Catholics should boycott all church services till further notice.

gerajella · 16-03-2010 03:43PM #1

Fionnuala O'Connor makes the point that, since the Catholic Church is not listening to anybody, they [the faithful should make a gesture for a set period of time, and leave the pews empty, especially on high profile dates such as tomorrow, [St. Patrick's Day] and the Easter, although, since Easter week is not binding as normal Sundays are, The Holy Week should be exempted from this. The likelihood of shaming Cardinal Daly and the other senior figures, is from their attitude until now is doubtful, but it's worth a try. Otherwise they will take comfort that this obscene state of affairs can be continued in future without penalty for them. The full title of the Catholic Church is incomplete at present. IUt would be more honest to add 'plc' since it is clearly a commercial concern before anything else.

umpsfar · 16-03-2010 03:46PM

throw in the pigs and the government too..

jmayo · 16-03-2010 03:48PM

gerajella wrote: »

Fionnuala O'Connor makes the point that, since the Catholic Church is not listening to anybody, they [the faithful should make a gesture for a set period of time, and leave the pews empty, especially on high profile dates such as tomorrow, [St. Patrick's Day] and the Easter, although, since Easter week is not binding as normal Sundays are, The Holy Week should be exempted from this. The likelihood of shaming Cardinal Daly and the other senior figures, is from their attitude until now is doubtful, but it's worth a try. Otherwise they will take comfort that this obscene state of affairs can be continued in future without penalty for them. The full title of the Catholic Church is incomplete at present. IUt would be more honest to add 'plc' since it is clearly a commercial concern before anything else.

Speaking as a lapsed catholic who hasn't bothered going to mass for years bar the occassional wedding or funeral, I don't think Irish people will do this.
A fair chunk of Irish people would see it as insulting their local priest whom they may think is a great guy.
It's a bit like how lots of people claim they never voted for bertie as Taoiseach, even though they voted for the local ff guys who were seen to be doing good for the locals. :mad:

Besides Irish people, as can be seen from all the other scandals involving our institutions, just roll over and take it. :rolleyes:

mojesius · 16-03-2010 03:50PM

gerajella wrote: »

Fionnuala O'Connor makes the point that, since the Catholic Church is not listening to anybody, they [the faithful should make a gesture for a set period of time, and leave the pews empty, especially on high profile dates such as tomorrow, [St. Patrick's Day] and the Easter, although, since Easter week is not binding as normal Sundays are, The Holy Week should be exempted from this. The likelihood of shaming Cardinal Daly and the other senior figures, is from their attitude until now is doubtful, but it's worth a try. Otherwise they will take comfort that this obscene state of affairs can be continued in future without penalty for them. The full title of the Catholic Church is incomplete at present. IUt would be more honest to add 'plc' since it is clearly a commercial concern before anything else.

I couldn't agree more, but do you honestly think it's going to happen? My local church has never looked busier the past few months.

Exile 1798 · 16-03-2010 03:51PM

I think most sensible people have already boycotted the Church on a permanent basis.

Those remaining are perhaps immune to such concerns.

VERYinterested · 16-03-2010 04:05PM

Yes, I'm afraid it's the ones that go every week that will never stay away. Remember the crew that went on the Late Late Show to defend Eamon Casey and attacked Annie Murphy? The ridiculous situation of them arguing that there wasn't a full moon the night she said Casey seduced her, so therefore she was lying :rolleyes:

This type of vermin will always be there licking the altar rails and castigating anyone that dares to speak ill about their church, but don't want to accept that they are harbouring child rapists. They did nothing about them in the the past and will never do anything about them. It is up to people like us to demand that action is taken. I hope that their function is lessened in time and that one day they will cease to exist.

