booing of arvaladze (sp?)

treefingers · 12-06-2003 11:54am #1

any one else think it was disgraceful? the fact that he plays for rangers has absolutely nothing to do with ireland/georgia. :mad:

Tellox · 12-06-2003 11:59am

It was disgraceful,Im fairly sure that Ireland have had a protestant player in the past, and what'll happen if an Irish player goes off and plays for Rangers? Will we boo him too?

Booing him accomplished nothing more then blackening our reputation..

jonno · 12-06-2003 12:00pm

It was embarassing to think that there are Irish fans out there that are so misguided and feel the need to boo a player. There was no need to do it.

I wonder if an Irish player signed for Rangers would they be booing him too :rolleyes:

p.pete · 12-06-2003 12:09pm

I think we have seen a little taste of what could happen with the Neil Lennon scenario in N.I.

They've pretty much lost their best player due to idiocy and appart from Spain last night they have been really, really bad in his absence.

Is the FAI or UEFA doing anything about instances like this? Sectarianism really shouldn't be an issue at a football match. If it is then there is no right for people to begrudge the GAA for not allowing soccer in Croke Park, if anything the GAA's viewpoint is being validated.

The really funny thing is, coming from Georgia I doubt (although I admit I don't know) that there is a Protestant person in the entire Georgian squad. Does the lad even get a game for Rangers?

ciano · 12-06-2003 12:11pm

I think it is unfortunate that a small section of the crowd booed him. But also I think that people are over reacting on how bad this is. This kind of thing happens everywhere in football. (I am not trying to justify it in any way)

Kone · 12-06-2003 12:18pm

I agree with Ciano, only a SMALL section of the crowd where actually booing the guy.

It is sad but unfortunately it still happens

p.pete · 12-06-2003 12:24pm

I'm glad that it is only a small section of the crowd, but surely the problem should be tackled now before letting it creep further into the game.

The booing was very evident on the telivision coverage regardless of how many people were involved. If that's what the kids see when they watch a football match then the problem, no matter how big or small, will be perpetuated.

Granted it may be getting blown out of preportion but it's something that I want to see when I watch football.

bettyboo · 12-06-2003 12:28pm

I was disgusted by the booing and think that the announcer could have at least asked people to refrain from doing it.

The FAI's failure to do anything about this is downright appalling!

s8n · 12-06-2003 12:38pm

wonder if an Irish player signed for Rangers would they be booing him too

the chances of that are slim thank god.

ciano · 12-06-2003 12:39pm

Originally posted by bettyboo
I was disgusted by the booing and think that the announcer could have at least asked people to refrain from doing it.

That was tried in a previous international, but it only made the situation worse.

bettyboo · 12-06-2003 12:46pm

Maybe they could get one of the players to make an appeal before the game starts.. ala Beckham...

ciano · 12-06-2003 1:08pm

Originally posted by bettyboo
Maybe they could get one of the players to make an appeal before the game starts.. ala Beckham...

I dont think we're quite as bad as the England just yet!

However, Brian Kerr has spoken out about the indident ...

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/euro2004/story.asp?newsid=5909

treefingers · 12-06-2003 1:23pm

Originally posted by p.pete
The booing was very evident on the telivision coverage regardless of how many people were involved.

yeah i agree, extremely noticable on rtes coverage. george hamilton made a few comments about it as well. it came across very badly...

Sposs · 12-06-2003 1:33pm

They should do like in england,have cameras on the crowd and shame them by showing them on television.That or ban them from the next international.

Ronan|Raven · 12-06-2003 1:37pm

Alas it will probably continue till the mindless idiot's get bored, that or it would be interesting to see if a member of the Irish team joined rangers then it would be interesting to see what happens.

tomED · 12-06-2003 1:41pm

Disgraceful.....

Small minded eejits

eirebhoy · 12-06-2003 1:51pm

Originally posted by treefingers
george hamilton made a few comments about it as well. it came across very badly...

I know this is off the topic but does George Hamilton know a lot about football? At the start of the match he sayed "Kaladze must be good if he gets his game for Milan", shouldn't he actually know if he's decent by now without making a comment like that, its like he is unknown.

Then, when Switzerland went 3-1 up against Albania he commented "Ahh well, we were expecting that", well George, I wasn't. He makes it out like Switzerland are in the top ten in the world, but there 43rd, behind Honduras and Israel.

All through the match he kept saying that we have a game in hand over Switzerland, Please tell me you heard this.

