WIT IT .. your opinion

x3wiggles · 28-11-2010 01:38PM #1

I'd just like to point out the following as it concerns a decision I made and I feel I should reply to explain to nip any more rumours/misunderstanding in the bud. Seeing as there's a bit of criticism going on.

The reason why there is only a featured C&S section in WIT It is because it is unfair if the bigger clubs and societies are only getting featured and pushing the smaller C&S out of the picture. We encourage the chairs of every C&S to approach us about getting featured. As a committee, the journalism society believes that it is extremely fair that this is the case.

A point was made about the smaller clubs and socs not getting a look in with events and advertising. That's why WIT It features an equal amount of C&S. Regardless of popularity or size. The bigger C&S all have their own websites/Facebook to advertise their events. We would rather give everyone a chance of being featured instead of having it as a news source for big C&S.

We've been through this.

Also, WITSU's Education Officer's behaviour at events was mentioned. You mean to say that he was the only one drinking at a WITSU event?! Be realistic please. Everyone drinks at those events. Why single him out? A few lecturers go out drinking to student venues with students. They don't get slated on a thread on here. They are seen as "legends".

If WITSU's advertising is such a problem, have the courage to organise a meeting with Conor himself and discuss the issue.

I agree. It's not WITSU's responsibility to inform students of the government's stance. There is nothing stopping a student from picking up a paper, turning on the news or even just paying attention to current events. And in that regard, Facebook updates and links posted from the Irish Times etc kind of spell it out for them.
Are students that incompetent?

(WIT It also says "for feedback, please email us". Just saying.)

Sully · 28-11-2010 07:11PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

I'd just like to point out the following as it concerns a decision I made and I feel I should reply to explain to nip any more rumours/misunderstanding in the bud. Seeing as there's a bit of criticism going on.

The criticism is mostly about WITSU, not the paper.

The reason why there is only a featured C&S section in WIT It is because it is unfair if the bigger clubs and societies are only getting featured and pushing the smaller C&S out of the picture. We encourage the chairs of every C&S to approach us about getting featured. As a committee, the journalism society believes that it is extremely fair that this is the case.

But your not being fair. Because if a smaller soceity, or a big one struggling, wants to promote an event or put news in the paper (or pictures) -- they cant. Why? Because there either featured already or will be in the future. Thats not going to help. Big whop some people read about the society before - it will only grow and improve if there is a dedicated area with all C&S news.

A point was made about the smaller clubs and socs not getting a look in with events and advertising. That's why WIT It features an equal amount of C&S. Regardless of popularity or size. The bigger C&S all have their own websites/Facebook to advertise their events. We would rather give everyone a chance of being featured instead of having it as a news source for big C&S.

In regards to WITSU, not WIT IT. They can plaster the place with adverts (windows of doors, walls, bathrooms, pocket pouches they got installed, big blue noticeboards, website, text system, etc.). WIT IT allows you to get in the paper once. So if your featured already, tough look. I proposed this idea, I was to do the features in the paper but it was taken over before I even got an attempt. There needs to be an area where people can put in news on C&S - big or small - and get featured. The idea of featuring a C&S was to create more awareness, not make it worse.

We've been through this.

When I proposed the idea and said I would do it, there was never any question that C&S news area would be removed.

As for contacting Conor - who says nobody hasn't already? Not everybody is big into the SU and wants to speak with them. C&S will go to the C&S office about advertising and issues.

x3wiggles · 28-11-2010 07:21PM

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*luck

That's all I have to say on the matter as I am not going to fully discuss this with you on boards.ie as I feel we are just going around in circles and nothing is getting resolved or achieved.
So instead of ranting about it on an internet forum, how about we be grown-ups and talk about this face to face?:) Maybe then these issues will get to be resolved. Come to lunch on Friday. That way you can sort out your issues with the SU as well.
I just hate keyboard warriors. Nothing ever gets achieved.

MitchKoobski · 28-11-2010 07:59PM

Okaaaayyyyy getting back to topic.

While I would like to see some sort of handout or leaflet, I highly doubt anything like that will come about with only one weekof lectures left.

Sully · 28-11-2010 08:02PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

*you're
*they're
*that's
*whoop
*luck

Do you really want to be the lame one on the internet who correct spelling of others just because you can write for a college paper?!?!

That's all I have to say on the matter as I am not going to fully discuss this with you on boards.ie as I feel we are just going around in circles and nothing is getting resolved or achieved.

The circle only started...

So instead of ranting about it on an internet forum, how about we be grown-ups and talk about this face to face?:) Maybe then these issues will get to be resolved. Come to lunch on Friday. That way you can sort out your issues with the SU as well.

Iv spoken with the SU on this before, face to face, and with Clubs & Socs. As recent as Friday with C&S! Iv had cause to speak with Conor, whome I have a lot of respect for, in the past about issues with their campaigns pushing aside others. It continued.

A lunch isn't the place to discuss the paper, it should be just a "Thanks". A form of bribery even

At the next meeting I will raise it, whenever its called. Iv said it before at a meeting, over a phone call with yourself and ill happily repeat it again at a future meeting now that we are a few issues in.

