wrote: »

Well the majority of Earth is filled with microbial organisms so using your logic us Humans shouldn't be allowed any input on this planet.

Using your logic, a human and a microbial organism are one and the same. Don't know where you're going with that. :rolleyes:

Put it this way, if you were a member of the minority religions of Ireland would you be ok with the idea of another faith getting prime time air time for its calls to prayers and your own faith is expected to use that prime time air time call to prayer as a means of service for your own religion?

I don't understand what you mean? I think that that a tv station funded 80:20 group x:group y should represent the views of group x in the same proportion, whether it's religious, sports or current affairs programming,

veritable · 03-10-2010 03:28PM

Wicknight wrote: »

The majority want a secular government (read the constitution). The majority want a secular national broadcaster (read the RTE mandate and the RTE internal guidelines)

So I agree, RTE should represent the views of the majority. They aren't though, they are representing the views of the tiny yet vocal minority of right wing Catholics who would cause a ton of political pressure if the angelus was ever removed and RTE don't want that headache.

So be it. If that is the case, surely RTE would have made the required changes?
I don't think that a "tiny yet vocal minority of right wing Catholics" really have as much clout as you say. Aggressive atheism seems to much more politically potent and vocal, quite the opposite of your suggestion.

Galvasean · 03-10-2010 03:33PM

veritable wrote: »

Aggressive atheism seems to much more politically potent and vocal, quite the opposite of your suggestion.

Yep, because we have a stranglehold on the media and all...

Zombrex · 03-10-2010 03:33PM

veritable wrote: »

I don't think that a "tiny yet vocal minority of right wing Catholics" really have as much clout as you say.

Ok, you're allowed think that. You're wrong, but I don't really care that much.

veritable · 03-10-2010 03:35PM

Galvasean wrote: »

Yep, because we have a stranglehold on the media and all...

Where did I say that? And don't say I implied it. I like your sarcasm...

Galvasean · 03-10-2010 03:41PM

veritable wrote: »

Where did I say that? And don't say I implied it. I like your sarcasm...

I never said you said that. However you did say,
"Aggressive atheism seems to much more politically potent and vocal, "
I would strongly disagree. If it were so politically potent the national broadcaster would not be airing a Catholic call to prayer every day during prime time. Since there is no publicaly funded 'lack of belief' style broadcast (at least that I am aware of) I can't agree with your statement that 'aggressive atheism' is more politically potent or vocal than right wing Catholocism

veritable · 03-10-2010 03:45PM

Galvasean wrote: »

I never said you said that. However you did say,
"Aggressive atheism seems to much more politically potent and vocal, "
I would strongly disagree. If it were so politically potent the national broadcaster would not be airing a Catholic call to prayer every day during prime time. Since there is no publicaly funded 'lack of belief' style broadcast (at least that I am aware of) I can't agree with your statement that 'aggressive atheism' is more politically potent or vocal than right wing Catholocism

In my opinion there should not even be a publicly funded broadcaster. (Even saying it's publicly funded implies that the public has a choice.) That way, the public could decide with their feet whether they liked the angelus, or any other religious thing, on a tv station. But that's a separate issue.

Zillah · 03-10-2010 04:41PM

I wonder, is there a way that I, as an atheist, am allowed to express my desire for secularism without being labelled "aggressive" or "militant"? Serious question. Because it seems that any atheist who expresses the belief that religions should not receive special treatment are immediately labelled as some sort of fumingly intolerant elitist.

veritable wrote: »

In my opinion there should not even be a publicly funded broadcaster.

This is a grotesquely shortsighted opinion. The only other option is privately funded broadcaster, which makes them inherently susceptible to partisan views, profit based censorship and behaviour entirely inconsistent with the public interest.

veritable · 03-10-2010 04:48PM

Zillah wrote: »

This is a grotesquely shortsighted opinion. The only other option is privately funded broadcaster, which makes them inherently susceptible to partisan views, profit based censorship and behaviour entirely inconsistent with the public interest.

Partisan views like atheism or any other view for that matter?

As if publicly funded broadcasters are not political? RTE, BBC, etc?

Inconsistent with the public interest? Supposedly the angelus is inconsistent with the public interest, on the publicly funded RTE?

You're joking, right?

Ickle Magoo · 03-10-2010 04:52PM

veritable wrote: »

So be it. If that is the case, surely RTE would have made the required changes?
I don't think that a "tiny yet vocal minority of right wing Catholics" really have as much clout as you say. Aggressive atheism seems to much more politically potent and vocal, quite the opposite of your suggestion.

Aggressive atheism, lol...

veritable · 03-10-2010 05:01PM

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

Aggressive atheism, lol...

This pie chart is a favourite on boards. I wonder does it automatically come up when aggressive atheism is typed?!

The actions of a party, any party, should be seen for what they are, regardless of the size of that party.
How many Irish people do the IRA represent? A tiny minority, if anything. Should the actions of the IRA be treated differently because they hold a minority viewpoint?
Obviously, atheists and IRA bear no relation in deeds or ideology.

strobe · 03-10-2010 05:17PM

veritable wrote: »

T
Obviously, atheists and IRA bear no relation in deeds or ideology.

That's what we want you to believe.....

checkyabadself · 03-10-2010 05:25PM

Who watches TV on a Sunday morning ?

Zillah · 03-10-2010 05:36PM

veritable wrote: »

Partisan views like atheism or any other view for that matter?

As if publicly funded broadcasters are not political? RTE, BBC, etc?

I don't think you're quite following me. Look at the US for example. You have Fox News blatantly supporting Republican viewpoints and constantly insulting, demeaning and attacking Democrats. Tons of self censorship due to fears over profits, sensationalist and hysterical reporting designed to drive up viewing numbers rather than report on important events, sentimental soft stories designed to tug at heart strings being given time slots over politics, finances, arts etc. RTE and other public broadcasters are able to rise above all of that. RTE news, for example, is a shining beacon of journalistic professionalism by contrast.

A publicly funded broadcaster is charged with persuing public interest, their funding is not dependent on sensationalism and the lowest common denominator. They're enabled to rise above the petty demands of profiteering.

Inconsistent with the public interest? Supposedly the angelus is inconsistent with the public interest, on the publicly funded RTE?

I didn't say anything about the angelus, I'm explaining what is so terribly wrong with your attack on the value of publicly funded broadcasters.

iguana · 03-10-2010 05:40PM

Nevore wrote: »

At least you could try and sing along to the muslim call to prayer. The bongbong is just boring.

What if they played something like this for a minute at 6 every evening?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7tRTBZJk0M

Since you object to the Angelus being broadcast on RTE

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