The man of the match was voted John O'Shea, and who made that decision the other Irish commentator, Jonny Giles. There were a lot of better players out there on the night, Keane and Healy played a stormer, Kilbane played his best match he has ever played for Ireland but O'Shea gets the Match ball.

We need a change in Irish commentators before I crack up.

p.pete · 12-06-2003 1:58pm

Originally posted by eireboy
I know this is off the topic but does George Hamilton know a lot about football? At the start of the match he sayed "Kaladze must be good if he gets his game for Milan", shouldn't he actually know if he's decent by now without making a comment like that, its like he is unknown.

George is an Irish footballing institution. Sitting at home and watching Ireland wouldn't be the same without comments like "... and Bonner has gone 165 minutes of these championships without conceding a goal. Oh danger here... ".

Of course he knows about football, he just gets excited in the moment. www.dangerhere.com is dedicated to him if you haven't seen it.

some of the other things that were said last night:
http://www.dangerhere.com/gufflog/more.php?id=187_0_1_0_C

xlex · 12-06-2003 2:40pm

I felt a significant number of the support Boo'ed the player and Brian Kerr made a request to refrain from said actions in his match notes...

p.pete · 12-06-2003 2:52pm

Can I ask, does it say which clubs each player plays for in the match program? I just have a feeling that a lot of the "fans" booing wouldn't have a clue which one if any plays for rangers otherwise.

I'm not saying that the info should be witheld from the program, it deserves to be in there. I'm just pondering the intelligence of the people booing - is it a well researched thing or would they know one Georgian from another without being able to match them to the number on their jersey.

xlex · 12-06-2003 2:59pm

I don't think they would have had a clue only the PA announced him on the teamsheet...

StickyMcGinty · 12-06-2003 3:12pm

Originally posted by Sposs
They should do like in england,have cameras on the crowd and shame them by showing them on television.That or ban them from the next international.

you are jokin right. i was there last night and i witnessed this, but you wouldnt be complaining if we booed the whole team when they got possesion. Arveladze had a bit part role and a poor game so the booing had a negative effect on his game!!

if he was fantastic and stuck 2 screamers in the top corner you wouldnt have this attitude!!

the fact is that players get booed like if you mover from Rangers to Celtic, Liverpool to Everton, United to City etc. its a fact of the game.

so stop the bitchin - i dont condone booing in friendly matches but in a game you have to win i can see why you would do anything to back the lads!!

xlex · 12-06-2003 3:17pm

well smart@ss if our support used the effort to support our players rather than Boo Shota then there would be no bitching!!

p.pete · 12-06-2003 3:26pm

It all depends on the reason for the booing. If it is born out of a distaste for the club that they play for then it really is degrading against ourselves. I really hate Man U but it doesn't mean I'm going to boo John O'Shea which is pretty much what this boils down to.

Booing of course is just a form of crowd participation which can of course be a good thing. If a player were to viciously foul one of the home players, a hand ball or something like that then I would not think it unfair for there to be some booing.

If we booed the whole team when they had possesion that would have been fine too. That would be intimidation against the whole team - and I wouldn't dream of putting up a protest if they did it to us in Georgia. That would be crowd participation creating an atmosphere where the entire team find it difficult a la Galatasary.

Unless an individual does something deserving (and playing for Rangers is not deserving) or they are David Beckham then individuals should not be picked out and jeered.

StickyMcGinty · 12-06-2003 3:28pm

Originally posted by xlex
well smart@ss if our support used the effort to support our players rather than Boo Shota then there would be no bitching!!

i thought that being in the situation we were in (having to winn all our game) it would merit doing anything (within reason) to win. i've been at nearly every ireland home international, and do not condone thins booing but i can understand it. xlex where were you last night in the ground? i was up in the North stand beside the eircom supporters and i can tell you that 50 % of them were booing shota...... and your saying these arnt real supporters??

It all depends on the reason for the booing. If it is born out of a distaste for the club that they play for then it really is degrading against ourselves. I really hate Man U but it doesn't mean I'm going to boo John O'Shea which is pretty much what this boils down to.

Booing of course is just a form of crowd participation which can of course be a good thing. If a player were to viciously foul one of the home players, a hand ball or something like that then I would not think it unfair for there to be some booing.

If we booed the whole team when they had possesion that would have been fine too. That would be intimidation against the whole team - and I wouldn't dream of putting up a protest if they did it to us in Georgia. That would be crowd participation creating an atmosphere where the entire team find it difficult a la Galatasary.

