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Do MMA fans like professional wrestling.

  • 16-10-2010 04:29PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭


    I'm just curious, are MMA fans generally fans of professional wrestling? Alright maybe wrestling at the moment is going through a downturn but, do you like what the likes of WWE offer? Can you appreciate the fact they do 280 shows a year all over the world with little or no break with the wrestlers most of the time injured while they're doing it even though its "fake" ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,477 ✭✭✭✭Raze_them_all


    TheTwiz wrote: »
    I'm just curious, are MMA fans generally fans of professional wrestling. Alright maybe wrestling at the moment is going through a downturn but, do you like what the likes of WWE offer. Can you appreciate the fact they do 280 shows a year all over the world with little or no break with the wrestlers most of the time injured while they're doing it even though its "fake" ?
    MMA fighters get little to no breaks and what they do is real?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 337 ✭✭TheTwiz


    Are they on the road most of the year?

    I doubt they have 14 consecutive fights in the UK on tour and then 2 days later have a live TV show in the US. Even though a lot of people think what the wrestlers do is fake, when your simply body slammed on that ring it bloody well hurts. I have trained, so i should know!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Personally, I like both. I'm a bit of a kid at heart. Granted, I'm a much bigger fan of MMA.. but wrestling is still fun from a comedic standpoint. Santino Marella & Goldust are gold. I actually started watching MMA after Ken Shamrock & Dan Severn came to WWF. Pride FC was starting up around the same time - and their productions were very "pro-wrestling". Pride was full of pro-wrestlers like Takada, Sakuraba, Datsui & Otsuka.

    Sadly, pro-wrestling isn't what it used to be. It died when Stone Cold & The Rock retired.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    chalk and cheese, better comparison would be coronation street and pro wrestling, both soaps but 1 more for girls and other for boys

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    most adult pro-wrestling fans i'm aware of are at least casual fans of MMA (particuarly UFC).

    If only rovert was here to explain to us that pro-wrestling and mma are practically the same thing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Pro Wrestling is entertainment / acting.

    MMA is sport and real. Thats why I don't like Pro Wrestling.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    cowzerp wrote: »
    both soaps but 1 more for girls and other for boys


    Which is more for girls? I don't want to say what I prefer until ya tell me ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Devastator wrote: »
    Which is more for girls? I don't want to say what I prefer until ya tell me ;)

    i can only speak for myself but as a little boy i used to love the pro wrestling while girls liked soaps such as home and away, neighbours etc..
    i know 1 girl who is a wwe fan so im sure there are plenty..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland


    was a hulkamaniac when i was a kid

    could never understand how grown men would look at juiced up shiny dudes in spandex pretending to fight...just seems odd....but hey, whatever floats your boat :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    unknown13 wrote: »
    Pro Wrestling is entertainment / acting.

    MMA is sport and real. Thats why I don't like Pro Wrestling.

    You don't like entertainment or acting?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    My nan used to love pro wrestling. I remember being in her house at Christmas and she'd be telling me something and then she'd start shouting at the telly telling Hogan to kick him in the head!

    RIP Nanny!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,446 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Before i give my actual answer, i just want to ask
    TheTwiz wrote: »
    ........ no break with the wrestlers most of the time injured while they're doing it even though its "fake" ?

    Why on earth would you use this as a selling point for Pro Wrestling?

    Anyway, i used to love WWF as a kid. I loved the drama, i loved the characters, i loved the spectacle.............

    My brother still watches it and recently i sat and watched a show with him. There was a title fight involving 6 men. And each of the men were not only using their own name (John Cena, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho etc), there were no characters. Zero!

    All of these dudes were just big muscly men with real names and there were no gimmicks! For me, i loved the gimmicks! Like, when i was a kid and i saw "The Ultimate Warrior", he was a lunatic!!! But surely just a normal guy? NO! He came from "Parts Unknown".

    How mysterious! And The Undertaker. He was some sort of supernatural half man/half dead man! I loved it.