I am sick hearing that they are not all bad, but look right at the top down and they all appear to have something to hide. I am glad I have nothing to do with them, a crowd of sadistic subhumans.

junipergreen · 16-03-2010 04:11PM

Here's something all us lapsed Catholics can do to get a point across - leave the Church officially. In the process of trying to do it now myself, but can't locate my baptismal cert

http://countmeout.ie/

anymore · 16-03-2010 04:22PM

junipergreen wrote: »

Here's something all us lapsed Catholics can do to get a point across - leave the Church officially. In the process of trying to do it now myself, but can't locate my baptismal cert

http://countmeout.ie/

I am afraid you will have to go to the relevant church to get a new copy !
I signed as witness for a friend who did get a new copy of his B'Cert in order to defect from RC.

junipergreen · 16-03-2010 04:24PM

Thanks for the tip! I need to get out, the whole thing makes me feel sick.

IrishTonyO · 16-03-2010 04:25PM

Just one to be aware of using coutmeout, is that after leaving the church you may have difficulty marrying in a church, funeral in a church and even burial in a cemetery.

But other than these this is a good way for non practising Catholics to show their point with their feet. It reduces the number of Catholics officially in the world etc.

junipergreen · 16-03-2010 04:28PM

No bother, I have no desire to get married or have a funeral in a church anyway

There's no problem with being buried in a municipal graveyard, it's just the ones in the grounds of churches that will be off limits.

theg81der · 16-03-2010 04:36PM

If you can convince the masses that the Church and priests are not the same as God and religion you might get somewhere. But I fear you`d be wasting your time.

I`m catolic but I don`t go to mass, they don`t represent God to me, if anything the opposite.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-03-2010 04:43PM

My relations have been boycotting the RC Church since the 16th Century:)

anymore · 16-03-2010 04:43PM

I'd say a good start would to beto refrain from using honorary titles. So for me its Brady, Ratzinger etc

junipergreen · 16-03-2010 04:48PM

Absolutely. He'll always be Ratzinger to me, well that or something slightly more unprintable. I'm finding it hard to shake the habit of calling the men in black 'father' but I'm trying my best.

gerajella · 16-03-2010 04:52PM

mojesius wrote: »

I couldn't agree more, but do you honestly think it's going to happen? My local church has never looked busier the past few months.

Mojesius.. I'm afraid you're right, and the ironic thing is those who do go every Sunday don't even believe in the God they're worshipping so ostenibly. There's probably more actual believers among those who have stopped going years ago. It's more of a social thing in villages where everyone knows everyone else, and trot out on Sunday morning because they can't think of anything else to do. Benedict XVI is exposed as having done exactly the same in his own country. He's unfit to be in his present role, as was his immediate predecessor, who presided over this litany of abuse for thirty years. Depressing is it not?

bmaxi · 16-03-2010 05:04PM

It's true, the church probably don't care about lapsed Catholics but if they were to become Protestants, then you'd see some animation.

LookingFor · 16-03-2010 05:33PM

bmaxi wrote: »

It's true, the church probably don't care about lapsed Catholics but if they were to become Protestants, then you'd see some animation.

For the longest time I used to think that if I'd lived during the reformation, I'd undoubtedly have become a protestant.

Yet, here were are today faced with a Church equally rotten to the core, and yet I'm still technically a catholic. It's like I can't be arsed or something.

I wouldn't want to become a protestant now...I've a distinct distrust or pretty much any organised religion. And there's that little 'irish' part of me that hesitates about formally cutting ties with the church.

I lament to say it, but I think I, and many other irish people, are simply too weak to actually make a stand as formal as that (i.e. leaving the church vs simply lapsing).

bmaxi · 16-03-2010 05:55PM

LookingFor wrote: »

For the longest time I used to think that if I'd lived during the reformation, I'd undoubtedly have become a protestant.

Yet, here were are today faced with a Church equally rotten to the core, and yet I'm still technically a catholic. It's like I can't be arsed or something.

I wouldn't want to become a protestant now...I've a distinct distrust or pretty much any organised religion. And there's that little 'irish' part of me that hesitates about formally cutting ties with the church.

I lament to say it, but I think I, and many other irish people, are simply too weak to actually make a stand as formal as that (i.e. leaving the church vs simply lapsing).