Unless an individual does something deserving (and playing for Rangers is not deserving) or they are David Beckham then individuals should not be picked out and jeered.

totally agree

Sposs · 12-06-2003 3:34pm

Originally posted by VinnyL
i thought that being in the situation we were in (having to winn all our game) it would merit doing anything (within reason) to win. i've been at nearly every ireland home international, and do not condone thins booing but i can understand it. xlex where were you last night in the ground? i was up in the North stand beside the eircom supporters and i can tell you that 50 % of them were booing shota...... and your saying these arnt real supporters??

totally agree

They might be "real" supporters but that doesn't stop them from being ignorant supporters,i agree with you that the fans must do everything to help the team in a must win game but then they should boo all the players and not just victimise one.

xlex · 12-06-2003 3:36pm

was there myself and I'd like to I subscribe to the positive type of supporter... I haven't been to many Ireland games but the level of Booing surprized me... I think if the crowd cheered rather than boo ing we'd be positively supporting the team rather than singling out one individual for Booing...

I think 50% is a fair estimate but you'd have to say the percentage was higher in the rest of the ground...

Did you Boo Shota?

xlex · 12-06-2003 3:40pm

Originally posted by Sposs
They might be "real" supporters but that doesn't stop them from being ignorant supporters,i agree with you that the fans must do everything to help the team in a must win game but then they should boo all the players and not just victimise one.

and can you tell me what makes you so qualified to speak like that about the eL support?

p.pete · 12-06-2003 3:43pm

Do any of the people booing consider the embarassment that they must be causing for the Irish players on the pitch? I'm sure it actually had a negative impact on our own players performance more than any negative against the Georgians.

I totally agree that a bit of positive support for our own players would be refreshing.

p.pete · 12-06-2003 3:45pm

Originally posted by xlex
and can you tell me what makes you so qualified to speak like that about the eL support?

Maybe the fact that they were booing shows their ignorance.

xlex · 12-06-2003 3:52pm

a handful of people in the eL sectionbooed, It is not in the eL's supporters interest to boo players whom play with Scottish team, whose main opponents are also a Scottish team... the eL supporters did not boo Shota, individuals did, some of which are eL supporters...

Of those who booed this player, the eL support made up about 5~6%...

fu*king generalisations!! Where were you for the game?

StickyMcGinty · 12-06-2003 3:53pm

Originally posted by xlex
was there myself and I'd like to I subscribe to the positive type of supporter... I haven't been to many Ireland games but the level of Booing surprized me... I think if the crowd cheered rather than boo ing we'd be positively supporting the team rather than singling out one individual for Booing...

I think 50% is a fair estimate but you'd have to say the percentage was higher in the rest of the ground...

Did you Boo Shota?

i didnt boo him at all at all

i remember the denmark match when they were booing lovenkrans and meself and about 30 other lads drowned them out with "Shay Shay, Super Shay"!!

thats the only way to shut them up.

and the stadium announcer gave out about the booing at the denmark game aswell!

Sposs · 12-06-2003 3:58pm

Originally posted by xlex
and can you tell me what makes you so qualified to speak like that about the eL support?

I am an Eircom League Supporter myself,and i didnt feel the need to boo him after all,he's never done anything against my team which is Kildare County,and as far as i know he's never scored or played for any other eircom team therfore i dont know why anyone should be booing him!!!!

Sand · 12-06-2003 8:33pm

FAI need to pull their fingers out of their arses and come down hard on the morons who seem to be there to support their club rather than their nation, embarrassing their team in the process. They need to take a few lessons out of the English FAs book on identifying the twats and banning them from the stadium.

AngelofFire · 12-06-2003 10:14pm

its simple the reason why arvaladze was booed arvaladze=rangers player=Protestants=skum(according to many ppl in ireland. i wanna ask the ppl of ireland what is so degrading about protestantism.

For the record i am a protestant myself but that doesnt make me any less irish than a catholic is.

kensutz · 13-06-2003 1:24am

Originally posted by bettyboo
I was disgusted by the booing and think that the announcer could have at least asked people to refrain from doing it.

The FAI's failure to do anything about this is downright appalling!

I was at a meeting with the FAI with regards to crowd management and security. We as stewards have a right to eject people from the ground with any racist remarks seen or heard. Also the thing about the PA announcer made it worse at the Switzerland game, a Rangers player was booed just because of the club team he's with.

xlex · 13-06-2003 9:12am

Sposs, Why did you make a comment like you did? Was it the North Bucket which booed Shota? you denounced the eL supporters as ignorant, you are an eL supporter, throught your affiliation with County, by deduction you too, are ignorant...

