Did you pause before casting your vote today ?

Nehaxak · 02-10-2009 9:08am #1

Did you ? Did you have even a little doubt before casting your vote today, whether you voted yes or no ?

I knew what I was voting before I went in for sure this morning, but, I still paused and doubted for a moment.

Looked like I was the first to vote in my area from what I could see of the sheets the woman had in front of her, she went through the first 10 pages of them at least before getting to my name and nobody else was crossed off the list of voters.
I know it's really early in the day but still, last Lisbon ref the same local polling station was fairly packed at around the same time.

ben bedlam · 02-10-2009 9:27am

No doubts or hesitations whatsoever in voting NO. Lisbon takes Europe in an overly militarisitic and federal direction, and is dire for this country.

sneem-man · 02-10-2009 9:52am

No pause for me,before putting a big X in the NO box...

nullzero · 02-10-2009 9:54am

No pause to vote No.

Amtmann · 02-10-2009 10:03am

I voted YES without any hesitation, as did my two housemates.

Sam Vimes · 02-10-2009 10:06am

I wish I could ask for 100 ballots to vote yes to counter 99 people who will vote no because they think the EU stole €200 billion worth of fish, that we're losing our right to referendums or that the treaty requires us to change our military capacity or expenditure in any way. I won't hesitate

humanji · 02-10-2009 10:09am

I haven't voted, but know that I'm going to take ages to vote as I always read and re-read the voting sheet because I'm paranoid that I'll tick the wrong box.

ei.sdraob · 02-10-2009 10:11am

I paused to think about the poor gaulible people who might fall for all the lies and scaremongering from the NO side

was there anything positive at all about the NO campaign

?

nullzero · 02-10-2009 10:13am

ei.sdraob wrote: »

I paused to think about the poor gaulible people who might fall for all the lies and scaremongering from the NO side

was there anything positive at all about the NO campaign

?

Really? that was out of character.

marco murphy · 02-10-2009 10:17am

No doubts about voting no, but I still paused.

I dunno what it is :P

granite man · 02-10-2009 10:24am

Was there anything positive from the yes campaign either? We've been lied to, cheated and deceived by these greed mongers for years, the yes campaign has been a continuation of that with a smidgeon of good old fashioned bullying thrown in. Yes for jobs (for the boys) yes for a recovery of multinational and bank profits. They can go f**k.
NO NO NO!

brianthebard · 02-10-2009 10:25am

Sam Vimes wrote: »

I wish I could ask for 100 ballots to vote yes to counter 99 people who will vote no because they think the EU stole €200 billion worth of fish, that we're losing our right to referendums or that the treaty requires us to change our military capacity or expenditure in any way. I won't hesitate

Your ballot is for the purpose of showing your opinion on the matter and that alone, its not there to counter others or destroy the opposition or whatever. Its a pretty insulting attitude to take, to suggest you want 100 ballots to drown out the democratic voice of 100 other people. Its not up to you to decide what others believe.

here.from.day.1 · 02-10-2009 10:27am

NO pause.

humanji · 02-10-2009 10:31am

brianthebard wrote: »

Your ballot is for the purpose of showing your opinion on the matter and that alone,

His opinion is that many people are voting for reasons that are nothing to to with treaty. Does that not bother you? If the majority of people were voting Yes because they thought it would stop George Lucas making a fifth Indiana Jones movie, would that not make you wish people would make a little more of an effort in something that is claimed to be so important?

smokingman · 02-10-2009 10:36am

Voting this evening and not going to pause in the slightest - my mind is solid on this one. I've already posted the below on another thread - seems to work for the no side to repeat ad nausium - and apologies to the mods for the effective double post.

Voting YES because I refuse to be swayed by foreign marketing teams coming onto our beloved boards.ie, creating multiple new accounts and posting lies.

I will NOT be swayed by the likes of Ganley, Coir, the communist parties and the UK nazi party.

I will NOT be swayed by the lack of any truth whatsoever in any no poster I've seen.

I will NOT be swayed by anyone telling me that the EU has been anything but good for MY country.

I will NOT be swayed by conspirary theorists sitting in their bedrooms creating some kind of EVIL EMPIRE out of the EU which we ARE a part of (does that make us evil lads? )

I will NOT be swayed by any part quotation of the Treaty that usually forgets to include the parts where we can duck out of anything proposed.

