Freeman Megamerge

dermot_sheehan · 11-08-2011 12:18am #1

Apparently:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0811/1224302232246.html

ResearchWill · 11-08-2011 12:29am

That made me laugh.

MagicSean · 11-08-2011 6:36am

About time they stamped on this freeman bull****

aacs · 11-08-2011 7:47am

It's a really interesting and funny case. This Mr. Sludds has just invited wrath of judge in his case. lol

source · 11-08-2011 7:58am

I love it, when will these loonies learn that this freeman crap doesn't work. Fair play to the judge for sticking him in prison, but he should have been sent to a mental hospital.

Robbo · 11-08-2011 9:03am

I feel this freeman things going to get worse before it gets better, I've noticed posters all around Galway this week for an event promoted by that "Blank of Ireland" guy. He's got a bus pimped out with various nonsense. I'd assume that there's no tax, insurance or licence on the bus, otherwise he hasn't the stones to carry through with his ideas.

The posters are along the lines of "Clear all your debts now! There's no contract!".

mcmoustache · 11-08-2011 11:50am

A fiend of mine is into this rubbish and I really don't understand how he can swallow it. He quotes nonsense about admiralty law, contracts, new definitions of common words such as "understand" and "person" and seems to think that the current legal system is a work of fiction. It's like someone being convinced that there is no such thing as gravity. Discussing this with him gets nowhere.

Coincidentally, he's also into and believes a lot of the common conspiracy theories. There might be a connection there. He's from Enniscorthy too.

I'm delighted that the judge did what he did. People trying that nonsense need some sense knocked into them and the ironic nature of this is the icing on the cake. I can't wait to tell him of this case.

Reloc8 · 11-08-2011 12:20pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

A fiend of mine is...

Your subconscious is telling you something.

MagicSean · 11-08-2011 12:31pm

One thing I don't get about this is why he went to court. I very much doubt the summons gave his name as "Bobby of tha family Sludds" so by appearing in court he is effectively accepting his identity as Bobby Sludds. It doesn't seem well thought through on his part.

nuac · 11-08-2011 12:39pm

David Anderson is an experienced judge. He dealt with this man appropriately.

This freeman stuff is utter nonesense.

blueythebear · 11-08-2011 12:44pm

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

One thing I don't get about this is why he went to court. I very much doubt the summons gave his name as "Bobby of tha family Sludds" so by appearing in court he is effectively accepting his identity as Bobby Sludds. It doesn't seem well thought through on his part.

I think that they believe that the summons compells his birth certificate to attend and not the person themselves or something like that. This freeman thing is complete nonsense. I am delighted that he got put in jail and fair play to the judge who got it spot on. I'd love to see what happens the next return date.

If anyone knows the next return date, I'd love to know...

mcmoustache · 11-08-2011 1:04pm

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

About time they stamped on this freeman bull****

Has anyone tried to pull that nonsense on yourself in the line of duty?

If so, and if you're able to say, how did it work out?

bath handle · 11-08-2011 1:52pm

nuac wrote: »

David Andrews is an experienced judge. He dealt with this man appropriately.

This freeman stuff is utter nonesense.

David Andrews is not a judge, so he could not have dealt with it.
It appeards the individual in question failed to answer a summons last year and was probably appearing on foot of a bench warrant.

johnnyskeleton · 11-08-2011 2:25pm

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

One thing I don't get about this is why he went to court. I very much doubt the summons gave his name as "Bobby of tha family Sludds" so by appearing in court he is effectively accepting his identity as Bobby Sludds. It doesn't seem well thought through on his part.

+1.

Also, if the judge accepts that the person who stood up when the case was called was not the person named in the summons, shouldn't the judge have just proceeded to convict and fine Bobby Sludds in his absence because he didn't appear in court and it is a minor offence?

I imagine a night or two in the cells will soften his cough, but he could equally bring an Article 40 application and, if successful on some point or other, he will most likely claim that freemanism "worked".

dermot_sheehan · 11-08-2011 2:37pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

+1.

Also, if the judge accepts that the person who stood up when the case was called was not the person named in the summons, shouldn't the judge have just proceeded to convict and fine Bobby Sludds in his absence because he didn't appear in court and it is a minor offence?

I imagine a night or two in the cells will soften his cough, but he could equally bring an Article 40 application and, if successful on some point or other, he will most likely claim that freemanism "worked".

Of the same view, as in he deserved it for acting the maggot, but has reasonable prospects of being released on a habeas corpus application.

The Supreme Court has said that the District Court's power to remand a person in custody should never be used as a form of punitive sanction.

He was however in contempt of court given his back answering to the judge. He should have been asked to enter a plea, if he refused to a not guilty plea should have been entered, and trial should have proceeded. If the state made its case he could be convicted and fine/imprisoned appropriately.

And on top of the penalties for the road traffic offences, the district judge should have immediately sentenced him for some small period in custody for contempt if he back answered the judge as the press release seemed to say he did.

Finnbar01 · 11-08-2011 3:16pm

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

One thing I don't get about this is why he went to court. I very much doubt the summons gave his name as "Bobby of tha family Sludds" so by appearing in court he is effectively accepting his identity as Bobby Sludds. It doesn't seem well thought through on his part.

AFAIK, his court case came up in 2010 and he didn't attend. He was fined €300 euros in his absence or 5 days in jail if he didn't pay within a few months.

From what I get from the article, he was arrested and brought to court.

nompere · 11-08-2011 3:27pm

I read the story this morning, and thought it wonderful that he had been locked up for his stupidity.

