An Irish Muslim Response to MPAC.IE

[FriarMo]

An Irish Muslim Response to “MPAC.IE”

Commentators have asked why more Muslims in Ireland haven’t spoken up against the disturbing and repugnant views expressed by MPAC.IE such as the stoning of women, killing of “witches” and homosexuals, prohibition on friendships with non-Muslim and condoning of slavery to list the most prominent outrages. Muslims in Ireland whom I have talked to are almost uniformly horrified by this website but also recognize its views represent those of an insignificant radical minority.

An earlier incarnation of this personal blog masquerading as an advocacy group was the so called “Gorey Muslim Community” that misappropriated a grander name to give the false impression of importance, that site has since disappeared. One might have thought that the Muslim community in Gorey had emigrated en masse but the truth is that after the Hijab controversy it was time for a promotion and to move on to a national stage with the “Muslim Public Affairs Committee” yet another hijacking of grandiose titles that gave an illusion of false importance, the “organization” is neither a committee nor does it speak for the Muslim community in Ireland.

Seeking controversy and lusting for media attention has led to one or two wayward individuals to join the sorry affair but that is the extant of it in Ireland, individuals in the UK often lend their support and this fraud is to perpetuate the illusion of importance and greater representation in this country. Fanaticism and controversy feeds the whole enterprise and for this reason the Muslims whom I have talked to see no point in providing it with the oxygen it thrives on and craves for which is attention.

MPACI.E is a propagandist Wahhabi “organization” and the danger it poses is in fermenting hatred and imagined grievances that might inspire the next generation of would be fanatics. But it is those who wait quietly in the shadows and infiltrate institutions such as mosques and youth clubs that pose the real danger and whom we need to confront and challenge as soon as they appear.

We in the Irish Muslim community have on the whole felt part and parcel of the wider Irish society for decades; this is the country where many of us emigrated to in pursuit of a better life and opportunities; or fleeing persecution, and freedom from religious, ethnic or political discrimination. It is a country that we in turn have contributed thousands of health professionals to, researchers academics and entrepreneurs and even a T.D. The majority of us are grateful for the opportunities afforded to us by this nation and not only do we respect the ideals of the democracy that we live in but also cherish them.

The likes of those running MPACIE need to be isolated and deprived of a platform in which to spread this madness whenever possible, debating them is like banging your head against the proverbial wall, at this stage of indoctrination only they can climb out of this behavioural and mental pit. Our efforts need to be concentrated on those vulnerable: the youth, the disaffected and the isolated who might fall into the same pit by the sirens’ call of extremists.

I speak for a substantial number of Muslims who share my sentiment and I hope this will clear the issue of the perceived silence of the Muslim majority whom by the nature of moderation lead varied lives free from the obsessions of these fanatic and cannot devote all their time to the ratings of fundamentalists in the periphery of the Irish Muslim community. The realty though is that when the occasion calls for it we must let our voices be heard and drown out it these extremists and I am confident that we will rise to that challenge.


Edited from:
antimpacie.wordpress.com

[wes]

Well said, FriarMo!!!

[EireMuzzie]

I asked some prominent imams in the Dublin area about this post, and the author's attempt to smear MPAC.ie as extremist. On the issue of stoning, killing witches, hijab etc - all the imams said, 'which Muslim does not believe this?' Is the author suggesting that these are not Islamic practices and if so does he have evidence for this?

[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

I asked some prominent imams in the Dublin area about this post, and the author's attempt to smear MPAC.ie as extremist. On the issue of stoning, killing witches, hijab etc - all the imams said, 'which Muslim does not believe this?' Is the author suggesting that these are not Islamic practices and if so does he have evidence for this?

Hmm. New poster alleges that unamed "prominent imans" agree with mpac.ie about, for example, witch killings. The same imans that the head of MPAC.ie constantly rails against on his web site.

EDIT: Here's Liam on mpac.ie only yesterday commenting about Ireland's imams:

http://mpac.ie/2010/02/02/pope-attac...equality-laws/

The current ‘leadership? [in Ireland] No, I’m sorry Sawsen, I have seen nothing positive in them. In 50yrs they have done little to advance the cause of Islam.

Worst troll ever.

P.

[EireMuzzie]

Originally Posted by oceanclub

Hmm. New poster alleges that unamed "prominent imans" agree with mpac.ie about, for example, witch killings. The same imans that the head of MPAC.ie constantly rails against on his web site.

Worst troll ever.

P.

Yep, it would be really wise to name the imams considering the response...anyway, you are at liberty to call any of the main mosques and check for yourself. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that such teachings are part and parcel of the hudood, and no one rejects them except the murtad.

Kind regards

E

But please, be my guest and call.

[EireMuzzie]

Could he also answer the questions that he left hanging on the MPAC.ie site:

1. Does he believe that Islam is the ONLY acceptable religion before Allah?
2. Does he believe that all who reject Islam and die in that state are bound for the hellfire?
3. Does he believe that Islam will subdue all others and that the world will submit to Islam?

