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Poor Road Signage Pictures

murphaph · 2006-01-14 21:02:55

Hi all, some of the members of SABRE, including myself are trying to collate images of rubbish road signage to petition the NRA and local authorities into some sort of coherent action plan to standardise design and installation (and bloody maintenance!) of road traffic signs in the republic. We'd appreciate it immensely if…

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#542 07-09-2007 6:36pm
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Knew I'd find it. Here you go. It's on the road from Bandon to Clonakilty in West Cork.
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#543 08-09-2007 1:58pm
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MathsManiac wrote:

Ah, the upside-downers; don't you just love them. There's an upside down Y-junction sign (roads not of equal importance) near me somewhere. If I remember where it is I'll take a pic. Obviously the lads came out from the depot with the wrong sign - it showed the minor road joining from the wrong side, so they decided to turn it upside down, on the basis that it's close enough!

Here's a similar example from Donabate village in Dublin. The road of greater importance goes straight ahead and then veers to the right. A minor road intersects on the left at 90 degrees to the straight part. But the sign would seem to indicate otherwise.

More signage, for the same junction as above, uses mandatory and warning signs and looks contradictory and fussy.

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#544 08-09-2007 3:29pm
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Theres a ton of traffic light signs in Cork that are upside down. The green is on top with the red at the bottom. They havent slipped either, because they're bolted on.

I'll get pics next time.

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#545 08-09-2007 6:49pm
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Chris_533976 wrote:

Theres a ton of traffic light signs in Cork that are upside down. The green is on top with the red at the bottom. They havent slipped either, because they're bolted on.

I'll get pics next time.

At least they got the actual traffic lights the right way up!

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#546 08-09-2007 7:34pm
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Not exactly

There was one in Ballyvolane the other day that had the entire red light fitment hanging out and pointing at the ground, still working

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#547 08-09-2007 7:57pm
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Wishbone Ash wrote:

Here's a similar example from Donabate village in Dublin. The road of greater importance goes straight ahead and then veers to the right. A minor road intersects on the left at 90 degrees to the straight part. But the sign would seem to indicate otherwise.

More signage, for the same junction as above, uses mandatory and warning signs and looks contradictory and fussy.

Christ on a bike and some people still feel we have adequate signage. The warning sign for the right hand curve should be well back from the hazard but that looks like an urban setting, so no real need for the warning sign at all IMO as traffic should not be moving at speed. As a side note, is the hump bridge after the junction in the fist pic? Donabate you say, well as a Fingal resident I can say with confidence that they are easily one of the most incompetent authorities wrt signage, certainly in the greater Dublin region.

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#548 08-09-2007 9:19pm
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murphaph wrote:

As a side note, is the hump bridge after the junction in the fist pic?

There is a humpbacked bridge about 100 metres after that sign but I think the sign actually refers to a series of speed ramps which are on the minor road to the left. There is a white plate below the sign which was not in the pic and I forget what it said.

(I'll check it out).

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#549 08-09-2007 9:34pm
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Interesting, as the signs are supposed to be in the same order (from the top down) as the hazards to be encountered by the road user. This is often messed up.

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#550 08-09-2007 10:46pm
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Why don't we put this information to good use and email the locations and pictures of the offending signs to the relevant department in the LA - then we can see what improvement (if any) is made.

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#551 09-09-2007 11:17am
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Yesterday I was heading south on the N8. As you leave Urlingford there is a climbing lane.
The sign says Climbing Lane ahead 300 meters. Further up the hill it informs you of the end of the climbing lane, again the American spelling is used.

Jeez, you'd really have to go out of your way to get an American (mis)spelling.
I'd love to have stopped to see who made the sign.

Aside, I'm still waiting for a reply from NRA CEO about the "It's not our job to review signs" comment by Rennicks.

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#552 09-09-2007 12:17pm
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More helpful signage courtesy of Fingal County Council. :rolleyes:

A STOP sign, a NO RIGHT TURN sign and a YIELD symbol on the road, all together at the an approach to a ROUNDABOUT north of Swords.

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#553 09-09-2007 12:29pm
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......and no compulsory 'turn left' sign above the chevron. So a motorist could legally TURN RIGHT and proceed the wrong way around the roundabout. Remember, it's that little white on blue arrow that makes a roundabout, a roundabout! As for contacting LA's about their failures-some (like SDCC) will acknowledge they messed up and will commit to rectifying the situation. Fingal will ignore you until you give up.

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#554 09-09-2007 1:33pm
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murphaph wrote:

......and no compulsory 'turn left' sign above the chevron.

Looks like it's fallen off (note the pole sticking up from the chevrons). Hence the barmy temporary no-right-turn sign (instead of replacing the missing turn left sign).

Are Stops allowed at entrances to roundabouts (e.g. if sight lines are bad - though I assume they shouldn't be) if the road markings were correct?

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#555 09-09-2007 3:01pm
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The stop sign (and probably NRT sign) likely predate the obviously new built roundabout. You can see the approach road doesn't quite 'line up' right with the roundabout entrance. I doubt the compulsory sign fell off-more likely it was never installed at all. Even worse.

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#556 09-09-2007 4:31pm
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Zoney wrote:

Are Stops allowed at entrances to roundabouts (e.g. if sight lines are bad - though I assume they shouldn't be) if the road markings were correct?