It does seem, though, that part of his gripe is that having said he was "Bobby of the family Sludds" it was written down as "Bobby Oliver Sludds". Maybe Garda Michael O'Grady was a little hard of hearing?

nuac · 11-08-2011 4:04pm

Bath handle - you are right and I was wrong. Have corrected my post to Anderson. Thanks for that - perils of posting too quickly.

Kosseegan · 11-08-2011 4:06pm

dermot_sheehan wrote: »

Of the same view, as in he deserved it for acting the maggot, but has reasonable prospects of being released on a habeas corpus application.

He may have been convicted and remanded in custody for sentence. He could not enter a recognizance because of the confusion over his identity.

dermot_sheehan · 11-08-2011 4:17pm

Which would be fair enough grounds for remanding him, I assumed he was remanded pre-trial for motoring offences.

Tayla · 11-08-2011 7:51pm

......if what he said is true and the judge does have to produce his oath of office then the defendent is right and the case should have been thrown out......just saying!!

Also if the people involved in the justice system in Ireland were a bit more careful then we wouldn't have so many cases thrown out on technicalities.

Delancey · 11-08-2011 8:23pm

Great story - talk of being hoist by his own petard

, those freemen are total dicks.

ResearchWill · 11-08-2011 8:49pm

Tayla wrote: »

......if what he said is true and the judge does have to produce his oath of office then the defendent is right and the case should have been thrown out......just saying!!

Also if the people involved in the justice system in Ireland were a bit more careful then we wouldn't have so many cases thrown out on technicalities.

There is no legal requirement for a judge to produce his oath, under the constitution he takes his oath of office before certain named officals. if a person does not believe any official of the state is correctly appointed he can bring a writ of Quo Warranto Which is the correct legal way to challenge any official if I remember correctly it was done in relation to a judge of the district court some years ago I think he may not have had the required number of years of service as a solicitor or barrister, before he was appointed.

In reality in the thousands of criminal case processed through the courts a very small number are dismissed because of any what is called a technicality otherwise known as getting it wrong.

not even wrong · 11-08-2011 9:18pm

Tayla wrote: »

......if what he said is true and the judge does have to produce his oath of office then the defendent is right and the case should have been thrown out......

Yes and if my aunt was a man she'd be my uncle.

Tayla · 11-08-2011 9:24pm

ResearchWill wrote: »

There is no legal requirement for a judge to produce his oath, under the constitution he takes his oath of office before certain named officals. if a person does not believe any official of the state is correctly appointed he can bring a writ of Quo Warranto Which is the correct legal way to challenge any official if I remember correctly it was done in relation to a judge of the district court some years ago I think he may not have had the required number of years of service as a solicitor or barrister, before he was appointed.

In reality in the thousands of criminal case processed through the courts a very small number are dismissed because of any what is called a technicality otherwise known as getting it wrong.

Unfortunately I've known a couple of scumbags who got away with things because of stupid technicalities, that's why it bothers me!

.....but thanks for clearing up that the judge doesn't need to produce his oath

Our man in Havana · 11-08-2011 9:54pm

This is back on the list for September 17. Should be a fun day out.

Mr Jinx · 11-08-2011 10:00pm

Their complete idiots, how can someone even produce an oath ??

johnnyskeleton · 11-08-2011 10:50pm

Our man in Havana wrote: »

This is back on the list for September 17. Should be a fun day out.

Christ, a 5 week remand in custody without consent to a Saturday!

blueythebear · 12-08-2011 1:38am

Our man in Havana wrote: »

This is back on the list for September 17. Should be a fun day out.

I'll be the one down the back of court with an oversized foam pointy finger and a box of popcorn.

derry · 12-08-2011 10:37am

source wrote: »

I love it, when will these loonies learn that this freeman crap doesn't work. Fair play to the judge for sticking him in prison, but he should have been sent to a mental hospital.

Hi

I wouldn't be so quick to laugh at this guys plight . He clearly hasn't studied the subject of law well enough to know what he is doing in court .
Essentially he correct on many points but wrong in his methods and strategy sorta like walking into a lion cage with a whip with no basic lessons from the masters of lion taming the results are sure you will dinner .
Its The same with the courts you can have a basic grasp of the logic but often you still hit the buffers when dealing with a Judge who really doesn't care what is the truth and just wants to show who is boss at any price .
The price in this case is ~E1000 euro a day to us over taxed Irish tax payers to justify a Judge pride in the pecking order of Judges

I as a non law person have frequently attended the meeting of where we the sovereign people of Eire discuss the British legal system we Irish inherited from the British Crown
This is done to verify the reality that we are as a nation in Eire about as independent from the Royal crown of the UK as dog is independent when its on a dog lead . EG Ireland Inc is merely a subsidiary corporation in the UK Inc. with the Royal Crown effectively leading our country with a long lead they control our destiny more than us Irish do

This means our Judiciary system is the British system to the core with some minor tweaks slapped on top.
This is clear as daylight once you see that our so called Irish Barristers are in the BAR (British accredited registry ) and can easily work as barristers in the UK anytime they wish.
Our higher barristers in the Irish legal system senior council are in fact equal to Queen council. What is not generally known is many of these Irish senior council type once a year take a oath to the Queen .

Now we Irish full well know that the British legal system was never made to be fair but made to enhance the rights of the Rich lords over the serfs . Before the British came to ruin Ireland we had a equality for all legal system called Ancient Irish law or Brehon law .
St Patrick was so impressed with this legal system that he made notes of it which are still available in good libaries to day. Many countries more lucky than Ireland not have British rules have taken this natural law Brehon law legal system and use it as their legal system.

