Liverpool FC News/Gossip/Rumours Summer '15

SlickRic · 31-05-2015 1:41pm #1

Klopp is awesome.
Rodgers has been hard done by.
Ancelotti wouldn't go near us.
I love Stevie.
FSG are useless.
Aubamayang, Benteke, Icardi, Lacazette and Clyne are joining for a combined £600m...

...basically what Sterling is looking for a week.

Have at it in your shiny new thread!

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 1:42pm

Our Summer.

martyos121 · 31-05-2015 1:43pm

Dyche In.

31-05-2015 1:43pm

Get Hodgson back

shamrock55 · 31-05-2015 1:43pm

No 19 is on the way!!

Potential Underachiever · 31-05-2015 1:48pm

B-rod is rad.

Pighead · 31-05-2015 1:53pm

shamrock55 wrote: »

No 19 is on the way!!

Yes but which one?

Vicxas · 31-05-2015 1:59pm

Are we gonna look back at the start of this thread and laugh as Klopp leads up into the start of the PL, or still be raging that we couldnt forsee that we spunked 45M on Benteke.....

Hidalgo · 31-05-2015 1:59pm

Word Riggs.

Caovyn Lineah · 31-05-2015 2:17pm

Ohh, this is nice.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 31-05-2015 2:42pm

Vicxas wrote: »

Are we gonna look back at the start of this thread and laugh as Klopp leads up into the start of the PL, or still be raging that we couldnt forsee that we spunked 45M on Benteke.....

Is that £ or €?

slingerz · 31-05-2015 3:28pm

This has the potential to be an epic thread or a rather dire one!!

Midlife Crashes · 31-05-2015 3:39pm

Vietto seems like a realistic option. Young, pretty unproven but would only cost about 14 M

Turtyturd · 31-05-2015 3:40pm

He sounds very.....eh, Italian.

Edit: Argentinean, sign him up.

mosstin · 31-05-2015 3:43pm

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Ohh, this is nice.

Was.

Vicxas · 31-05-2015 3:47pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Is that £ or €?

Either or is too much

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 3:47pm

Midlife Crashes wrote: »

Vietto seems like a realistic option. Young, pretty unproven but would only cost about 14 M

He wants to go to Atletico we aren't big enough to get him

Most players want to join clubs that are in the top 10/20 teams in the world not teams like us.

cj maxx · 31-05-2015 3:57pm

New theead! And im 17th . Whoo hooo

Jesus Wept · 31-05-2015 3:59pm

Utopia Parkway · 31-05-2015 4:00pm

Interesting that Arsenal spent £35m less than LFC on transfers last 5 years but £70m more in wages.

Just saw this today. Just goes to show that wages are often forgotten about as people are often so obsessed with transfer fees paid.

Pulsating Star · 31-05-2015 4:03pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He wants to go to Atletico we aren't big enough to get him

Most players want to join clubs that are in the top 10/20 teams in the world not teams like us.

Very old thread, why not give peace a chance at least.

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 4:07pm

Pulsating Star wrote: »

Very old thread, why not give peace a chance at least.

As the man from Liverpool say.

SlickRic · 31-05-2015 4:34pm

I'm just getting really bored of the Rodgers debate.

Look, Rodgers is not a broken docket. He was manager as we came 2nd, when we came closer than we've ever come to a PL title. A lot was down to Suarez, but you can't completely negate Rodgers' input.

He can clearly coach.

However, the crux of this whole Rodgers debate, IMO, centres around the concept of modern football, and how you see it.

IMO, football has moved on from the days when managers were afforded endless patience. It just doesn't work like that anymore. There are many who lament that fact, and really wish things were different. They hope things will change once time is given. They cite Shankly. They cite Ferguson. These instances are used as proof that if a manager gets time, then they will likely get it right eventually. It's flawed in a modern context.

Managers are paid millions a year, as are players. Owners invest millions, and millions are at stake. Not only are millions at stake, but prestige is priceless. Liverpool is lucky it has the history it does, but players largely don't give a shít anymore. Players and owners want money, trophies and Champions League. If you aren't winning trophies or attaining Champions League status, your stock falls quickly.

Managers simply can't be afforded the time they used to be when the stakes are so high. You do well, you get rewarded amazingly. If you don't do well, you pay for it with your job if there's a better option available. It's how things work now.

You either embrace it or get left behind.

If Klopp or Ancelotti are gettable, it'd be neglectful to not try. Proven winners must be pursued if we're to become winners. If nobody better than Rodgers is available or gettable, then obviously, by default, he should get another season.

But Rodgers knows the game he is part of. You can tell from his sheepish comments last week. He knows if better comes along, the owners are well within their rights to get rid of him.

Go hard or go home.

brevity · 31-05-2015 4:39pm

Its less about Rodgers and more about who is available.

YouTookMyName · 31-05-2015 5:11pm

Rodgers In, Rodgers Out, Rodgers shake his Todger about,

Gbear · 31-05-2015 5:20pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Just saw this today. Just goes to show that wages are often forgotten about as people are often so obsessed with transfer fees paid.