I just hate keyboard warriors. Nothing ever gets achieved.

Ya would be VERY surpised! Many campaigns are succesfully through the internet. Keyboard warriors was the term used for people insulting each other, not giving Feedback on a discussion forum that the effected party doesn't agree with.

x3wiggles · 28-11-2010 08:06PM

Improper grammar irritates me as much as personal attacks do, Kev. You know that.

I suggest anyone who has a problem with the SU and the way they handle things that they go to Conor himself and sort it out there.

Sully · 28-11-2010 08:31PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

Improper grammar irritates me as much as personal attacks do, Kev. You know that.

There was only one personal attack, which I removed when you commented on it.

I suggest anyone who has a problem with the SU and the way they handle things that they go to Conor himself and sort it out there.

And for those who have and don't get anywhere?!

x3wiggles · 28-11-2010 08:36PM

Sure. If you say so, Sully. But only because you say so, right.
And it does get sorted out.
Let's get back on topic, shall we?

Sully · 28-11-2010 09:15PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

Sure. If you say so, Sully. But only because you say so, right.

Who else was targetted and insulted? Its against Boards.ie rules, and I haven't had any complaints yet and I haven't seen anything else personal. So either I am missing something, and your going to point me in that direction so I can remove it. Seriously, its important you point me in the direction of personal attacks.

And it does get sorted out.

Sure. If you say so, Wiggles. But only because you say so, right.

Let's get back on topic, shall we?

We are. WIT IT is a WITSU publication and this topic is discussing WITSU, even if people expect a tad to much from the role of the union!

celticutd87 · 29-11-2010 07:15PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

*you're
*they're
*that's
*whoop
*luck

That's all I have to say on the matter as I am not going to fully discuss this with you on boards.ie as I feel we are just going around in circles and nothing is getting resolved or achieved.
So instead of ranting about it on an internet forum, how about we be grown-ups and talk about this face to face?:) Maybe then these issues will get to be resolved. Come to lunch on Friday. That way you can sort out your issues with the SU as well.
I just hate keyboard warriors. Nothing ever gets achieved.

I tried discussing my opinions and annoyances over my article "the cobh comment" with yee and was basically told im wrong and was not listened to at all. That was all by text and i got passed off continuously. Thats all I have to say on the matter.

x3wiggles · 29-11-2010 07:24PM

celticutd87 wrote: »

I tried discussing my opinions and annoyances over my article "the cobh comment" with yee and was basically told im wrong and was not listened to at all. That was all by text and i got passed off continuously. Thats all I have to say on the matter.

We have discussed the matter with you since September. We gave you valid reasons. Whether or not you choose to accept our decision is another matter entirely.

Can we get back on topic now?

WAFFLES10 · 29-11-2010 07:39PM

ok 1. the union could do more for clubs and socs , let it be known that they are willing to team u on events or leave monday free every 2nd week to help socs get the crowds that their hard work allows for.

2. i dont believe WIT IT should refuse any content from a publication , regardless of whether its political or not, im very aware that last year their was alot of politics , but politics is part of evryday life and political societies shouldnt be penalised simply for being political, the WIT IT is a very different thing than the campus times (worse in my view) as it is totally a SU paper with some journalism society input, i dont believe the student population know what to make of it yet

3 backon point, the current status in our country directly affects students in WIT , the SU reresent those students and should therefore be more vocal on the issue.

4. Political societies are trying to inform but it is difficult as the SU wont support , the posters get taken down, and the paper wont allow it due to 'being fair to all socs' banner. rediculous, and before wiggles and sully have a go at each other again , il say this again the paper shouldnt refuse any content at all, have a politics corner or a update on clubs page, and that would be extra to the c and s bio page

x3wiggles · 29-11-2010 07:45PM

We have a limited page content. But we welcome criticism. Thanks.

WAFFLES10 · 29-11-2010 07:50PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

We have a limited page content. But we welcome criticism. Thanks.

so lets have less pages fom the SU then

x3wiggles · 29-11-2010 07:52PM

WAFFLES10 wrote: »

so lets have less pages fom the SU then

Wait for January.

WAFFLES10 · 29-11-2010 08:36PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

Wait for January.

what is happening then??

x3wiggles · 29-11-2010 08:39PM

WAFFLES10 wrote: »

what is happening then??

When the new issue of WIT It comes out...

celticutd87 · 30-11-2010 10:55AM

x3wiggles wrote: »

We have discussed the matter with you since September. We gave you valid reasons. Whether or not you choose to accept our decision is another matter entirely.

Can we get back on topic now?

And I gave yee valid reasons. It seems obvious to me that yee did not accept them.

celticutd87 · 30-11-2010 10:57AM

x3wiggles wrote: »

When the new issue of WIT It comes out...

I thought we were aiming to have the new issue out the last week of college ie this week?

Sully · 30-11-2010 12:57PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

We have a limited page content. But we welcome criticism. Thanks.