No, it's always YIELD signs (unless the roundabout is signal controlled).

murphaph wrote:

The stop sign (and probably NRT sign) likely predate the obviously new built roundabout

Yes, but the roundabout is on the R132, which was once a National Primary Route and has been there for a least 6 months, if not more. I think they should have rectified it when it opened.

I'm not sure if the NRT sign was placed during construction works or before that. Making a right turn there used to be very difficult and dangerous.

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#557 09-09-2007 4:33pm
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One thing that strikes me is that a lot of road seems to have very slim and short markings eg dashed white line etc. The road in from Midleton is like this. I see that the UK standards on such a road are a 3m mark with a width of 150mm - they look a lot slimmer.

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#558 09-09-2007 8:50pm
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murphaph wrote:

......and no compulsory 'turn left' sign above the chevron

Zoney wrote:

Looks like it's fallen off (note the pole sticking up from the chevrons)

Spot on Zoney! I passed it tonight and it is lying on the grass behind the chevron sign.

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#559 09-09-2007 9:55pm
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I just spotted this in Pics of apt, rare, funny number plates taken in Ireland if possible

WHy are the words "Bus Stop" written for the benefit of traffic on the other side of the road?

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#560 09-09-2007 10:12pm
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kbannon wrote:

WHy are the words "Bus Stop" written for the benefit of traffic on the other side of the road?

Occasionally they write it both ways (i.e. one on each end of the stop). Presumably it's for the benefit of drivers who intend to park there from the opposite direction.

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#561 10-09-2007 10:23pm
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kbannon wrote:

WHy are the words "Bus Stop" written for the benefit of traffic on the other side of the road?

They should also be at the other end of the bus stop.

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#562 11-09-2007 12:40pm
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Wishbone Ash wrote:

Here's a similar example from Donabate village in Dublin. The road of greater importance goes straight ahead and then veers to the right. A minor road intersects on the left at 90 degrees to the straight part. But the sign would seem to indicate otherwise.

Wishbone Ash wrote:

More helpful signage courtesy of Fingal County Council.

A STOP sign, a NO RIGHT TURN sign and a YIELD symbol on the road, all together at the an approach to a ROUNDABOUT north of Swords.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...aneSignage.jpg

I reported both of these to Fingal's Transportation Department. My email (with links to the photos, not this thread), were forwarded to Mary McPhillips, Senior Staff Officer, Transportation Department who is forwarding them to a Traffic Engineer "for examination"

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#563 11-09-2007 1:35pm
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daymobrew wrote:

I reported both of these to Fingal's Transportation Department. My email (with links to the photos, not this thread), were forwarded to Mary McPhillips, Senior Staff Officer, Transportation Department who is forwarding them to a Traffic Engineer "for examination"

Fair play, thanks!

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#564 11-09-2007 9:54pm
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Wishbone Ash wrote:

Occasionally they write it both ways (i.e. one on each end of the stop). Presumably it's for the benefit of drivers who intend to park there from the opposite direction.

Victor wrote:

They should also be at the other end of the bus stop.

The alignment of the text is totally wrong for oncoming traffic though. It should be designed to be visible to drivers before they enter the bus stop, not when they well into it.

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#565 11-09-2007 10:51pm
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Sorry, clearer explanation.

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#566 11-09-2007 11:10pm
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I understand that Victor - the one in the pic I posted isn't that way though. It appears to have one 'bus stop' text block and its facing away from that lane's traffic

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#567 15-09-2007 4:28pm
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Chris_533976 wrote:

Theres a ton of traffic light signs in Cork that are upside down. The green is on top with the red at the bottom. They havent slipped either, because they're bolted on.

I'll get pics next time.

As promised -

It hasn't been swiveled around either, the sign is bolted to the pole as normal.

Also any opinions on this gantry style? I've only ever seen it on the N18 outside Shannon. Would be interested in seeing what people think of it. Good/bad/indifferent? I dont think its in the TSM at all.

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#568 15-09-2007 4:44pm
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It is in the TSM though not as a gantry style! It's got standard features like a link line. Personally I think it's quite clear and that's the main thing.

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#569 15-09-2007 6:46pm
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Yep, that's a "Get in Lane" sign that Clare County Council decided would make a good gantry. Actually it works quite well and is defintely better than a dodgey gantry.

If you want to gantries the way they *should* look, the Long Mile Road/Naas Road (R110) area inside the M50 has one-or-two almost perfectly TSM compliant gantries. Essentially they should be billingual versions of the UK style. Ironic that these nearly perfect gantries are on an R-road!

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#570 15-09-2007 7:29pm
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icdg wrote:

Yep, that's a "Get in Lane" sign that Clare County Council decided would make a good gantry. Actually it works quite well and is defintely better than a dodgey gantry.

If you want to gantries the way they *should* look, the Long Mile Road/Naas Road (R110) area inside the M50 has one-or-two almost perfectly TSM compliant gantries. Essentially they should be billingual versions of the UK style. Ironic that these nearly perfect gantries are on an R-road!

I took a picture of that and posted it on SABRE as the nearest example of a TSM compliant gantry we have. It's buried in the ROI->other roads album IIRC.

Speaking of the R110. What a silly road. It is signed and OS mapped as taking 2 different routes from that junction! both along the Naas Road and the Long Mile Road.

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#571 15-09-2007 7:44pm
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I took this in Clifden. Wasn't quite sure what to make of it.

Straight ahead only.
Right turn only.
Direction signs sending you left.
Tourism / B&B signs sending you in all kinds of directions.

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