His refusal to answer speaks volumes.

[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

1. Does he believe that Islam is the ONLY acceptable religion before Allah?
2. Does he believe that all who reject Islam and die in that state are bound for the hellfire?
3. Does he believe that Islam will subdue all others and that the world will submit to Islam?

Hi Liam - I guess this is another of your many aliases.

Do you believe that hateful provocations like this can lead to goodwill between Muslims and non-Muslims?

P.

[EireMuzzie]

'hateful provocations' deary me - ask yourself why he won't answer.

Kabour has demonstrated where his alliances lay, I guess truthful responses to the above would cast aspersions on his liberal tendencies and associates.

I'm not Liam - sorry to burst your bubble

[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

'hateful provocations' deary me - ask yourself why he won't answer.

Considering you're making veiled threats to report him to the Saudi authorities (I'm aware that MPAC has links to them here), threats that are against the boards.ie charter, it's hardly surprising.

P.

[FriarMo]

Egan, you deleted my posts after they were published and blocked me from the mpac.ie website. After a crony of yours accused me of “Kufr” or being an apostate you referred me for a "fatwa". Furthermore you have a “Ghamidi” carry out a line of questioning used by the Saudi internal security services (Maba'hith) on political dissidents and you repeat one of those questions in your last post.

MPACIE Stifling the Voices of Irish Muslims With Extremism


You now expect me to answer any of your questions?!?!

I am not an idiot and your attempts at entrapping me are not only immoral but also criminal.

Aiding a regime in human rights violations is an offence and if I am detained in Saudi I will be sure to have legal criminal proceedings taken against you.

I will stand up against your attempts to spread your hateful and extremist message in Ireland as will many others in the Irish Muslim community. Do not expect me to have a discourse again with someone who has used the intimidation tactics of thugs and the Mafia.

[oceanclub]

Seriously, Liam - who do you think articles like this help, which essentially claim that based on scripture, Muslims should be rude to Christians and Jews, and that simple politeness is actually "humiliation"?

http://mpac.ie/2010/01/31/to-whom-wi...rself-omuslim/

[EireMuzzie]

Originally Posted by FriarMo

Egan, you deleted my posts after they were published and blocked me from the mpac.ie website. After a crony of yours accused me of “Kufr” or being an apostate you referred me for a "fatwa". Furthermore you have a “Ghamidi” carry out a line of questioning used by the Saudi internal security services (Maba'hith) on political dissidents and you repeat one of those questions in your last post.

MPACIE Stifling the Voices of Irish Muslims With Extremism


You now expect me to answer any of your questions?!?!

I am not an idiot and your attempts at entrapping me are not only immoral but also criminal.

Aiding a regime in human rights violations is an offence and if I am detained in Saudi I will be sure to have legal criminal proceedings taken against you.

I will stand up against your attempts to spread your hateful and extremist message in Ireland as will many others in the Irish Muslim community. Do not expect me to have a discourse again with someone who has used the intimidation tactics of thugs and the Mafia.

They are very basic questions, and your stalling is laughable.

You either do or do not accept the premise that Islam is the ONLY religion acceptable to Allah - why won't you answer that?

I'll repeat the questions again:

1. Does he believe that Islam is the ONLY acceptable religion before Allah?
2. Does he believe that all who reject Islam and die in that state are bound for the hellfire?
3. Does he believe that Islam will subdue all others and that the world will submit to Islam?

Mr Muhammad Kaboor aka Friar Mo claims to be an 'Irish' Muslim. As he is a Saudi national, has he informed his government that he has rescinded nationality as it is not permissible for a Saudi national to hold dual nationality?

That huge throng of followers you have will no doubt want to see some response other than the whining above.

[EireMuzzie]

Originally Posted by oceanclub

Seriously, Liam - who do you think articles like this help, which essentially claim that based on scripture, Muslims should be rude to Christians and Jews, and that simple politeness is actually "humiliation"?

http://mpac.ie/2010/01/31/to-whom-wi...rself-omuslim/

Interesting article - I take it you'll move out of the way then as a sign of your politeness - problem solved!

[oceanclub]

Originally Posted by EireMuzzie

Interesting article

I take it you're not familar with the saying "self praise is no praise".

- I take it you'll move out of the way then as a sign of your politeness - problem solved!

So just to be clear, you think that it is up to non-Muslims to show politeness to Muslims, but Muslims shouldn't reciprocate as its a sign of "humiliation"?

P.

[EireMuzzie]

Originally Posted by oceanclub

I take it you're not familar with the saying "self praise is no praise".



So just to be clear, you think that it is up to non-Muslims to show politeness to Muslims, but Muslims shouldn't reciprocate as its a sign of "humiliation"?

P.

I was warned this would happen...funny how you and Friar Mo come on at the same time.

Anyway - I certainly think Muslims should be polite of course.