Brehon law doesn't make lawyers barristers or Judges large amounts of money so they detest it with vengeance as its a massive threat to their well paid taxpayers parasitic jobs and positions .

Well once many Irish are introduced to unfair the British legal system is versus the better Brehon law is they naturally wonder is it possible to change the system to the better cheaper system
To further this study they can and sometimes do join up with the peoples who go to the forums such as http://www.tnsradio.ning.com (TNS is tir na soir land of the free )or similar

Many others in Ireland and the UK however are attracted to promise of easy quick solutions on You tube video,s
These videos are often made in the UK which suggest that there are ways to fight back against the British legal system . I suspect this guy Studds is one of these

A quick look at sites like TNS would suggest that is high risk strategy with often bad results if you follow many of the how to beat the Judge in three easy lessons Youtube videos . Its not that many of the videos are wrong in principle of law but they assume that judges are of high principles and will tow the party line and stick to the facts .
In reality many judges are parasitic agents of the state with nearly no principles who would bang up their own grandmother even if she was innocent if there was enough cash or brownie points in it for them .

In TNS we have entered into courts and often won eg the Judge decided to leave the court or just throws the case out
Its sorta like one does when you get handed a hot potato kick for touch or pass the problem down the system until it get lost in the wood work and go find a more easy victim to string up like Studds

Our methods are different we don't assume the Judge will be fair .
So we don't ask the Judge for his oath we give him his oath . Once the Judge is on his oath he cant play funny games any more as the Judge not on oath can do pretty well anything he wants or invents legal or illegal.
The oath restricts a Judge to doing only legal things sorta like a strait jacket confines the football plaers to play footbal instead of boxing in the football game .

Normally most Judges hate that oath so much when we give it to them they eject the case rather than have to work within legal confines it makes them have to work under .Its sorta like before the football game there was no referee so fouls were a plenty . The oath is the hard nosed referee entering the pitch and the fouls stop dead

However TNS methods generally avoid going to court and have many better proven successful methods s to ensure charges never see the inside of the court system .

Note its charges not complaints that are stopped
Complaints are Murder ,Injury ,theft, fraud .
TNS does not do or have methods of avoiding this criminal law section nor does it even try to as that isn't the issue they deal with .

TNS deals with contract law and so called statues of law.
This means TNS will try to show people how not to have to pay back the banks money owed from mortgages when the victims lose their jobs and risk being thrown out of their houses .
TNS will show methods which often avoids court " charges" be it water tax ,income tax, car tax, council tax , bin tax, and other things including not paying court fines . TNS does not guarantee these methods work but often the methods have worked

This is because Statues of Law are not laws for the peoples of Eire they are only laws that apply to corporations

However the state finds extracting the fines from corporations less profitable than extracting fines from suitable unschooled in legal matters people who don't know the legal difference between common laws which apply to people and statues which are not applicable to people.

That means the state eventually invents all sorts of crazy Statue laws like you cant cut your hedge in April to you can go to jail for not paying the fines if a piece of paper goes into the bottle bank instead of a bottle .

The legal system and the state then apply these commercial laws to people who should not even be given these fines as they cannot apply statue law to people if they ran the legal system to protect people and treat people fairly in the legal system .

This means the state and the legal system is now very much a predatory fine and jailing system intent to fine us for even breathing air if they could ..

However in this individuals case clearly he hasn't a clue how many million methods the Judges have got to cut you to pieces if you enter their fine making industry factory the courts which are there to make a massive profit for the state . Nothing makes money for the state like the regulatory fining system its a license to print money and a license to take cash from our pockets for the simplest mundane minor deviations from the letter of the statue law

TNS methods do not encompass Studds logic variations of name as that is pointless swinging the monkey around stuff .
TNS never see any logic or benefit using or quoting legal books as judges are well trained in that subject and do not need more lessons correct or not correct on legal matters .
TNS errs towards using all methods that have often worked that ensure the case never ever gets inside a court room
The court room is sorta like walking the plank there is to big risk to fall off if you make only one mistake . TNS methods rarely mean any case ever gets to court and there is no fines no penalties so far touch wood .

The British legal system is built on the legal logic of British Piracy from the time of Queen Elisabeth the first "might is right" and winner takes all.
Further to this all British courts are built to be rigged in favor of looting the victims and have nothing to do with justice .
Trying to get justice in the British legal system and the Irish carbon copy version of it is like asking the pirate to only steal half your cash . You might get lucky and negotiate he only takes 75% but if he wants he can and often takes 100% of it .

There is nothing to laugh about when it come to court cases.
There are people in Jail today whose only crime is poverty they couldn't afford to pay the fines imposed on them for letting a piece of paper blow away when they put bottles in the bottle bank.
We the tax payers then pay for this jail terms so its crazy stuff .

The Judges and the state get fines for crazy laws and they keep inventing more and more crazy rules . Next thing before we know it if we pass wind they will fine us .

SO TNS appeal to people there are many ways to skin the cat but 3 quick lessons on how to run circles around the judges videos on the you tube are the sure fired way to end up in jail.
This guys Studds attempts at that method in Wexford show this up clearly.
Next time he would be better advised to look the many sites like TNS that have methods that have worked

Its taken the British 500 years to fine tune this unfair legal system to the point that it is now where its making the state a whack lot of cash in unfair fines and basic stick up the people legal robbery solutions .

