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Are Liverpool ( and Rafa ) done? *Haters Gonna Hate

  • 17-10-2009 10:47PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020
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    Villa fan here, not looking at opening a Man U / Liverpool debate. But - whats your opinions on Liverpool's current situation? I personally believe 1) they ARE a 2 man team 2) they have overperformed the past 2 seasons 3 ) Rafa is too stubborn and is a key reason they are where they are now and 4) they will be 6th this year. So far already Villa, Spurs, Chelsea and Sunderland have beat them, and the challengers to the big 4 already have points and arguably the more difficult games behind them. What dya reckon?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 Royale with Cheese
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    Yeah, I reckon after an entire 9 games of the Premier League season it's safe to say they'll probably be relegated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 Diabhal Beag
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    They are really ballooned this year :pac: Bad start but they always make a bad start. They could still do it with a lot of luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 Jesus Wept
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    I think you are talking out of the wrong orifice.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 CHD
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    Depends on how many balloons line up against them this year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 OPENROAD
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    If City are to break into the top four, I always felt it could be at Liverpools expense especially with the squad they have but after only nine games still too early, as for the title, can't see Liverpool doing it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 kryogen
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    Yeah, I reckon after an entire 9 games of the Premier League season it's safe to say they'll probably be relegated.

    not the most helpful reply in fairness, why bother replying at all if you have such contempt for the question, comments like this is only flame the situation. whats the point like?

    To answer the OP, Liverpool were always going to be longshots for the premier league this season due to a lack of strength in depth, same as every season! but they are not out of the league yet this year, a win for them next week and everyone will be tipping them for the title again

    As usual the knee jerk reactions of people come out after a match, but look at it objectively, are they too far behind in the title race to win the league at this point?

    of course not, but they need to learn how to win games, and actually play well, without Gerrard.....They have not performed well again today and while teams like united and chelsea can often peform poorly and get the result, Liverpool just dont it consistently

    they were doing it last year and thats what got them close. they need to find a way to do it again

    Excuses only go so far in football and it will ultimately be the owners of liverpool who decide when it is the end for rafa, or maybe he himself will walk away, but things would have to get pretty bad on the pitch for that to happen imo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,442 Bandit12
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    Yes yes they are done.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,552 Bobalicious93
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    They're just deflated at the moment. They'll bounce back.

    Your theory is a load of hot air tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 curry-muff
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    Love the way pool fans are just ignoring the fact that they are in trouble, it shows they are good fans that will stick by their team but deep down they have to know that they actually are in trouble and are going to have to strengthen some way in janurary and hope for a bit of luck with gerrard and torres fitness, and also going to need aquilani to gel immediately with the liverpool team, because a team with lucas starting will never win the premiership


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,563 kinaldo
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    All I know is that red balloons are better than luft balons





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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 mike65
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    Villa fan here, not looking at opening a Man U / Liverpool debate. But - whats your opinions on Liverpool's current situation? I personally believe 1) they ARE a 2 man team 2) they have overperformed the past 2 seasons 3 ) Rafa is too stubborn and is a key reason they are where they are now and 4) they will be 6th this year. So far already Villa, Spurs, Chelsea and Sunderland have beat them, and the challengers to the big 4 already have points and arguably the more difficult games behind them. What dya reckon?

    No team is a two man team (or a one man team before Torres joined!), last year Liverpool beat top sides with out Torres and or Gerrard.

    Overperforming? They won the points they won with the players availible. So that was the level of performance. Logic really.

    Rafa is stubborn only a fool would say otherwise. Like most charactaristics this can be both good and bad. Today it was bad as he wouldn't get Masch on at half time when it was clear he was needed. Other times his persistance has worked in his favour - such as playing Kuyt wide right. For a while it seemed like madness (I was a critic) but he and Kuyt made it work. (and before anyone spouts crap about Kuyt not scoring or getting assists or defending from out wide - check the stats).

    I dunno where they will finish this year (though I will suggest not top) as all the "Big 4" teams will find 09/10 much tougher than recent seasons.

    ps kryogen, Royale with Cheese was being sarcastic I suspect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 smoochie06
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    Not done just yet. A win over utd next week and we are capable of going on a good run. Im placing a lot on next weeks game though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 220 DU.LLAHAN
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    whats your opinions on Liverpool's current situation? I personally believe 1) they ARE a 2 man team

    I dont see the point in sayin they are a two man team when the so called big two where both playin when spurs and villa bet them. Last year they didnt play all the games together and nearly won the league, Rafa is abit of a tool on match of the day tonight he said there was a problem with the team and they have to sort it out. He wont take any responsabilty for his mistakes, he played 3 at the back today WHY ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 Handsome Bob
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    The soccer forum, forever fostering the sensationalist and populist thinking of the gutter media.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,739 mayordenis
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    Everyone watch - Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story so I can say


    You're washed up, you're never gonna make it.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,739 mayordenis
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    The soccer forum, forever fostering the sensationalist and populist thinking of the gutter media.