I will NOT be swayed by anyone sprouting crap suggesting we have less of a say when QM voting needs AT LEAST 15 countries AND 65% of the total population of our Europe to get something passed.

I will NOT be swayed by anyone suggesting I'm unpatriotic to support a yes vote - I love this island even with all it's problems but I also love being a European. Travelling across Europe has given me the comfortable feeling that people are mostly the same in things they want, food, love, happiness....
We are Irish citizens standing side by side with our neighbours for a common cause - the foundations the EU were built on and if the Treaty is ratified, this will include the Charter of Fundamental Human Rights - what's wrong with that?

I'm urging people to vote yes only because I believe it to be right.
Not because I'm being paid by foreign interests, not because I believe any of the lies, not because I am in any way looking out for anything but this Islands future.

I hope the future will be good - same as every European.
-Ed

Sam Vimes · 02-10-2009 10:42am

brianthebard wrote: »

Your ballot is for the purpose of showing your opinion on the matter and that alone, its not there to counter others or destroy the opposition or whatever. Its a pretty insulting attitude to take, to suggest you want 100 ballots to drown out the democratic voice of 100 other people. Its not up to you to decide what others believe.

The thing is though that this is not the democratic voice of these people, this is the extremely undemocratic voice of the lying extremists who have tricked these people into thinking they're doing the right thing. I can respect someone's right to vote but that doesn't mean I have to respect someone who is voting based on misconceptions and lies

dearg lady · 02-10-2009 10:42am

humanji wrote: »

His opinion is that many people are voting for reasons that are nothing to to with treaty. Does that not bother you? If the majority of people were voting Yes because they thought it would stop George Lucas making a fifth Indiana Jones movie, would that not make you wish people would make a little more of an effort in something that is claimed to be so important?

I would suggest there are people on both sides voting who have no clue about the treaty. It's not ideal certainly, but that post implied his vote was more important(more correct maybe?) tha someone choosing to vote no.

Max Power1 · 02-10-2009 11:00am

a slight pause before voting NO.

I wanted to make sure I didnt tick the box that increased military activity, removed our automatic veto, and installed a warmongering Brit as head of the EU council

PopeBuckfastXVI · 02-10-2009 11:03am

Max Power1 wrote: »

a slight pause before voting NO.

I wanted to make sure I didnt tick the box that increased military activity, removed our automatic veto, and installed a warmongering Brit as head of the EU council

F*ck, I think I got the wrong ballot paper, I didn't see that box on mine...

Sam Vimes · 02-10-2009 11:06am

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

F*ck, I think I got the wrong ballot paper, I didn't see that box on mine...

Yeah what referendum were you voting on?

humanji · 02-10-2009 11:07am

dearg lady wrote: »

I would suggest there are people on both sides voting who have no clue about the treaty. It's not ideal certainly, but that post implied his vote was more important(more correct maybe?) tha someone choosing to vote no.

Well there's more people openly voting no because of reason not on the treaty. This forum is testament to that. If you want to counter all the Yes voters who voting for stupid reasons then you should post here that you wish you had 100 ballots so that you could cancel out 99 of the stupid votes. It makes no difference as it's not going to happen.

Max Power1 · 02-10-2009 11:13am

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

F*ck, I think I got the wrong ballot paper, I didn't see that box on mine...

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Yeah what referendum were you voting on?

maybe you should read up on what you are voting on then

Sam Vimes · 02-10-2009 11:15am

Max Power1 wrote: »

maybe you should read up on what you are voting on then

No I've read up on it and none of that stuff is in there. I saw some stuff like that on the Sinn Fein, Libertas and Coir websites but nowhere reputable

Max Power1 · 02-10-2009 11:24am

Sam Vimes wrote: »

No I've read up on it and none of that stuff is in there. I saw some stuff like that on the Sinn Fein, Libertas and Coir websites but nowhere reputable

Its funny, I disregard PR BS from Coir/libertas as its rubbish (ie the 1.84 min wage) and also the PR BS from the FF/FG bandwagon (Yes to jobs????)