It probably wont be a easy walk in the park or entry into one court room that will bring this British?Irish carbon copy legal system down on its knees .
However given time and as more people become aware of how the present legal system steals from the peoples they will join forces to agents like TNS .
Eventually TNS hopes that enough people informed in Eire could get the system changed towards the more fair system Brehon laws
TNS isn't out to change the UK to Irish laws it just want real Irish laws made for Irish peoples in Ireland .

Derry

MagicSean · 12-08-2011 10:50am

derry wrote: »

Hi

I wouldn't be so quick to laugh at this guys plight . He clearly hasn't studied the subject of law well enough to know what he is doing in court .
Essentially he correct on many points but wrong in his methods and strategy sorta like walking into a lion cage with a whip with no basic lessons from the masters of lion taming the results are sure you will dinner .
Its The same with the courts you can have a basic grasp of the logic but often you still hit the buffers when dealing with a Judge who really doesn't care what is the truth and just wants to show who is boss at any price .
The price in this case is ~E1000 euro a day to us over taxed Irish tax payers to justify a Judge pride in the pecking order of Judges

I as a non law person have frequently attended the meeting of where we the sovereign people of Eire discuss the British legal system we Irish inherited from the British Crown
This is done to verify the reality that we are as a nation in Eire about as independent from the Royal crown of the UK as dog is independent when its on a dog lead . EG Ireland Inc is merely a subsidiary corporation in the UK Inc. with the Royal Crown effectively leading our country with a long lead they control our destiny more than us Irish do

This means our Judiciary system is the British system to the core with some minor tweaks slapped on top.
This is clear as daylight once you see that our so called Irish Barristers are in the BAR (British accredited registry ) and can easily work as barristers in the UK anytime they wish.
Our higher barristers in the Irish legal system senior council are in fact equal to Queen council. What is not generally known is many of these Irish senior council type once a year take a oath to the Queen .

Now we Irish full well know that the British legal system was never made to be fair but made to enhance the rights of the Rich lords over the serfs . Before the British came to ruin Ireland we had a equality for all legal system called Ancient Irish law or Brehon law .
St Patrick was so impressed with this legal system that he made notes of it which are still available in good libaries to day. Many countries more lucky than Ireland not have British rules have taken this natural law Brehon law legal system and use it as their legal system.

Brehon law doesn't make lawyers barristers or Judges large amounts of money so they detest it with vengeance as its a massive threat to their well paid taxpayers parasitic jobs and positions .

Well once many Irish are introduced to unfair the British legal system is versus the better Brehon law is they naturally wonder is it possible to change the system to the better cheaper system
To further this study they can and sometimes do join up with the peoples who go to the forums such as http://www.tnsradio.ning.com (TNS is tir na soir land of the free )or similar

Many others in Ireland and the UK however are attracted to promise of easy quick solutions on You tube video,s
These videos are often made in the UK which suggest that there are ways to fight back against the British legal system . I suspect this guy Studds is one of these

A quick look at sites like TNS would suggest that is high risk strategy with often bad results if you follow many of the how to beat the Judge in three easy lessons Youtube videos . Its not that many of the videos are wrong in principle of law but they assume that judges are of high principles and will tow the party line and stick to the facts .
In reality many judges are parasitic agents of the state with nearly no principles who would bang up their own grandmother even if she was innocent if there was enough cash or brownie points in it for them .

In TNS we have entered into courts and often won eg the Judge decided to leave the court or just throws the case out
Its sorta like one does when you get handed a hot potato kick for touch or pass the problem down the system until it get lost in the wood work and go find a more easy victim to string up like Studds

Our methods are different we don't assume the Judge will be fair .
So we don't ask the Judge for his oath we give him his oath . Once the Judge is on his oath he cant play funny games any more as the Judge not on oath can do pretty well anything he wants or invents legal or illegal.
The oath restricts a Judge to doing only legal things sorta like a strait jacket confines the football plaers to play footbal instead of boxing in the football game .

Normally most Judges hate that oath so much when we give it to them they eject the case rather than have to work within legal confines it makes them have to work under .Its sorta like before the football game there was no referee so fouls were a plenty . The oath is the hard nosed referee entering the pitch and the fouls stop dead

However TNS methods generally avoid going to court and have many better proven successful methods s to ensure charges never see the inside of the court system .

Note its charges not complaints that are stopped
Complaints are Murder ,Injury ,theft, fraud .
TNS does not do or have methods of avoiding this criminal law section nor does it even try to as that isn't the issue they deal with .

TNS deals with contract law and so called statues of law.
This means TNS will try to show people how not to have to pay back the banks money owed from mortgages when the victims lose their jobs and risk being thrown out of their houses .
TNS will show methods which often avoids court " charges" be it water tax ,income tax, car tax, council tax , bin tax, and other things including not paying court fines . TNS does not guarantee these methods work but often the methods have worked

This is because Statues of Law are not laws for the peoples of Eire they are only laws that apply to corporations

However the state finds extracting the fines from corporations less profitable than extracting fines from suitable unschooled in legal matters people who don't know the legal difference between common laws which apply to people and statues which are not applicable to people.

That means the state eventually invents all sorts of crazy Statue laws like you cant cut your hedge in April to you can go to jail for not paying the fines if a piece of paper goes into the bottle bank instead of a bottle .

The legal system and the state then apply these commercial laws to people who should not even be given these fines as they cannot apply statue law to people if they ran the legal system to protect people and treat people fairly in the legal system .

This means the state and the legal system is now very much a predatory fine and jailing system intent to fine us for even breathing air if they could ..