I doubt you'd have to. The idea would be enough to have the Irish hierarchy gathering up their skirts and running to Papparattzi. They've no Government to hide behind now and the Government has no Church to hide behind. This is the true enlightenment, IMO.

Erren Music · 16-03-2010 06:28PM

theg81der wrote: »

If you can convince the masses that the Church and priests are not the same as God and religion you might get somewhere. But I fear you`d be wasting your time.

I`m catolic but I don`t go to mass, they don`t represent God to me, if anything the opposite.

Then you are not a catholic

super_furry · 16-03-2010 06:31PM

The thing is, many of the church going public believe that Brady is fully justified in refusing to step down. Listening to some of the comments on Newstalk yesterday was a real eye-opener as they interviewed some people coming out from mass. One lady claimed that the victims have 'had their pound of flesh' and should just let it go now.

IrishTonyO · 16-03-2010 06:31PM

Erren Music wrote: »

Then you are not a catholic

Afraid you are wrong there, once you have been baptised and confirmed you are a Catholic for life unless you are either excommunicated or follow procedures to officially leave the Church

Kiwi_knock · 16-03-2010 06:56PM

I know that the actions of some members of the Church has been despicable but not all Priests should be punished. I do not believe in guilt by association which seems to be the view towards the Church today. Boycotting of mass would be an effective message to the Church but I think it is unjustly unfair to a majority of priests who had no idea of the extent of cover up within the Church. They do not deserve to be punished as a single entity, remember they are human beings as well. How you would you like to be viewed as a child molester only because someone that shares the same profession and responsibilties as you has been convicted of being one. I know an absolute boycott of the Church seems like a great idea but I see as being unfair to those priest you had no idea of the corruption within the Church. It may be to some rotten to the core but the Church does have some shining lights who are trying to provide a better image of the Church. At least give the Church a chance to try to change its ways.

jennyjest · 16-03-2010 07:01PM

Kiwi_knock wrote: »

I know that the actions of some members of the Church has been despicable but not all Priests should be punished. I do not believe in guilt by association which seems to be the view towards the Church today. Boycotting of mass would be an effective message to the Church but I think it is unjustly unfair to a majority of priests who had no idea of the extent of cover up within the Church. They do not deserve to be punished as a single entity, remember they are human beings as well. How you would you like to be viewed as a child molester only because someone that shares the same profession and responsibilties as you has been convicted of being one. I know an absolute boycott of the Church seems like a great idea but I see as being unfair to those priest you had no idea of the corruption within the Church. It may be to some rotten to the core but the Church does have some shining lights who are trying to provide a better image of the Church. At least give the Church a chance to try to change its ways.

They are all part of the institution that covered up the abuse.
Priests and bishops love to try shift the focus back to to the abusers rather than talk about the decades long conspiracy to hide ad facilitate the abuse. Any proest who says " we didt uderstad" is part of the problem, anyone who puts thier vow of obedience to der furher ratzinger is part of the problem

bmaxi · 16-03-2010 07:04PM

super_furry wrote: »

The thing is, many of the church going public believe that Brady is fully justified in refusing to step down. Listening to some of the comments on Newstalk yesterday was a real eye-opener as they interviewed some people coming out from mass. One lady claimed that the victims have 'had their pound of flesh' and should just let it go now.

It would be interesting to see the age profile of those people. There is a certain section of society which can see no wrong in the church. These people have been brainwashed into never thinking for themselves, that every word which comes out of the priest's mouth is straight from the lips of God himself and to question any action by the church is to defy God. I don't think anybody will dissuade them from their beliefs, they see the Devil's hand in every word or action directed against the church.
What I can't understand is how they can't see the Devil's hand represented in the picture of two abused children, being browbeaten into agreeing to keep silent about their abusers by the very people from whose number their abuse s came. Was their ever going to be anything but one answer from them?
Now, one of these "bullies" is in the top office of this church that supposedly represents God here on earth, moralising and preaching to them on the evil of their ways and they see nothing wrong with that?
They deserve pity more than anything else.