    Even when i got a bit older and stopped watching, at least they had larger than life guys like Stone Cold and The Rock! I thought The Rock was hilarious on the rare occasions i tuned in.

    But that has all gone.

    Also, another aspect is the fact that i like watching sport. And although i realise Pro Wrestling is very impressive and the guys who do it are very impressive.......... it's not a sport. It's a scripted show.



    tl;dr - Wrestling just ain't what it used to be. Give me a real sport any day!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    TBH this thread is going to be basically a Pro Wrestling bashing thread. I like MMA but I prefer Pro-Wrestling.

    A ****load of MMA fans wouldn't have gotten into MMA if it wasn't for Brock. In a sport where you experience the narrow-minded people calling it human-cockfighting I would hope that some MMA fans would at least treat it with more respect. They don't have to like it but to understand that it isn't a soap-opera. It's a physical art where people can get badly hurt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 253 ✭✭_oveless


    Has being badly hurt become a thing to admire and respect these days?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    _oveless wrote: »
    Has being badly hurt become a thing to admire and respect these days?
    No but it shows that it isn't in the realm of soap opera


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,594 ✭✭✭Fozzy


    could never understand how grown men would look at juiced up shiny dudes in spandex pretending to fight

    Is it any worse than watching sweaty muscular half naked men fight for real? :pac:

    I got into MMA before pro wrestling. I was a big pro wrestling fan for a long time but now I'm a much bigger MMA fan. Nothing to do with "growing out of it", MMA just presents a better product at the moment

    Saying that the two have nothing in common is missing the big picture. Both at their heart are about building to a confrontation between two personalities who have a conflict to resolve. I know some people don't like to think of MMA as a promotional business and prefer to think of it as a pure sport, but the fact is that MMA as a pure sport does not sell and if it weren't for the pushing of big personalities most of us wouldn't be watching MMA today because it wouldn't have reached the levels that it has

    The UFC boom started with The Ultimate Fighter. That aired straight after WWE Raw in the US and it was the pro wrestling audience who were responsible for the start of that boom

    Any MMA fighter who has done pro wrestling (or the other way around) has invariably said that pro wrestling is tougher and harder on the body. I'm unaware of anyone with experience in both who has stated otherwise

    There are many former pro wrestlers, guys who worked in the 50s, 60s, 70s, who say that MMA today is much closer to the pro wrestling of their days than pro wrestling today is

    Saying that MMA and pro wrestling are as different as MMA and soap operas is ignoring basic facts like all but three of UFC's heavyweight champions have done pro wrestling. The comparison would be valid if there were also that many champions who had appeared on Eastenders. It's ignoring that MMA in Japan was built upon pro wrestling. Actually, not just built upon, but promoted as such and achieved it's greatest heights because of pro wrestling. Saying otherwise is either being ignorant of the facts or refusing to accept them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Gerard.C


    MMA can thank wrestling for its biggest star of all time. The baddest man on the planet, Brock Lesnar. I like wrestling more than mma. Overall, it is more entertaining imo. Yeah it's not a real sport, sound for the inside scoop lads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭chordtype


    cowzerp wrote: »
    i can only speak for myself but as a little boy i used to love the pro wrestling while girls liked soaps such as home and away, neighbours etc..
    i know 1 girl who is a wwe fan so im sure there are plenty..

    Pro Wrestling, MMA, Neighbours and Home and Away would be my four specialist topics on mastermind. I don't know what this makes me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    _oveless wrote: »
    Has being badly hurt become a thing to admire and respect these days?

    It sort of has. You see it in MMA all the time. "You gotta give him respect for continuing to fight with a broken hand", etc.

    You never hear soccer commentators congratulating a player for playing on with a broken toe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Hail 2 Da Thief


    I have no interest in pro wrestling & don't watch it!
    Last time I watched it I was a very young lad, it was called the WWF & the Earthquake & Hulk Hogan were arch enemies!
    God I'm old!:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Kane was cool, fireworks go off he strolls out chokeslams everyone job done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭JJayoo




    Nothing like a good old fashioned chokeslam :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    The documentary "Red Trousers" sums up my feeling about MMA/Pro Wrestling.