However in this individuals case clearly he hasn't a clue how many million methods the Judges have got to cut you to pieces if you enter their fine making industry factory the courts which are there to make a massive profit for the state . Nothing makes money for the state like the regulatory fining system its a license to print money and a license to take cash from our pockets for the simplest mundane minor deviations from the letter of the statue law

TNS methods do not encompass Studds logic variations of name as that is pointless swinging the monkey around stuff .
TNS never see any logic or benefit using or quoting legal books as judges are well trained in that subject and do not need more lessons correct or not correct on legal matters .
TNS errs towards using all methods that have often worked that ensure the case never ever gets inside a court room
The court room is sorta like walking the plank there is to big risk to fall off if you make only one mistake . TNS methods rarely mean any case ever gets to court and there is no fines no penalties so far touch wood .

The British legal system is built on the legal logic of British Piracy from the time of Queen Elisabeth the first "might is right" and winner takes all.
Further to this all British courts are built to be rigged in favor of looting the victims and have nothing to do with justice .
Trying to get justice in the British legal system and the Irish carbon copy version of it is like asking the pirate to only steal half your cash . You might get lucky and negotiate he only takes 75% but if he wants he can and often takes 100% of it .

There is nothing to laugh about when it come to court cases.
There are people in Jail today whose only crime is poverty they couldn't afford to pay the fines imposed on them for letting a piece of paper blow away when they put bottles in the bottle bank.
We the tax payers then pay for this jail terms so its crazy stuff .

The Judges and the state get fines for crazy laws and they keep inventing more and more crazy rules . Next thing before we know it if we pass wind they will fine us .

SO TNS appeal to people there are many ways to skin the cat but 3 quick lessons on how to run circles around the judges videos on the you tube are the sure fired way to end up in jail.
This guys Studds attempts at that method in Wexford show this up clearly.
Next time he would be better advised to look the many sites like TNS that have methods that have worked

Its taken the British 500 years to fine tune this unfair legal system to the point that it is now where its making the state a whack lot of cash in unfair fines and basic stick up the people legal robbery solutions .

It probably wont be a easy walk in the park or entry into one court room that will bring this British?Irish carbon copy legal system down on its knees .
However given time and as more people become aware of how the present legal system steals from the peoples they will join forces to agents like TNS .
Eventually TNS hopes that enough people informed in Eire could get the system changed towards the more fair system Brehon laws
TNS isn't out to change the UK to Irish laws it just want real Irish laws made for Irish peoples in Ireland .

Derry

I disagree

12-08-2011 10:59am

I'm surprised it took that long to get one of them in here.

445279.ie · 12-08-2011 11:09am

Our man in Havana wrote: »

This is back on the list for September 17. Should be a fun day out.

17 August in Cloverhill District Court not Sept

blueythebear · 12-08-2011 11:11am

derry wrote: »

Hi

I wouldn't be so quick to laugh at this guys plight . He clearly hasn't studied the subject of law well enough to know what he is doing in court .
Essentially he correct on many points but wrong in his methods and strategy sorta like walking into a lion cage with a whip with no basic lessons from the masters of lion taming the results are sure you will dinner .
Its The same with the courts you can have a basic grasp of the logic but often you still hit the buffers when dealing with a Judge who really doesn't care what is the truth and just wants to show who is boss at any price .
The price in this case is ~E1000 euro a day to us over taxed Irish tax payers to justify a Judge pride in the pecking order of Judges

I as a non law person have frequently attended the meeting of where we the sovereign people of Eire discuss the British legal system we Irish inherited from the British Crown
This is done to verify the reality that we are as a nation in Eire about as independent from the Royal crown of the UK as dog is independent when its on a dog lead . EG Ireland Inc is merely a subsidiary corporation in the UK Inc. with the Royal Crown effectively leading our country with a long lead they control our destiny more than us Irish do

This means our Judiciary system is the British system to the core with some minor tweaks slapped on top.
This is clear as daylight once you see that our so called Irish Barristers are in the BAR (British accredited registry ) and can easily work as barristers in the UK anytime they wish.
Our higher barristers in the Irish legal system senior council are in fact equal to Queen council. What is not generally known is many of these Irish senior council type once a year take a oath to the Queen .

Now we Irish full well know that the British legal system was never made to be fair but made to enhance the rights of the Rich lords over the serfs . Before the British came to ruin Ireland we had a equality for all legal system called Ancient Irish law or Brehon law .
St Patrick was so impressed with this legal system that he made notes of it which are still available in good libaries to day. Many countries more lucky than Ireland not have British rules have taken this natural law Brehon law legal system and use it as their legal system.

Brehon law doesn't make lawyers barristers or Judges large amounts of money so they detest it with vengeance as its a massive threat to their well paid taxpayers parasitic jobs and positions .

Well once many Irish are introduced to unfair the British legal system is versus the better Brehon law is they naturally wonder is it possible to change the system to the better cheaper system
To further this study they can and sometimes do join up with the peoples who go to the forums such as http://www.tnsradio.ning.com (TNS is tir na soir land of the free )or similar

Many others in Ireland and the UK however are attracted to promise of easy quick solutions on You tube video,s
These videos are often made in the UK which suggest that there are ways to fight back against the British legal system . I suspect this guy Studds is one of these

A quick look at sites like TNS would suggest that is high risk strategy with often bad results if you follow many of the how to beat the Judge in three easy lessons Youtube videos . Its not that many of the videos are wrong in principle of law but they assume that judges are of high principles and will tow the party line and stick to the facts .
In reality many judges are parasitic agents of the state with nearly no principles who would bang up their own grandmother even if she was innocent if there was enough cash or brownie points in it for them .

