Why Have A Download Limit In Southern Ireland?

swoofer

Please help me as I am confused!! Ireland is behind in BB and everyone knows BB is the future so get people on board and dod this by making it attractive!! In the UK the price is dropping almost daily and I could get a package for £19.00 with no limits.

Yet here in Ireland even ESAT which is a part of BT!!!! has a limit.

Can someone explain in simple language why IRELAND appears to be the only country with a download limit???? Am I missing something.

No download limit = more customers = more money.

GB---

Sloth

Well thats not strictly true, Nildram (the best in the UK) have a limit but it's a whopping 150gbs. I mean just think about it, you get the same download limit in a day with Nildram that you get with Eircom for a whole month. Something has to change and since the infrastructure here is pretty crap and can't seem to deal with unlimited access (as Netsource clearly show) I think that 30-60gbs is a suitable cap, anything less and it's not really proper broadband.

nahdoic

a very good question.

the contention on the wholesale offering by eircom for RADSL at E27 a month, is 48:1.

So if a company wants to offer BB to Ireland at the moment, they have to work with that contention ratio to make it work. So that invovles capping to make sure users don't over use.

No why can't eircom provide a better contention? Good question.

Sloth

Contention isn't the be all and end all of bb related problems. Again I point to Nildram who have 50:1 contention yet still offer an incredibly fast service. Also on Nildram you can reach 1mb speeds even if you only sign up for the 512k package and and and some of their packages are RADSL too yet still damned fine.

nahdoic

of course not, contention in most countries is almost a non-issue. they've hit critical mass, and the price is low low. we're very far from being anywhere near that yet.

and why won't eircom let us burst our adsl capable lines to the max that their capable of?

Sloth

And turn off sodding interleaving, it's pointless, unnecessary and theres better systems out there (ie Esat's fast path).

eth0_

May I point your attention to my thread in the broadband forum regarding what do people plan to do with a residential broadband connection.
The answer is clear. Download movies, warez, and porn. And a little gaming.

I would guesstimate that 70% of residential DSL users are complete warez wh0rez, and *that* is why you need a cap on residential services, to stop these people ruining it for everyone else on the service.

The average broadband user would find a 15-20gb cap to be more than enough, IMO.

swoofer

Thanks guys for all the replies.

1. We do not have the technolgy, so much for the guff I read about in the UK about Ireland attracting high tech industries because of its good e business infrastructure.

2. We are miles behind the rest of the world, so what's changed in 32 years?

3. The government has no real push.

4. We are heading back to the 70's and 80's when everyone left.

5. What a wasted opportunity.

BB in Ireland is like the new Dublin tunnel, the pipe is too small.

Now why did I sell my house so quickly in the UK!! I was told Ireland was ...... etc etc.

I am going to wait until affordable satellite comes on stream and can dump every piece of telecom equipment that comes into my house.

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SkepticOne

Three reasons:

1. UTV are forced to have 48:1 contention by Eircom.

2. We have people on these boards saying stuff like: "What is the point of a cap I download 3 gigs A DAY so caps are crap".

Unfortunately an ISP looking at this would get scared and and impose a cap.

The ISP does not want custom from these people. They use 20-50 times as much of the limited bandwidth as anyone else.

You see, for every one like this, he needs to find 48 others who just download email and nothing else.

Yet these boards are full of people talking about downloading gigs of stuff. I would love for there to be no cap, but sadly there is going to be one because people have been inadvertently campaigning for one.

3. Paradoxically, because the price is higher in Ireland than in Britain, the services tend to attract heavier users.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by GBCULLEN
1. We do not have the technolgy, so much for the guff I read about in the UK about Ireland attracting high tech industries because of its good e business infrastructure.

Nothing to do with technology. Same technology is used in Ireland as in the UK and elsewhere. Various forms of DSL have been in testing with Eircom since 1998.

In short, given the fact that UTV have constraints on them (like ISPs everywhere), they have decided to impose caps so that other's won't be complaining about severe slowdowns and high latency (like they did on Netsource).

The alternative would be to allow UTV to boot extreme users (the definition of which would be at UTVs discretion) to ensure quality of service for the vast majority. In another thread about FRIACO, I suggested this sort of an approach (with regard to time online - the quantity that is shared on FRIACO), however here, people were adament that they should know exactly how much time online they should have. It is exactly the same principle here but with regard to download capacity.

swoofer

Ok, why is there no limit in the UK and at the last count it was 2 million users. Now within that lot there must be a lot of people downloadiing movies, music and anything else to their hearts content.

No limit is = more users = more money. I am totally baffled.

It has to be the duff technology.

gb--

Sloth

Again, I don't know where your getting that from, both NTL and Nildram are capped. Demand in the UK is presumably a lot higher as is the take up rate, this would encourage companies to add plenty of bandwidth but there just isn't that incentive here so instead of adding more bandwidth like they should be doing they just impose strict caps to try and squeeze in as many people as they can onto a limited amount of bandwidth.
I'm totally for caps (not that I like them but I think they're a neccessary evil for the time being) and think Netsource definitly should be capped, if ever there was a company that seemed to be a salvation to the warez monkies atm it's Netsource and of course the service suffers as a result of this. The point is though you have to get the balance right and 5gb is on the wrong side of severe. 20gb would be the baseline level that I'd ever accept for a capped service and until that comes along I won't be going anywhere but my Netsource Business package.
I'd just like to bring up wireless providers like IBB though, I think they are for the most part the future of broadband in this country and I think it's a great shame that IBB haven't been able to launch on time like they said they would. They are totally uncapped and offer a very nice 8:1 contention which means that the latency issues that dog Netsource's uncapped services shouldn't be much of an issue. If IBB could get their act together and launch properly I think they'd dominate the market totally.

gurramok

I slightly disagree there Sloth.
A 20 gb cap would be ok yeh but if netsource decide to impose something like 5gb cap, i'm back to friaco dial-up (fast forward 2 months ). The cost aint worth it.

I guess research needs to be done as to what % of users regard a cap as restrictive in take-up of broadband and what users regard as value for money.
The bbc news website, here recently said that 60% of ISP traffic is taken up by p2p
But if ISP's are having serious problems now with radsl traffic, god knows what it will be like when the 'masses' come on board.

Sloth

I never said I wanted a 5gb cap and in fact the whole point of my post is that that's the last thing in the world that I want.

Dustaz

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?postid=947398#post947398


read that, it goes some way to explaining some of your questions.

MadsL

Ok, why is there no limit in the UK and at the last count it was 2 million users. Now within that lot there must be a lot of people downloadiing movies, music and anything else to their hearts content. It has to be the duff technology.

Err...or the lack of competition perhaps...

Chowley

Now Im confused.

Amocom wisp in Cork offer 512/512 at a 20:1 contention i think yet they cap it at 5Gb.

Why do they have such a small cap with a low contention?