Didn't ye raise the number of pages for this edition? Also, YFG sent in pics to be included and a bit like the other poster here - when I raised the issue, I was fobbed off. The SU are not to blame apparently as its the Journo Soc who choose the content.

Its an SU publication and it seems to be the two fingers to C&S. "Only featured C&S, thanks all the same" seems to be the line.

x3wiggles wrote: »

When the new issue of WIT It comes out...

It went to print last week? It wont take a printer a full month to print it? I assume the content that was submitted recently will be published in WIT IT this week with the next edition next semester in January. I take it thats what you meant.

WAFFLES10 · 30-11-2010 04:45PM

so based on the last thread im posing the question 'What do people think of the new WIT IT publication????

my own view is the magazine doesnt work, there is too much SU content and also there is no critisism of any kind .

Sparkles:) · 30-11-2010 05:49PM

it's boring imo... i miss when the campus times had little controversial things writtten by "anon" whom had the exact same writing style as one avid FF-er whom I shant name...

It's pure pro SU propaganda, and I have absolutely no beef with the SU, I just believe the college paper should contain more than stupid ents pic and repetitive content

both issues so far have had the contact details for the clubs and socs... thats obtainable from the C&S office, or just put it on the SU fb or website and use that page for another 2 articles about C&S.
the agony annie i thought was very preteen, we had it in out 3rd year publication in secondary school

Google maps while interesting, not very eh, i dont know maybe imo it's not interesting, how about a students opinion something else something topical that effects us in our every day life...

It just seems to me that WIT it is very filler, tries to be funnier than it is, and has very little intelligible content at all so far... Not really worth picking up off the stands as far as I see it...

Sparksxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sorry wiggles luff you x

Sully · 30-11-2010 06:07PM

Mod Note::

Okay seeing as there seems to be an interest in speaking about the WITSU WIT IT publication, which gets content from the Journalism Society, iv split the discussion from the previous topic which was discussing the union as a whole into the new topic created by WAFFLES10. It did serve a purpose originally but there seems to be a growing interest in creating a specific thread about Feedback for the college publication.

No personal attacks folks. If you have a problem with a post, please report it, and the mods will review.

Thanks!

WAFFLES10 · 30-11-2010 06:15PM

no problem kevin,
i agree there is little intelligible content, ive friends who are in the journo society , and they say opinion pieces and other content are frowned upon, if for example the paper wanted to critique the college or the su its frowned upon and yet articles like that agony aunt nonsense gets in, the paper needs to be a paper and the journalism needs to embrace journalism

x3wiggles · 30-11-2010 06:16PM

Yeah. That's all grand. Rarely any of what comes in is actually serious, intelligent articles. This is of course not including clubs and socs news or personal columns.
We had one for the December issue. That's from Sully. We encourage everyone to send in stuff. So by all means if you want more serious content, then send it in.

Ah now. If you're on about personal opinion in relation to Cobh Comment even Sully can back me up on that.

Sully · 30-11-2010 06:19PM

x3wiggles wrote: »

Yeah. That's all grand. Rarely any of what comes in is actually serious, intelligent articles. This is of course not including clubs and socs news or personal columns.
We had one for the December issue. That's from Sully. We encourage everyone to send in stuff. So by all means if you want more serious content, then send it in.

What about a politics section, just smaller? Maybe more personal views rather then a repeat of what was in national press?

The problem with WIT IT is that is perceived as an actual WITSU publication rather then a "The Campus Times" paper. Even the name is fecking off putting.

Ah now. If you're on about personal opinion in relation to Cobh
Comment even Sully can back me up on that.

Which now?

x3wiggles · 30-11-2010 06:22PM

Sully wrote: »

What about a politics section, just smaller? Maybe more personal views rather then a repeat of what was in national press?

Then bring it up at the meeting

we'd be happy to accommodate. It was never suggested.

Sully wrote: »

The problem with WIT IT is that is perceived as an actual WITSU publication rather then a "The Campus Times" paper. Even the name is fecking off putting.

Again, we asked everyone at the first meeting to suggest another title but no one came forward with any ideas.

Sully wrote: »

Which now?

The decision with Cobh Comment.

Sparkles:) · 30-11-2010 06:24PM

the name is childish and it looks like a glossy mag that you read in a dentist waiting room, the campus times looked and sounded more professional...

and don't worry baby girl, when i start writing you wont know what hit you :P :P

WAFFLES10 · 30-11-2010 06:25PM

then its up to te journo soc to work harder and promote these kind of articles , people see it as a student union magazine in fairness , what writer finds that attractive , and this isnt an su rant but its either a college publication or a su magazine rite now no 1 wants to write or the su magazine

x3wiggles · 30-11-2010 06:28PM

Sparkles:) wrote: »

the name is childish and it looks like a glossy mag that you read in a dentist waiting room, the campus times looked and sounded more professional...

Because we didn't want the same rep The Campus Times did, we had to change the name. We had the option to change the title, same with the design

x3wiggles · 30-11-2010 06:29PM

WAFFLES10 wrote: »

then its up to te journo soc to work harder and promote these kind of articles

Do you want to join? By all means.

WIT IT .. your opinion

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