In TNS we have entered into courts and often won eg the Judge decided to leave the court or just throws the case out
Its sorta like one does when you get handed a hot potato kick for touch or pass the problem down the system until it get lost in the wood work and go find a more easy victim to string up like Studds

Our methods are different we don't assume the Judge will be fair .
So we don't ask the Judge for his oath we give him his oath . Once the Judge is on his oath he cant play funny games any more as the Judge not on oath can do pretty well anything he wants or invents legal or illegal.
The oath restricts a Judge to doing only legal things sorta like a strait jacket confines the football plaers to play footbal instead of boxing in the football game .

Normally most Judges hate that oath so much when we give it to them they eject the case rather than have to work within legal confines it makes them have to work under .Its sorta like before the football game there was no referee so fouls were a plenty . The oath is the hard nosed referee entering the pitch and the fouls stop dead

However TNS methods generally avoid going to court and have many better proven successful methods s to ensure charges never see the inside of the court system .

Note its charges not complaints that are stopped
Complaints are Murder ,Injury ,theft, fraud .
TNS does not do or have methods of avoiding this criminal law section nor does it even try to as that isn't the issue they deal with .

TNS deals with contract law and so called statues of law.
This means TNS will try to show people how not to have to pay back the banks money owed from mortgages when the victims lose their jobs and risk being thrown out of their houses .
TNS will show methods which often avoids court " charges" be it water tax ,income tax, car tax, council tax , bin tax, and other things including not paying court fines . TNS does not guarantee these methods work but often the methods have worked

This is because Statues of Law are not laws for the peoples of Eire they are only laws that apply to corporations

However the state finds extracting the fines from corporations less profitable than extracting fines from suitable unschooled in legal matters people who don't know the legal difference between common laws which apply to people and statues which are not applicable to people.

That means the state eventually invents all sorts of crazy Statue laws like you cant cut your hedge in April to you can go to jail for not paying the fines if a piece of paper goes into the bottle bank instead of a bottle .

The legal system and the state then apply these commercial laws to people who should not even be given these fines as they cannot apply statue law to people if they ran the legal system to protect people and treat people fairly in the legal system .

This means the state and the legal system is now very much a predatory fine and jailing system intent to fine us for even breathing air if they could ..

However in this individuals case clearly he hasn't a clue how many million methods the Judges have got to cut you to pieces if you enter their fine making industry factory the courts which are there to make a massive profit for the state . Nothing makes money for the state like the regulatory fining system its a license to print money and a license to take cash from our pockets for the simplest mundane minor deviations from the letter of the statue law

TNS methods do not encompass Studds logic variations of name as that is pointless swinging the monkey around stuff .
TNS never see any logic or benefit using or quoting legal books as judges are well trained in that subject and do not need more lessons correct or not correct on legal matters .
TNS errs towards using all methods that have often worked that ensure the case never ever gets inside a court room
The court room is sorta like walking the plank there is to big risk to fall off if you make only one mistake . TNS methods rarely mean any case ever gets to court and there is no fines no penalties so far touch wood .

The British legal system is built on the legal logic of British Piracy from the time of Queen Elisabeth the first "might is right" and winner takes all.
Further to this all British courts are built to be rigged in favor of looting the victims and have nothing to do with justice .
Trying to get justice in the British legal system and the Irish carbon copy version of it is like asking the pirate to only steal half your cash . You might get lucky and negotiate he only takes 75% but if he wants he can and often takes 100% of it .

There is nothing to laugh about when it come to court cases.
There are people in Jail today whose only crime is poverty they couldn't afford to pay the fines imposed on them for letting a piece of paper blow away when they put bottles in the bottle bank.
We the tax payers then pay for this jail terms so its crazy stuff .

The Judges and the state get fines for crazy laws and they keep inventing more and more crazy rules . Next thing before we know it if we pass wind they will fine us .

SO TNS appeal to people there are many ways to skin the cat but 3 quick lessons on how to run circles around the judges videos on the you tube are the sure fired way to end up in jail.
This guys Studds attempts at that method in Wexford show this up clearly.
Next time he would be better advised to look the many sites like TNS that have methods that have worked

Its taken the British 500 years to fine tune this unfair legal system to the point that it is now where its making the state a whack lot of cash in unfair fines and basic stick up the people legal robbery solutions .

It probably wont be a easy walk in the park or entry into one court room that will bring this British?Irish carbon copy legal system down on its knees .
However given time and as more people become aware of how the present legal system steals from the peoples they will join forces to agents like TNS .
Eventually TNS hopes that enough people informed in Eire could get the system changed towards the more fair system Brehon laws
TNS isn't out to change the UK to Irish laws it just want real Irish laws made for Irish peoples in Ireland .

Derry

You lost all credibility with me when you couldn't even spell "counsel" correctly but anyway...

derry wrote: »

This is because Statues of Law are not laws for the peoples of Eire they are only laws that apply to corporations

This is rubbish, as is this:

derry wrote: »

legal difference between common laws which apply to people and statues which are not applicable to people.

derry wrote: »

There are people in Jail today whose only crime is poverty they couldn't afford to pay the fines imposed on them

Those people that are in jail for failing to pay fines are there because they have refused to pay. If they outlined that they are unable to pay the fine, then they would not be in prison.

See the McCann case which holds that a person who is unable to pay a debt should not be imprisoned.

http://www.courts.ie/judgments.nsf/6681dee4565ecf2c80256e7e0052005b/c70d9db2f22e09e9802575fc003c52a4?OpenDocument&Highlight=0,McCann

What you are preaching is dangerous because people with no clue about law will try this stuff, making a simple fine for speeding turn into a big deal involving arrest, imprisonment and a criminal record that will follow the person around forever, impacting future travel opportunities as well as future job opportunities.

