Trash/Black/Satanic Metal....

apoch632 wrote: »

There is indeed some christian black metal but it is a bit of an oxymoron. Bit like calling myself a catholic or protestant atheist.

Oh and Death Metal > Black Metal

While I think all of your musical tastes are abysmal (:p) there is no such thing as 'Christian music'. Music is simply an arrangement of notes that vary according to length and pitch. It has no moral content whatsoever. What makes a musical piece 'Christian' or not is its lyrics. You can set Christian lyrics to any style of music whatsoever.

BTW, most 'Christian' music sucks. There are too many talentless wannabees who could never get a recording deal in the real world, but figure out how to be a big fish in the small pool of 'Christian' music. So often the lyrics are uninventive and simplistic and the musical ability is mediocre. Obviously I use Christian music in church services, but the rest of the time I'd sooner listen to Van Morrison or The Doors.

OP the lead singer of Megadeth made a conversion to Christianity in the last few years and is still playing the same music, so I don't think you should feel the need to cut yourself off from your previous musical tastes. These bands sing about a lot of the things that are bad in the world, but that doesn't necessarily mean they revel in it?
Also Slayer a little more subtle than most people give them credit for. People here they wrote a song angel of death and assume they are pro nazi but its not like that at all. There is a strong satanist element to a lot of Black metal, but again as someone above pointed out about Tom Araya, most are playing roles rather than being hardline satanists. Satyricon sing about the dark lord and whatnot, but they aren't really satanists. At the same time there was a period in Norway where black metal band members were involved in church burning, but the reasons for that sort of thing are much much more complex than simply the music they played. In the same way we shouldn't assume everyone that likes rap is a drug dealing ho pimping individual, we shouldn't assume that every metal fan is a satanist.

I really do abhor Chrisitan music forthe most part. the poppy stuff and the old stuff. They are written and played in away which is designed to be musically evocitave and then confuse the person as to weather its god or just the music making them feel all wibbly inside (or nauseus!)

Deicida wrote: »

Anyway I leave you with this to show you what you are missing out on, don't worry they don't contain any satanic stuff:

currently listening to anthems of rebellion. fantastic album

really really really good band, cheers for bringing them to my attention

kelly1 wrote: »

Black/satanic/death metal is totally opposed to Christ. How can people claim to live Christian lives and still listen to lyrics which are blasphemous and glorify violence and death? Do people not read the lyrics? e.g.

When you get to the extremes of metal the lyrics become less important and less understandable, I'll bet you any amount of money you didn't understand the lyrics of that Slayer song until you looked them up. Most of the extreme music you've referenced is rubbish and this is a tattooed long haired life long rocker speaking. Some of them don't even bother with lyrics - Napalm death spring to mind, showing my age but how and ever. It's the aggression in the music that appeals to those who listen to it not blindly following.

Personally I've always found rap music to be more offensive, songs like cop killer spring to mind as this is real and something that happens every day by people who are genuinely inspired by the music they listen to. But I give the human race more credit then to rush out and kill cops just because some rapper thinks it made a good song. II don't like rap music and therefore don't listen to it or buy it but I don't deny other people's right to listen to it. I dont think people who listen to extreme metal are Satanists but like the rebellious image. I have to agree with a previous poster that the bands are doing it because it sells not because it's what they live their lives by. Even if they are Satanists they won't have done more damage then a lot of Christians and Catholics. Mohammed Ali was asked when he visited Ground Zero how it felt to be the same religion as the people who carried out the 911 attacks, he responded by asking the reporters how did it feel to be the same religion as Hitler? Let he who hasn't sinned etc etc.

You may remember some time ago a band called Judas Priest were involved in a trial where two of their fans killed themselves after listening to one of their songs backwards. Apparantly the message says "do it, kill yourself" They played the offending item in court, look it up on youtube, if it wasn't so sad it would be hillarious. People have to take some individual responsibility for their actions, blaming bands and the media is a joke.

If you don't like the music, fine neither do I, you can't explain to people why you like a particular brand of music, you either like it or you don't, trying to tell people why you like Metallica and not Megadeth is wasting your breath and best left to teenagers who have more time on their hands.

If you'd like to look up some more slayer lyrics I suggest God Hates us all/The disciple. I wouldn't view the song as Satanic but portraying a very strong view as to why very bad things happen.

There's a lot of tongue in cheek involved in rock/metal, if I told you someone wrote a song called "For the love of God" you'd probably say great, if I told you he'd long hair, tattoos and ear rings, your smile would probably turn into a frown, if I told you it's an instrumental by Steve Vai(one of the most hailed guitar players of all time) you might rethink a bit. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself.

kelly1 wrote: »

My point is that I don't think it's possible to listen to black/death metal and not be influenced negatively

ah come on

whats the last black metal track you heard where you could understand the lyrics anyway?