I'd really like to know why you made such a statement...

BTW Fran Rooney has called for the booing of Glasgow Rangers players to end... Brian Kerr made a plea in his pre-match address and in the centre of the program there is a notice reading something like,

The FAI denounce verbal abuse of players based on race, creed, religion or anything related to any other affiliation...

Can't say the FAI aren't keen to stamp it out...

xlex · 13-06-2003 9:18am

Originally posted by VinnyL
i didnt boo him at all at all

i remember the denmark match when they were booing lovenkrans and meself and about 30 other lads drowned them out with "Shay Shay, Super Shay"!!

thats the only way to shut them up.

and the stadium announcer gave out about the booing at the denmark game aswell!

I think we have little to disagree about!!:)

p.pete · 13-06-2003 9:48am

Originally posted by xlex
Sposs, Why did you make a comment like you did? Was it the North Bucket which booed Shota? you denounced the eL supporters as ignorant, you are an eL supporter, throught your affiliation with County, by deduction you too, are ignorant...
I'd really like to know why you made such a statement...

xlex, I think the statement you are talking about was "They might be "real" supporters but that doesn't stop them from being ignorant supporters"?

Taking that statement literally I don't see how it adds up to sposs calling eL supporters ignorant. The key words are "that doesn't stop them from being ignorant". Basically what Sposs was saying is that being an eL supporter doesn't make you ignorant or clever - that's down to the individual. Maybe there were more booers in the eL section but you can draw your own conclusions from that.

Praetorian · 13-06-2003 10:09am

The crowd were booing Georgia in general, which is despicable. Unfortunately, it was coming from all around the ground. I saw fathers encouraging their young sons to do it. I've been going to the games for years, but this unprovoked abuse only started recently as far as I’m concerned.

I’m unlikely to see such needless abuse on Sunday, when Dublin play Laois.

bringitdown · 13-06-2003 10:28am

Originally posted by Praetorian
I’m unlikely to see such needless abuse on Sunday, when Dublin play Laois.

I assume you were being sarcastic, no abuse at a Dublin GAA game ... that'll be the day.

Anywhoo boo the booers!

JaneyMackers · 13-06-2003 11:11am

It was disgraceful.

however I think this guy came in for special treatment because he had a Blue Sombrero on after Rangers won the league in referance to Celtic losing the Uefa cup in Spain.

but totally it has no place.

xlex · 13-06-2003 11:33am

Originally posted by p.pete
xlex, I think the statement you are talking about was "They might be "real" supporters but that doesn't stop them from being ignorant supporters"?

Taking that statement literally I don't see how it adds up to sposs calling eL supporters ignorant. The key words are "that doesn't stop them from being ignorant". Basically what Sposs was saying is that being an eL supporter doesn't make you ignorant or clever - that's down to the individual. Maybe there were more booers in the eL section but you can draw your own conclusions from that.

yeah I agree, and I was saddened that eL supporters booed Shota...

xlex · 13-06-2003 11:36am

Originally posted by JaneyMackers
It was disgraceful.

however I think this guy came in for special treatment because he had a Blue Sombrero on after Rangers won the league in referance to Celtic losing the Uefa cup in Spain.

but totally it has no place.

Glasgow Celtic and Glasgow Rangers have nothing to do with Ireland/Georgia and it doesn't belong to Landsdowne Rd, and the Bigotry and hatrid doesn't belong in Ireland...

JaneyMackers · 13-06-2003 2:19pm

I agree Xelx,

But tell that to the 20,000 celtic supporters that were there.

I felt sorry for the lad I must say. When a guy is playing for his country he should be treated as a gerogian player not a rangers player.

p.pete · 13-06-2003 2:26pm

Originally posted by xlex
Glasgow Celtic and Glasgow Rangers have nothing to do with Ireland/Georgia and it doesn't belong to Landsdowne Rd, and the Bigotry and hatrid doesn't belong in Ireland...

From an ownership point of view it's actually more a rugby venue than soccer - I'm sure their is a clever sarcastic spin I can put on that, someone help me out.

ella minnow pea · 14-06-2003 10:09am

i dont care about the fact that they're all Celtic supporters, that's no excuse.....the majority of, i dunno, japanese soccer fans support ManYoo but you dont see them booing any Man City players during internationals

booing of arvaladze (sp?)

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