If you want to change the legal system, become a politician or lobby a politician for the changes you want. The problem is that you don't want fines for things like littering, speeding, road tax, etc. How would you suggest enforcing such things or are you suggesting that income tax, road tax, bin charges, etc should not be paid?

Where does the Government get cash to run the country? You're not living in the real world at all and everything you are suggesting is not grounded in reality whatsoever.

You're holding yourself out as some kind of legitimate movement to undo the injustice of the Irish legal system when in reality your whole purpose is based on the fact that you don't want to pay for public services. Hiding behind a veneer of rightousness to hide the essential fact is that you're trying to avoid paying a few quid.

It genuinely depresses me that people would i) believe this cr*p and ii) that people would be so dishonest as to claim that this is a movement for fairness in the Irish legal system when it's purely a measure for cheap people to avoid paying for services.

shaneybaby · 12-08-2011 11:16am

445279.ie wrote: »

17 August in Cloverhill District Court not Sept

Yeah i thought the same but to be fair the Independent link does say september. 17th Sept is a saturday as well sure.

12-08-2011 11:29am

derry wrote: »

This means our Judiciary system is the British system to the core with some minor tweaks slapped on top.
This is clear as daylight once you see that our so called Irish Barristers are in the BAR (British accredited registry ) and can easily work as barristers in the UK anytime they wish.

This is my favourite part. Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory. Well played that man

McCrack · 12-08-2011 12:08pm

Derry do you have a job or are you still on the "scratch" you referred to in previous posts on a different topic that I took the liberty of checking to see what kind of person you are. Your previous posts are also odd to say the least.

You also stated you had 3 unregistered mobiles so the authorities can't track you.

It's all very tinfoil hat stuff and I respectfully suggest you consult with your G.P. who might refer you to a Consultant Psychiatrist for assessment.

I'm not joking.

jhegarty · 12-08-2011 12:09pm

derry wrote: »

In TNS we have entered into courts and often won eg the Judge decided to leave the court or just throws the case out

Why don't you link to a few of the cases, just we can all see these victories.

TylerIE · 12-08-2011 12:47pm

Robbo wrote: »

I feel this freeman things going to get worse before it gets better, I've noticed posters all around Galway this week for an event promoted by that "Blank of Ireland" guy. He's got a bus pimped out with various nonsense. I'd assume that there's no tax, insurance or licence on the bus, otherwise he hasn't the stones to carry through with his ideas.

The posters are along the lines of "Clear all your debts now! There's no contract!".

It appears the bus has also suffered the wrath of the law., after the driver was arrested in Claremorris, and spent a night or two in Castlerea.

These people are promoting dangerous ideas - there was a standoff in the North East recently where a man had his business repossessed. Someone put him in touch with the "radio station" mentioned above, where the "presenter" told him to "Arrest" the people who were repossessing his property. There was a 2-3 hour farce where you could hear the man (in his distraught desperation on losing his business) clutch at straws by blindly following the suggestions of those on this TNS radio. They also told him that "thousands" of people were listening across the world. They even kept getting cut off as they were using skype or similar and ran out of credit, and were talking "on air" of who would top up with "a few euro".

It would have been laughable only for how desperate the poor man was.

Wolfe Tone · 12-08-2011 12:54pm

I'd love to see one of these guys in court, takes a fair amount of balls to come out with that stuff to a judge.

As for the freeman stuff simply being a way to 'get away' without paying things, strictly speaking thats not correct. At its core its about how they view society as unfair, or more fundamentally, the fact that they 'didn't sign up' to the countries laws etc. They want to be left alone really.

You should read the site, it's interesting.

source · 12-08-2011 1:06pm

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

I disagree

Derry I was going to reply but I think Seanbeag1 put it best above, also I would like to add WOW!!!! I honestly tried reading your post but I got so annoyed by the stupid points you were trying to make I just stopped.

Wile E. Coyote · 12-08-2011 1:20pm

Just wondering...if this guy has a bank account/passport in the name of Bobby Sludds but still claims that he is not Bobby Sludds could he be done for identity theft or have his bank account frozen until the real Bobby Sludds takes ownership of it? Similarly Derry above. If he is on the dole I assume he is claiming it using the name on his birth cert and not in the form Derry of the family... If he ended up in court and refused to acknowledge the name he was summoned under could he have all his benefits stopped?

Het-Field · 12-08-2011 1:29pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I'd love to see one of these guys in court, takes a fair amount of balls to come out with that stuff to a judge.

As for the freeman stuff simply being a way to 'get away' without paying things, strictly speaking thats not correct. At its core its about how they view society as unfair, or more fundamentally, the fact that they 'didn't sign up' to the countries laws etc. They want to be left alone really.

You should read the site, it's interesting.