    Pro Wrestling is scripted; nobody can argue with that.

    MMA takes real people punching, kicking and applying various grabs to another person.

    Pro Wrestling takes more than what MMA does I believe. It takes a lot of courage. A lot of us will get riled up and say "sure I can take that guy" but how many of us can walk up to someone else and say "sure, you slam me through a table, on thumbtacks, then I'll get right back up and lift you up and slam you through another table", not a lot of people can do that.

    No matter how skilled a fighter is; Pro Wrestling takes a Hell of a lot of courage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland


    you've asked so i'll answer :)
    Fozzy wrote: »
    Is it any worse than watching sweaty muscular half naked men fight for real? :pac:

    well like i said each to their own, who am i to say which is 'worse'

    ....my only point was i can understand an 9yr old finding it fun....but how a grown up can watch guys pretend to slap each other, pretend to hate each other etc .....i just dont get it....but no judgement, each to their own :)
    Fozzy wrote: »
    MMA just presents a better product at the moment

    better 'product'? dont get that. the flashing lights, bells n whistles does nothing for me. its just the actual fighting im interested in.

    Fozzy wrote: »

    Saying that the two have nothing in common is missing the big picture. Both at their heart are about building to a confrontation between two personalities who have a conflict to resolve.

    glossing over the fact that in one scenario its fake/pre determined and in the other its 2 competitive athletes seeing who has the better fighting skills is missing the big picture imo.


    Fozzy wrote: »
    I know some people don't like to think of MMA as a promotional business and prefer to think of it as a pure sport

    they would be naive imo. as soon as you are getting paid even 1 euro to compete then its not longer 'pure sport'...its entertainment.....however make no mistake the fighting is real and ultimately all that matters. you can have no personality not look the part etc etc....but if you keep winning you'll get to the top.
    Fozzy wrote: »
    if it weren't for the pushing of big personalities most of us wouldn't be watching MMA today because it wouldn't have reached the levels that it has

    well i would...but i agree with your point.
    Fozzy wrote: »
    Any MMA fighter who has done pro wrestling (or the other way around) has invariably said that pro wrestling is tougher and harder on the body. I'm unaware of anyone with experience in both who has stated otherwise

    i really dont get this point that is pushed by a lot of wrestling fans

    so what?

    most of the guys have serious problems with pain killers addiction because of the nature of pro wrestling.

    but so what if its 'tougher' and leads to serious injury....if anything that makes the fascination with it even weirder for me. to enjoy watching men on a lot of various drugs pretend to fight and in the course of that get badly hurt...odd.

    Fozzy wrote: »
    There are many former pro wrestlers, guys who worked in the 50s, 60s, 70s, who say that MMA today is much closer to the pro wrestling of their days than pro wrestling today is

    pretend is pretend
    real is real
    Fozzy wrote: »
    Saying that MMA and pro wrestling are as different as MMA and soap operas is ignoring basic facts like all but three of UFC's heavyweight champions have done pro wrestling.

    not sure what your point is? all have them have (real) wrestling backgrounds too....which do you think helped them become UFC champion more? throwing somebody into the ropes and catching them with a clothes line or practicing single leg takedowns?
    Fozzy wrote: »
    It's ignoring that MMA in Japan was built upon pro wrestling. Actually, not just built upon, but promoted as such and achieved it's greatest heights because of pro wrestling. Saying otherwise is either being ignorant of the facts or refusing to accept them

    yeah thats true...not sure what it has to do with anything? i dont think i'll ever understand how grown ups can watch WWE and get excited about men pretending to hit each other in pre determined matches :confused:

    just to clarify im not saying one is better than the other, just saying i dont get it...but each to their own :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    ...

    I know you were quoting someone else hence the "..." but come on: a slap in the chest off a 300lb bloke, a slam through a table and a lot more will hurt more since you have less adrenaline in a scripted match.