I think it also suggests that they've had a settled side of higher calibre to begin with.

If you're already a good side, it stands to reason you don't need to spend as much.

It'd be interesting to see the turnover of players compared between the two clubs.

We've had about 20 in and out or whatever - we've binned a legion of absolutely useless players; wheras they built a good young side and have been tending it while they (Ramsey, Walcott, Wilshere and so forth, to varying degrees and at various times over the past 5 years) took out the pruning shears for what they already had and added giant marble center-pieces, like Sanchez and Ozil, to bring the whole thing together.

I don't think they're really playing a different game to us. They're just half a decade further down the road, both in terms of squad but also with the stadium and the general CL stability of the club.

They've gotten to the stage where they're genuinely only 1 or 2 players short of a serious title challenge.

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 6:18pm

I'm not usually a fan of Lawrenson but he got this right

Liverpool FC wimped out and I wouldn't back them in a fight, says Mark Lawrenson

We just limped out of the season.

And the great worry for me remains the character of the team.

We had three matches against awkward opponents in Hull City, Crystal Palace and Stoke.

They aren’t the best teams in terms of quality.

But they are strong. And we wimped out.

All three knew that if you get stuck into this Liverpool team, you’re going to have a lot of joy.

We can play our football against every team in the country. But we clearly can’t fight against any of them.

We lost Jamie Carragher. We lost Luis Suarez. Now we have lost Steven Gerrard.

Liverpool need players who are going to stand up and scrap it out when they aren’t playing well.

Chelsea have loads of talent and they don’t mind fighting for the right to play.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc-wimped-out-wouldnt-9350559

LuckyLloyd · 31-05-2015 6:28pm

Benteke? Take his release value and Johnson's wages and go get Higuain imo. Be aggressive.

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 6:34pm

£120k a week is €170k a week there are very few players in continental European clubs getting that that kind of money.

Even Bayern refuse to pay that kind of money the told Kroos to got to Madrid if he wanted that kind of money.

Mr.H · 31-05-2015 7:00pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

£120k a week is €170k a week there are very few players in continental European clubs getting that that kind of money.

Even Bayern refuse to pay that kind of money the told Kroos to got to Madrid if he wanted that kind of money.

Yea and he left..........................

Listen I have one issue with something that keeps popping up on here.

A lot say "look at United last season" "lets just pay what ever they want and we can bring in top class players"

The problem with these statements and every statement like those is, the players that come for money will leave because of money. They will also go missing when the club is going through a tough time and they wont give two sh*ts about the fans when they are having an off night and decide that they dont wanna play.

DiMaria Falcao Ozil are 3 players who fit this bill. Not trying to pick on Arsenal or United by the way as they are more successful than us right now.

DiMaria was only in the door at United and he was on about playing for PSG. Falcao moved to Monaco................... Ozil was forced to leave Madrid and despite a great start to his Arsenal life he gave up after 2 months (he has played well recently by the way).

There are loads of "mercenaries" out there. Where was loyalty when RVP decided to go to United? How about Torres to Chelsea? Owen to United?

My point is that yes we could go down the road of hiring these mercenaries who will come in and do a job for us. But if things get tough they will be the first to kick up a fuss and leave!

Sterling is a great young talent. But he is influenced by money so not caring about the club he wants to leave.

Ibe loves the club (proving they dont have to be local to be loyal) and wants to stay even though he is a young talent whop would get a move if he wanted. Not to a top 4 side yet but he doesnt seem like he wants to flirt with our rivals unlike Sterling.

Hendo, Lucas, Skrtel have all showed loyaty to the club. Players who would put their careers on the line for the club. Players who will fight to win games regardless of being "world class" or "out of their depth" at times.

We need loyalty. Not mercenaries.

Mercenaries WILL leave when a better offer comes along ie: Suarez!!

So whats the point in even targeting them in the first place?

Coutinho seems loyal and he isnt exactly sh*t

Chardee MacDennis · 31-05-2015 7:03pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

£120k a week is €170k a week there are very few players in continental European clubs getting that that kind of money.

Even Bayern refuse to pay that kind of money the told Kroos to got to Madrid if he wanted that kind of money.

Don't forget about tax. There are no players in Spain losing 50% of their income like they would in England...

glued · 31-05-2015 7:06pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

£120k a week is €170k a week there are very few players in continental European clubs getting that that kind of money.

Even Bayern refuse to pay that kind of money the told Kroos to got to Madrid if he wanted that kind of money.

Bayern fcuked up with Kroos. He wanted an extension at the start of the year and they offered him a deal months after Lahm and Muller got their deals done. When they came to the table he told them he wanted to leave as he didn't feel as important as the other players.

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 7:06pm

BastardPrince wrote: »

Don't forget about tax. There are no players in Spain losing 50% of their income like they would in England...

As far as I remember they pay 52% tax in Spain compared to 45% in England.

That may have changed in the last years.

glued · 31-05-2015 7:14pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

As far as I remember they pay 52% tax in Spain compared to 45% in England.

That may have changed in the last years.