Interesting, but extremely dangerous and foolhardy to attempt in Court. Mr Sludds has discovered this to his detriment. If Mr Sludds was not claiming a legal or constitutional right to have his case heard by a court with jurisdication, all he was doing was simply attempting to obstruct the court from performing its functions, and obstruct his prosecution. That is a pointless exercise, and any success which may have accrued on the basis of such disorder will dry up, as the Courts will respond in a swift and robust manner to stamp such rubbish out

Nobody has a right to opt out of a country's laws on the basis that "victimless crimes" are corporate matters, and the alleged contract between the individual and the state is null and void in the first place, as "common law" is the only law which applies to the individual. It is a subjective, and unascertainable moral perspective, which has no place in the promulgation, or the enforcement of laws.

johnnyskeleton · 12-08-2011 1:47pm

lst wrote: »

These people are promoting dangerous ideas

I don't think their ideas are dangerous, but just simply wrong. If someone reads this thread and sees that the majority of posters believe the fremen stuff is wrong, giving reasons as to why it is wrong, but they want to try it anyway, fair play to them. Who knows what will happen, but once they are aware that these points are not rational, they can bang them out if they wish and will be therefore able to take the consequences.

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

As for the freeman stuff simply being a way to 'get away' without paying things, strictly speaking thats not correct. At its core its about how they view society as unfair, or more fundamentally, the fact that they 'didn't sign up' to the countries laws etc. They want to be left alone really.

They're like the "libertarian" posters in the politics forum in so many ways.

Shelflife · 12-08-2011 1:57pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I'd love to see one of these guys in court, takes a fair amount of balls to come out with that stuff to a judge.

As for the freeman stuff simply being a way to 'get away' without paying things, strictly speaking thats not correct. At its core its about how they view society as unfair, or more fundamentally, the fact that they 'didn't sign up' to the countries laws etc. They want to be left alone really.

You should read the site, it's interesting.

thats the way i read it as well, they seem to want to avoid all the "bad" stuff like taxes,fines and contracts that dont suit them in the end , yet they still want a health and education system and im sure that if their house was under threat they would want the guards and the fires service there to help them.

Im sure that any dole or childrens allowance wouldnt be refused either.

Bit of a childish attitude, i want it all but dont want to pay, and then refuse to take responsibility for their actions.

Finnbar01 · 12-08-2011 1:59pm

Apparently the cops have made a mistake with the warrant and Mr Sludds could be released today.

I read it on this thread here, yes it is a freeman thread that came up when I google Mr Sludds name.

I would NOT go with any of the advice on it. I'm not trying to promote that.

http://freemanireland.ning.com/forum/topics/man-questions-garda-s-right-to-prosecute-him?commentId=3214356%3AComment%3A282861&xg_source=activity

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

They're like the "libertarian" posters in the politics forum in so many ways.

Like but not necessarily the same.

MapForJ · 12-08-2011 2:37pm

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Apparently the cops have made a mistake with the warrant and Mr Sludds could be released today.

I read it on this thread here, yes it is a freeman thread that came up when I google Mr Sludds name.

I would NOT go with any of the advice on it. I'm not trying to promote that.

http://freemanireland.ning.com/forum/topics/man-questions-garda-s-right-to-prosecute-him?commentId=3214356%3AComment%3A282861&xg_source=activity

Like but not necessarily the same.

they will claim that as a result of their actions and beliefs. they seem to do that a lot, if there is a technical error that results in a case being dropped they claim it as success of their methods. They say

"I am a flesh and blood man, with a God given soul"

Now this is a serious question but what if an athiest wanted to be a freeman how could he claim God given soul?

TylerIE · 12-08-2011 3:34pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I don't think their ideas are dangerous, but just simply wrong. If someone reads this thread and sees that the majority of posters believe the fremen stuff is wrong, giving reasons as to why it is wrong, but they want to try it anyway, fair play to them. Who knows what will happen, but once they are aware that these points are not rational, they can bang them out if they wish and will be therefore able to take the consequences.

I use the word dangerous as some vulnerable innocents take this stuff to be legit, and end up in the same position as the person this thread is about.

Id looked at some of their drivel material a few months ago when that businessman had his premises reposessed. Initially I listened to their "radio" and what they were telling him, assuring him that they "werent giving legal advice" but were just suggesting or telling him what the law was.... I also listened to a previous court case where similar to the guy in this thread a man was imprisoneded for spouting this freeman material.

If people in real debt trouble find these TNS etc websites, read it, believe it, attempt to apply it thinking its the end of all their troubles, they really could land themselves in a position so much worse off - with no access to finance, banks, transport, or even their house. Thats why I call it dangerous.

Robbo · 12-08-2011 3:45pm

lst wrote: »

I use the word dangerous as some vulnerable innocents take this stuff to be legit, and end up in the same position as the person this thread is about.

Id looked at some of their drivel material a few months ago when that businessman had his premises reposessed. Initially I listened to their "radio" and what they were telling him, assuring him that they "werent giving legal advice" but were just suggesting or telling him what the law was.... I also listened to a previous court case where similar to the guy in this thread a man was imprisoneded for spouting this freeman material.

If people in real debt trouble find these TNS etc websites, read it, believe it, attempt to apply it thinking its the end of all their troubles, they really could land themselves in a position so much worse off - with no access to finance, banks, transport, or even their house. Thats why I call it dangerous.

Unemployment, not being happy with your lot, too much time on the internet and a vulnerable gullibility all seem to drive people to it.

And it also appeals to a certain type in that invariably, the "free the weed" aspect of it gets brought up...

Finnbar01 · 12-08-2011 3:45pm

I just heard he's after been released.

Finnbar01 · 12-08-2011 5:37pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Christ, a 5 week remand in custody without consent to a Saturday!

It's the 17th of this month, next Wednesday.

http://www.tv3.ie/news.php?request=&tv3_preview=&video=38887

This is after back firing big time. Mr Sludds is after drawn massive attention to what he tried to achieve. You can be sure that a lot of people will try this method in court going forward.

The judge was a pompous ass for jailing him in the first place. He shot himself in the foot.

Freeman Megamerge

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