This info, however is taken from the source from where I get the accurate info used to forge my decision, (europa.eu)

Solidarity between Member States: the Treaty of Lisbon provides that the Union and its Member States act jointly in a spirit of solidarity if a Member State is the subject of a terrorist attack or the victim of a natural or man-made disaster. Solidarity in the area of energy is also emphasised.

I am not in support of this.

Progress in European Security and Defence Policy will preserve special decision-making arrangements but also pave the way towards reinforced cooperation amongst a smaller group of Member States.

This is not what I want

Effective and efficient decision-making: qualified majority voting in the Council will be extended to new policy areas to make decision-making faster and more efficient. From 2014 on, the calculation of qualified majority will be based on the double majority of Member States and people, thus representing the dual legitimacy of the Union.A double majority will be achieved when a decision is taken by 55% of the Member States representing at least 65% of the Union’s population.

A more stable and streamlined institutional framework: the Treaty of Lisbon creates the function of President of the European Council elected for two and a half years, introduces a direct link between the election of the Commission President and the results of the European elections, provides for new arrangements for the future composition of the European Parliament and for a smaller Commission, and includes clearer rules on enhanced cooperation and financial provisions.

Improving the life of Europeans: the Treaty of Lisbon improves the EU's ability to act in several policy areas of major priority for today's Union and its citizens. This is the case in particular for the policy areas of freedom, security and justice, such as combating terrorism or tackling crime. It also concerns to some extent other areas including energy policy, public health, civil protection, climate change, services of general interest, research, space, territorial cohesion, commercial policy, humanitarian aid, sport, tourism and administrative cooperation.

This is the main reason i will be voting no.

All quotes taken from the official EU website,

Handsome Bob · 02-10-2009 11:25am

humanji wrote: »

I haven't voted, but know that I'm going to take ages to vote as I always read and re-read the voting sheet because I'm paranoid that I'll tick the wrong box.

Ha, that's exactly what happened to me this morning.

Well in truth it was half to do with making sure I ticked the right box and didn't spoil the vote in any way, with the other half being down to a slight guilty feeling I had for voting YES. I am a Joe Higgins man after all.

Neamhshuntasach · 02-10-2009 11:25am

The no campaign was rediculous for it's lies and i'm sure there are a lot of people who might be/or have voted no based on them. But most of what i have read on forums (not in this one) from yes voters has been they are voting yes because it will end the recession or they fear we will be kicked out of Europe. Both of which are false reasons. Let's say a poll was conducted after voting ceases and a poll is conducted that most people voted yes because of such above reasons. Would another referendum be held then because people didn't vote on the right reasons? I reckon a lot of people will vote yes out of fear thanks to the Governments campaign which has been enfocred by the media.

My name is URL · 02-10-2009 11:25am

Haven't voted yet, pretty sure there'll be no hesitation from me when marking the NO box though

P. Breathnach · 02-10-2009 11:27am

I won't be voting until this evening. Between now and then, I will reflect on my second and third preferences.

turgon · 02-10-2009 12:08pm

humanji wrote: »

His opinion is that many people are voting for reasons that are nothing to to with treaty. Does that not bother you?

Of course it doesnt. The lies and deceptions have led gullible voters to vote the way the No side wants, so thus voting on ignorance is something they must defend and support. The means doesnt matter whatsoever, all that matters is the end.

Sully · 02-10-2009 12:17pm

No hassle at all. Walked in proudly with a Yes sticker, ticked my box (for Yes) with a satisfactory smile that I was one of the people who will gladly put their fingers up to the lies and bull**** spread by Sinn Fein, Jim Corr, Coir (who were very rude during the canvassing for a Yes), Libertas (ya, he talks about Ireland not taking democracy. Right!), Socialists etc.

It sadness me to see so many people being conned into the bull****. Even in this thread some of the No reasons have me baffled - its not that they are making it up, but they think its true. Sad day for Ireland if No wins on these silly reasons.

Sure, the Yes side may have came out with a few questionable reasons to go with Yes - but geez louize, take a look back at the ****e from Libertas, Sinn Fein and Coir which lacks a bloody foundation! Why vote with these loonies? Yes tbh.

Do Ireland proud - VOTE YES!

SineadLewis · 02-10-2009 12:17pm

I am not easily scared by the big boys.

Voted No for the second time.

Waiting for Lisbon 3

Did you pause before casting your vote today ?

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