Joey the lips · 16-03-2010 07:07PM

This have turned into an anti catholic discussion rather than what catholics can do.

Not that you want it but here is my opinion.

I will not be bicotting mass. I will not be boycotting my church. I believe in god i practise my faith. I believe that they who abused will be judged and this is when they will get there rewards.

I go to mass for many reasons I find it an escape where i can gather my thoughts and to be honest I enjoy it. As a catholic I must forgive these abusers this is where I have trouble and I go to mass to pray for strength.

amcalester · 16-03-2010 07:13PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

This have turned into an anti catholic discussion rather than what catholics can do.

I go to mass for many reasons I find it an escape where i can gather my thoughts and to be honest I enjoy it. As a catholic I must forgive these abusers this is where I have trouble and I go to mass to pray for strength.

Do you have to forgive them even if they show no remorse?

Genuine question.

Joey the lips · 16-03-2010 07:15PM

amcalester wrote: »

Do you have to forgive them even if they show no remorse?

Genuine question.

Yes as a catholic i do.

However as joey i find this difficult. In fact I dont think i would and I would not make a good judge. but regardless this does not make me perfect but my first rule has always been first do no harm. In other words live how you want to be treated.

fontanalis · 16-03-2010 07:16PM

bmaxi wrote: »

It would be interesting to see the age profile of those people. There is a certain section of society which can see no wrong in the church. These people have been brainwashed into never thinking for themselves, that every word which comes out of the priest's mouth is straight from the lips of God himself and to question any action by the church is to defy God. I don't think anybody will dissuade them from their beliefs, they see the Devil's hand in every word or action directed against the church.
What I can't understand is how they can't see the Devil's hand represented in the picture of two abused children, being browbeaten into agreeing to keep silent about their abusers by the very people from whose number their abuse s came. Was their ever going to be anything but one answer from them?
Now, one of these "bullies" is in the top office of this church that supposedly represents God here on earth, moralising and preaching to them on the evil of their ways and they see nothing wrong with that?
They deserve pity more than anything else.

Ha wha?

Erren Music · 16-03-2010 07:16PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

This have turned into an anti catholic discussion rather than what catholics can do.

Not that you want it but here is my opinion.

I will not be bicotting mass. I will not be boycotting my church. I believe in god i practise my faith. I believe that they who abused will be judged and this is when they will get there rewards.

I go to mass for many reasons I find it an escape where i can gather my thoughts and to be honest I enjoy it. As a catholic I must forgive these abusers this is where I have trouble and I go to mass to pray for strength.

What gives you this belief.

Were you at one with this god and church from birth, or did your parents force you into this belief system.

What will happen your beliefs when the church implodes in the next few weeks. What will you believe when you realise everything they told you is a lie.

What about the fact they have been fcuking children for years, and covering up this. What about the children they murdered?

How can anyone be so stupid in 2010 to support this nonsense.

Joey the lips · 16-03-2010 07:21PM

Erren Music wrote: »

What gives you this belief.

Were you at one with this god and church from birth, or did your parents force you into this belief system.

What will happen your beliefs when the church implodes in the next few weeks. What will you believe when you realise everything they told you is a lie.

What about the fact they have been fcuking children for years, and covering up this. What about the children they murdered?

How can anyone be so stupid in 2010 to support this nonsense.

This is not politics there for not worthy of discussion. You are simply trying to force your belief on others. As for being born a catholic. I dont I had much choice however I CHOOSE to remain and raise my own kids that way. Like you choose to do nothing. We are both free to choose and when my kids become of age I will appreciate them chooseing. However if they choose to leave the catholic faith I as a catholic will pray for there forgiveness. Yes you might think this stupid. That is your decision.

Any one care to actually discuss this topic or just burn the witches again :rolleyes:

Catholics should boycott all church services till further notice.

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