    Wrestlers generally get told "you win, you get the advantage and then the other guy suddenly gets a burst of energy". That can be as simple as to 6ft 200lb guys to something as body wrenching as 400lbs vs 150lbs. imagine being picked up and thrown through tables, against the ground (not padded, it does happen a lot without padded ground) and so on.

    It might be "wow, that's amazing" when I'm 10 years old but 10 years later+ and I thing "the Hell did he get up from that".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland


    I know you were quoting someone else hence the "..." but come on: a slap in the chest off a 300lb bloke, a slam through a table and a lot more will hurt more since you have less adrenaline in a scripted match.

    Wrestlers generally get told "you win, you get the advantage and then the other guy suddenly gets a burst of energy". That can be as simple as to 6ft 200lb guys to something as body wrenching as 400lbs vs 150lbs. imagine being picked up and thrown through tables, against the ground (not padded, it does happen a lot without padded ground) and so on.

    It might be "wow, that's amazing" when I'm 10 years old but 10 years later+ and I thing "the Hell did he get up from that".

    i genuinely have no idea what your point is? :confused:

    is it that because they are getting hurt or its painful its good?

    somebody repeatedly smacking themselves in the face with a hammer would be damaging and sore...some might even think they are 'tough'....but i wouldnt have any interest in watching it


    It might be "wow, that's amazing" when I'm 10 years old but 10 years later+ and I thing "the Hell did he get up from that".

    for me it was the same at 10yrs old...10yrs later i was wondering why any grown would want to see someone do that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    i genuinely have no idea what your point is? :confused:

    is it that because they are getting hurt or its painful its good?

    somebody repeatedly smacking themselves in the face with a hammer would be damaging and sore...some might even think they are 'tough'....but i wouldnt have any interest in watching it




    for me it was the same at 10yrs old...10yrs later i was wondering why any grown would want to see someone do that

    It's moreso out of entermaint really. I mean it's just a kind of... "the Hell do you do that" daily. Think of the fights Lesnar had in the UFC; compare it to him in the WWE (Pro Wrestling). It was less than 100 fights in over two years at least.

    Now do you see my point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ✭✭✭SBG Ireland


    It's moreso out of entermaint really. I mean it's just a kind of... "the Hell do you do that" daily.

    are you wondering 'how the hell do they put their bodies through that kind of punishment on a daily basis?

    well the answer is probably they deal with a lot of injuries and take pretty serious amounts of pain killers

    ...but....so what? working in a mine is fairly hazardous i would imagine...doesnt make it interesting to me anyway
    Think of the fights Lesnar had in the UFC; compare it to him in the WWE (Pro Wrestling). It was less than 100 fights in over two years at least.

    that really doesnt make any sense to me?

    are you stating that lesnar could do a lot more pretend fights than real ones? thats true...whats your point?



    Now do you see my point?

    im not interested in seeing people get hurt
    being 'tough' in a fake fight doesnt impress me

    i just dont get grown ups watching pretend fighting...but again i'll say each to their own, if watching someone getting put through a table is your thing then rock on :)

    now do you see my point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    are you wondering 'how the hell do they put their bodies through that kind of punishment on a daily basis?

    well the answer is probably they deal with a lot of injuries and take pretty serious amounts of pain killers

    ...but....so what? working in a mine is fairly hazardous i would imagine...doesnt make it interesting to me anyway



    that really doesnt make any sense to me?

    are you stating that lesnar could do a lot more pretend fights than real ones? thats true...whats your point?





    im not interested in seeing people get hurt
    being 'tough' in a fake fight doesnt impress me

    i just dont get grown ups watching pretend fighting...but again i'll say each to their own, if watching someone getting put through a table is your thing then rock on :)

    now do you see my point?

    One question: would you let a 5'10 bloke that's about 170lbs fight you or would you "wrestle" one bloke that's 6'5 and 400lbs in a "wrestling match" ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,887 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    But the current wwe champion is a pale ginger Irish man, go team Ireland :pac::rolleyes:



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