    It's a petri dish of tabloid journalism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 kryogen
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    The soccer forum, forever fostering the sensationalist and populist thinking of the gutter media.


    eh....what? chap has stated his own opinion in the OP no? not anything from the media


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 OPENROAD
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    kryogen wrote: »
    eh....what? chap has stated his own opinion in the OP no? not anything from the media


    +1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 Handsome Bob
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    kryogen wrote: »
    eh....what? chap has stated his own opinion in the OP no? not anything from the media

    It's nothing that I haven't seen Ronnie Whelan, Paul Merson or Tony Cascarino say before, and their opinions have been easily picked a part. But it's ignored because Liverpool fans are the ones who pick a part their arguments and their biased right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 The Sparrow
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    Liverpool's problem is that if you take out Torres, Gerrard and Reina they are not much better than Sunderland and the like.

    I doubt many people will believe this but even at the start of the season when ppl were saying that Arsenal would drop out of the top four for City, I was arguing that Liverpool would more likely make way if City could put it together.

    Most Liverpool players wouldn't be regulars in a top four team. So no I can't see them being near the title this year. They went on a great run last year but that was with Alonso pulling the strings and even then it was masking the dependencies that they have on a small amount of players.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 Handsome Bob
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    Liverpool's problem is that if you take out Torres, Gerrard and Reina they are not much better than Sunderland and the like.

    Liverpool defeated a full strength Man U side at Anfield last year without Gerrard or Torres in their starting line up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 The Sparrow
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Liverpool defeated a full strength Man U side at Anfield last year without Gerrard or Torres in their starting line up.

    Burnlley beat Man Utd this year. Doesn't mean they are gonna win the title!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 Handsome Bob
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    Burnlley beat Man Utd this year. Doesn't mean they are gonna win the title!

    Exactly, **** happens, regardless of how good a team is. Liverpool were written off last season after they lost against Boro yet two games later the opinion of the tabloid media changed dramatically. I suggest you cool your jets mate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 970 Kirnsy
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Liverpool defeated a full strength Man U side at Anfield last year without Gerrard or Torres in their starting line up.

    according to liverpool fans, a balloon beat liverpool today (albeit without torres and gerrard) .... how high do you think it'll rise up the table?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 OPENROAD
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    Liverpool's problem is that if you take out Torres, Gerrard and Reina they are not much better than Sunderland and the like.

    I doubt many people will believe this but even at the start of the season when ppl were saying that Arsenal would drop out of the top four for City, I was arguing that Liverpool would more likely make way if City could put it together.
    Most Liverpool players wouldn't be regulars in a top four team. So no I can't see them being near the title this year. They went on a great run last year but that was with Alonso pulling the strings and even then it was masking the dependencies that they have on a small amount of players.


    +1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 The Sparrow
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Exactly, **** happens, regardless of how good a team is. Liverpool were written off last season after they lost against Boro yet two games later the opinion of the tabloid media changed dramatically. I suggest you cool your jets mate.

    I couldn't care less what the tabloid media write. I have my own opinion and it is that Liverpool are too reliant on three or four players and if a couple of them get injured they are in trouble. Even moreso this year without Alonso. And I have been consistent with that opinion since before the season.

    You know we don't all need the media to form an opinion.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 anplaya
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Exactly, **** happens, regardless of how good a team is. Liverpool were written off last season after they lost against Boro yet two games later the opinion of the tabloid media changed dramatically. I suggest you cool your jets mate.

    mate lol.load of bollix. tis was a bad result regardless,4 games lost so far this season,hardly title challengers .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 The Sparrow
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    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Exactly, **** happens, regardless of how good a team is. Liverpool were written off last season after they lost against Boro yet two games later the opinion of the tabloid media changed dramatically. I suggest you cool your jets mate.

    And no matter how much Liverpool fans don't like it, the ppl who wrote Liverpool off last year were right. After all Liverpool didn't win anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 Handsome Bob
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    I couldn't care less what the tabloid media write. I have my own opinion and it is that Liverpool are too reliant on three or four players and if a couple of them get injured they are in trouble. Even moreso this year without Alonso. And I have been consistent with that opinion since before the season.

    You know we don't all need the media to form an opinion.;)

    How do you reckon Man U would handle losing Rooney, Berbatov, Vidic, and Giggs?

    How do you reckon Arsenal would handle losing Arshavin, Frabregas, Van Persie and Vermaelan?

    How do you reckon Chelsea would handles losing Lampard, Terry, Drogba and Essien?

    How do you reckon Man City would handle losing Adebayor, Bellamy, Ireland, and Robinho?

    How do you reckon Spurs would handle losing Keane, Defoe, Lennon, and Modric?

    How do you reckon Villa would handle losing Agbonlahor, Young, Carew and Petrov?

    I could go on. ;) Every team has their core group of 3/4 players that make them tick, but it's been a long standing rule in the media that this rule doesn't apply to Liverpool.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,710 SlickRic
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    And no matter how much Liverpool fans don't like it, the ppl who wrote Liverpool off last year were right. After all Liverpool didn't win anything.

    i'm a liverpool fan, and much of what you said was decent, and we are struggling big time.

    but the above is utter garbage mate.

    so whoever comes second in the league should have technically been written off at the start of the season, no matter how hard they pushed?

    nice one.


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