Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2009

[Sparks]

It's not out yet, this is just in anticipation of the Bill being published. I wanted to create the thread so everyone saw one place to comment on it. As soon as it's published, I'll come back and edit the original post with links or an attachment with the bill itself. I'll merge any other threads that get started on it into this one as well, just to keep it all in the one neat-ish place, and we're temporarily stickying it. Enjoy...

Okay, links time:
The main legislation page for the CJ(MP)B 2009, which has all the versions of the Bill on it.

The first debate on the bill in the Dail, part one.

The first debate on the bill in the Dail, part two.

The first debate on the bill in the Dail, part three.

The first debate on the bill in the Dail, part four (final part).

The Bill is now scheduled to go to the Dail Select Committee on Justice.

[daveob007]

Originally Posted by Sparks

It's not out yet, this is just in anticipation of the Bill being published. I wanted to create the thread so everyone saw one place to comment on it. As soon as it's published, I'll come back and edit the original post with links or an attachment with the bill itself. I'll merge any other threads that get started on it into this one as well, just to keep it all in the one neat-ish place, and we're temporarily stickying it. Enjoy...

Thanks for that, its better to place a single thread dedicated to that issue.
there are comments all over the place in other threads and this can be a bit confusing trying to find all the comments.
whats the delay,we are all waiting to hear if we are to be penalised for owning certain types of guns or not????

[Sparks]

Originally Posted by daveob007

whats the delay

Don't know dave - the scheduled date was today, but there's been nothing all day on it. There have been new publications from the DoJ allright, but nothing to do with the Misc Bill or firearms legislation in general. We're all just waiting about...

[bunny shooter]

Checked ssai site etc no news

[foxhunter]

Originally Posted by bunny shooter

Checked ssai site etc no news

There going to sneak it out when everyone is asleep tonight and then shut the doors and wait for the emails and phones to start.

[chem]

Phoned DoJ today, and was told, that they dont know when its to be released

Some time this week, was what I was told

[Sparks]

Well, there's only two sitting days for the Dail this week, today and tomorrow...

[rrpc]

Been out most of the day, rang the DoJ and was told to watch their website; not easy to do from a moving vehicle.

But when I got back to base, discover that there's nothing to watch anyway.

This bill seems destined to be overshadowed by something bigger and of much more interest to the media. Last time it was the budget and now it's the junior ministerial reshuffle.

So now we're guessing again as to when we'll see the damn thing

[Sparks]

Just heard in from the FCP, the bill was approved, but publication of the bill is delayed until next week so some details can be sorted out with the AGs office.

From the SSAI's website:

Please see below from the Department of Justice issued today (22nd April)

Dear members of the FCP,

The Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2009 was approved by Government today

There are still some details to be ironed out between ourselves and the AG so the Bill will not be published until next week.

[G17]

Originally Posted by rrpc

rang the DoJ and was told to watch their website;

My F5 button needs replacing...................

[chem]

Originally Posted by Sparks

Just heard in from the FCP, the bill was approved, but publication of the bill is delayed until next week so some details can be sorted out with the AGs office.

From the SSAI's website:

Anyone know anyone who can leek it to us? Seems all the rage these days with government bodies

[ancienthunter]

mmmm....does'nt sound like democracy to me. I thought everything is suppose to be transparent and clear and held in an open forum with the citizens of Ireland and their representives.

[Sparks]

Do you see any other laws offically published before they're laid before the Dail for open debate?

[ancienthunter]

Again I'd like to thank you sparks, yes you are correct. Fundamentaly the system is flawed. Thank you

[Sparks]

Actually AH, what I was trying to say is that the openness happens in the Dail, not in the Department. None of the other TDs have to conduct their business openly with private members bills before laying them before the Dail and neither do Ministers. It's not what I'd like, but at least it's symmetrical - and it's following the constitution.