Foreign footballers pay 24.75% tax in Spain.
Spanish footballers pay 47%

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 7:22pm

glued wrote: »

Foreign footballers pay 24.75% tax in Spain.
Spanish footballers pay 47%

I thought that was stopped a few years ago.

That started for Beckham but I think it ended around 2012.

MightyMandarin · 31-05-2015 7:27pm

Mr.H wrote: »

We need loyalty. Not mercenaries.

Mercenaries WILL leave when a better offer comes along ie: Suarez!!

So whats the point in even targeting them in the first place?

I'm sorry but you come across as very, very naive.

You want us to refrain from signing mercenaries, but the problem is the vast majority of footballers are exactly that. If you want to sign the best, you need to pay the best; that's the reality of football now.

So what if we sign some loyal players; if they're sh*t, their loyalty is meaningless. Also you're seriously contradicting yourself by saying we would only 'sign loyalty'. How are we meant to say they're a 'loyal player' if they're willing to jump ship from a lesser club and come here?

And if you think Coutinho 'seems loyal', good luck to you when Barca or Madrid come calling.

glued · 31-05-2015 7:29pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I thought that was stopped a few years ago.

That started for Beckham but I think it ended around 2012.

It stopped for any new footballers on 1st Jan 2015.

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 7:40pm

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/605077762857148418

Hidalgo · 31-05-2015 7:54pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Benteke? Take his release value and Johnson's wages and go get Higuain imo. Be aggressive.

I'd agree with this sentiment but not maybe the player. Has Higuain the pace to bring out the best in players like Coutinho? I'm not so sure.
I'd prefer someone in the Alexis Sanchez mould but I guess those ones are rare.

DVDM93 · 31-05-2015 7:55pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/605077762857148418

Arsenal > Liverpool
London > Liverpool
Champions League > Europa League

Arsenal on a high and a big signing or two away from a genuine title challenge, Liverpool in a transition if you want to call it that...

The only things that stands to us in that one is that he'd prob get more game time with us, imo.

I'd imagine they could offer more wages but Milner doesn't strike me as money-driven.

Might be a no brainer for him considering everything.

Imo.

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 8:02pm

Does anyone know if a player like Benteke would the a club signing(committee) or a manager signing?

To me Benteke seems at odds to the kind of striker we have signed over the last few seasons.

mikeym · 31-05-2015 8:09pm

Benteke would be a good January signing he doesnt play well the first half of the season.

DVDM93 · 31-05-2015 8:11pm

mikeym wrote: »

Benteke would be a good January signing he doesnt play well the first half of the season.

Sign him for 40 million, loan him back to Villa 'til January...

The Liverpool Way.

ThunbergsAreGo · 31-05-2015 8:38pm

All going wrong for Rafa 0-2

Techniques07 · 31-05-2015 8:41pm

naughtb4 wrote: »

All going wrong for Rafa 0-2

Rafa out!

Gbear · 31-05-2015 8:56pm

Mr.H wrote: »

We need loyalty. Not mercenaries.

Hugely naive.

Nobody wants players who can't be arsed. That goes for the biggest clubs in Europe most of all - the sorts of clubs that these mercenaries would see us as a stepping stone to.

The professionals who would see Liverpool as a job but can be relied upon to both pick up their wage packet and do the business on the pitch when the time comes don't fit in this old fashioned narrative but they have a huge place in any future that involves us moving up in the world.

At the end of it all they give us a tidy profit when they jump ship, having delivered the performances they needed to and everyone wins.

It's the reality of the situation. It's what Suarez was.

Agent Coulson · 31-05-2015 9:12pm

Lyon President Jean Michel Aulas has dismissed rumours linking striker Alexandre Lacazette to Premier League side Liverpool.

“Your information is false. Liverpool have never called us and [remind me] what European cup [they are playing in next season] and they have neither the means [to sign the player] nor the interest.”

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/jean-michel-aulas-dismisses-liverpool-links-with-alexandre-lacazette/

Vicxas · 31-05-2015 9:29pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lyon President Jean Michel Aulas has dismissed rumours linking striker Alexandre Lacazette to Premier League side Liverpool.

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/jean-michel-aulas-dismisses-liverpool-links-with-alexandre-lacazette/

Well, ouch.

murpho999 · 31-05-2015 9:32pm

Liverpool Echo now reporting that Liverpool to have talks with Ings this week and he prefers Liverpool over Spurs?

What happened to the pull of London that people here always claim?

MightyMandarin · 31-05-2015 9:33pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lyon President Jean Michel Aulas has dismissed rumours linking striker Alexandre Lacazette to Premier League side Liverpool.

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/jean-michel-aulas-dismisses-liverpool-links-with-alexandre-lacazette/

He comes across as a bit Dave Whelan-like. Loves to run his mouth and a bit of a chancer.

GotTheTshirt · 31-05-2015 9:35pm

GotTheTshirt wrote: »

. Napoli v Lazio is set up nicely if anyone's looking for some footy to watch this evening.

All sorts of craziness going on in this, red card for either side and Higuain just missed a pen to put Napoli into the CL places. About 10 mins to go. 2-2 at the comment

Liverpool FC News/Gossip/Rumours Summer '15

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