Will Liverpool land a "Big" one?

mike65

Is it me or does'nt anyone want to play for 'pool?

Haken Yakin is the latest to say thanks but no thanks, and with Kewell aparently not interested, Duff still a "maybe" at best
its not looking terribly good.

If a famous international is'nt in the running what about good value? Trevor Sinclair is availble and will cost no more than 3 million but its clubs like Birmingham, Villa and Wolves who are being mentioned...di Canio would be a free but no one talkings about him.

Maybe we'll get a pleasent surprise....

Mike.

StickyMcGinty

mike65, i'd love if they could, but after last year i dont want to be linked with french foreign legion again (Cisse, Boumbsong, Mexes) and i think we need a proven player, not a wanna be. but we dont have that grab anymore, Houllier has no respect in the transfer market, he hasnt made any players careers yet.

how are we going to get good players??

Dont be at yourself

Hasn't made any player's careers yet?

Hyypia, Henchoz and Riise for a start.

I've no doubt that we'll get somebody big this summer. Duff and Cisse are undoubtedly the main targets that GH would like to bring in and in both cases it would appear that the players want to go, but their clubs don't want to sell them. If we can't pony up the cash to persuade them otherwise, we'll just look down the list.

Joe Cole will be going cheap, as will Steed Malbranque and plenty of others who could very well provide us with the edge we need.

kamobe

I think i recall a certain speach by Mr Houllier about how 'big name players' had no place at Liverpool...

Dont be at yourself

I think that was prompted by Rivaldo's comment that he wanted to play for Liverpool. Houllier said the risk would be to great on spending so much on a player like him.

tHE vAGGABOND

no champions league = no one wants to join

I think liverpool are going nowhere unless they change manager..and get someone who can adapt to different tactics

p.pete

Originally posted by tHE vAGGABOND
no champions league = no one wants to join

I think liverpool are going nowhere unless they change manager..and get someone who can adapt to different tactics

You might be right but I would like to stick with him for another few seasons to see what can be pulled off. Granted I would like to see a change of tactics though.

I'm a bit warey of signing more young French talent also but I'm hoping one or two of them will have better seasons this time around. There are some very good French youth players and GH would generally be respected by them. In terms of big name signings I'm not sure how he's thought of.

I don't think Duff has ever actually come out and said "I want to join pool". If Kewell is only looking for a transfer to get a better wage then I don't want to see him join.

JaneyMackers

Gh will not sign Kewell over Duff.

Kewell does not have a high enough workrate. He doesnt track back and pitch in.

Duff works very hard as well as his obvious other attributes. More in keeping with a GH signing.

As for tactics it seems there will be a change.

With Finnan and Risse and Vignal all in for full back slots there is a much more attacking look to that area.

The reason for signing Mexes, boumsong or Gallas is for extra pace in the centre. Hyypia and Henchoz are both slowish. He'll need faster CB's to cover the extra ground if they are further forward.

Word is Hyypia may be leaving as well.

JM

tHE vAGGABOND

kewell turned down 48 grand a week a leeds and is stalling over 60 a week at arse...

I dont think liverpool would be at the races there at all..

p.pete

Originally posted by tHE vAGGABOND
kewell turned down 48 grand a week a leeds and is stalling over 60 a week at arse...

I dont think liverpool would be at the races there at all..

Liverpool have historically paid more wages for top players than Arsenal over the last 15 - 20 years (as far as I know), but they won't do it for a lazy sod who is only moving because of the wages.

tHE vAGGABOND

over 20 years liverpool have been better than arsenal..

right now that is no longer true

JaneyMackers

Liverpool pay big wages to players the deserve it.

Mickey is on 80,000grand a week.

p.pete

Originally posted by tHE vAGGABOND
over 20 years liverpool have been better than arsenal..

right now that is no longer true

Definitely Arsenal are better than Liverpool. Pool have been crap for over 10 years now - but still have better wages than Arsenal. Don't really see your point.

mijmu

Liverpool are supposed to be close to a deal for Christano Ronaldo (playing with Portugal in the Toulon tournament) Can play on either wing or up front.

JaneyMackers

The club have just issued a denial RE: Ronaldo saying no bid has been submitted.

However that could mean anything.

JM

p.pete

Portugese sources are saying Anfield officials were seen in discussions with Ronaldo's agent Jorge Mendes. Liverpools press release is hopefully just their usual poor attempt at smokescreen.

There is so many different rumours going around at the moment linking liverpool with so many different players why would they bother to mention it if nothing is going on?

Sposs

hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha Liverpool land a big one? what? as in player? ahahahahaahaha

No Hope!!!!!!! its only time before Michael Owen leaves aswell,Liverpool are a team in decline again

p.pete

Originally posted by Sposs
its only time before Michael Owen leaves aswell,Liverpool are a team in decline again

I really hope it won't last for 30 years, don't think I could bear it if we took that long to win the league.

Naturally Owen will eventually leave - within the next two years I would reckon.

ciano

Arent Owen and Gerard signing new contracts this summer??

p.pete

Gerrard certainly is but I would say Owen will hold out as a bargaining chip to force Liverpool to buy a world class striker - good on him. If and when he wants to leave I would say he will be cashed in on and not forced to stay against his will.

cournioni

Why exactly would a "big one" want to play with Liverpool? To play in the UEFA cup like they can do with Blackburn?

p.pete

I guess a "big one" would have to weigh up how he thought the club would do over the next several years and not just the next one year.

cournioni

Originally posted by p.pete
I guess a "big one" would have to weigh up how he thought the club would do over the next several years and not just the next one year.

Is that why Beckham rejected a move to Barcelona?

p.pete

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Is that why Beckham rejected a move to Barcelona?

Beckham rejected Barcelona because all his sponsorship interests are better served at Real Madrid, Madrid is a bigger city for his wife to hang around in and Madrid have a better team.

I'm not in a position to say which of the teams will be the better over the next couple of years (are you?)

Sposs

I think what pornapster meant was that over the last few years Madrid have been alot better than Barcelona and most people can see that contuining,hence most people over the last few years have seen Liverpool struggle to compete for the major honours hence making it harder for them to attract the really top players.

cournioni

Originally posted by p.pete
Beckham rejected Barcelona because all his sponsorship interests are better served at Real Madrid, Madrid is a bigger city for his wife to hang around in and Madrid have a better team.

Yes, exactly Real is a better team. If Real were not in the CL they would not be a better team. Players only want to play for the best teams in the world. And that is why Liverpool will not get World Class players this year, because there are lots of "better teams" than them.

I'm not in a position to say which of the teams will be the better over the next couple of years (are you?)

Nope, I don't think anyone could possibly know the answer to who will be better or worse in the coming years. That is why I am saying that players prefer to play for teams that are currently in the Champions League etc.

thegills

There is now a massive gulf between the regular CL teams and the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea etc. A few years ago 'Pool could compete with the big boys in terms of signing new players. There's not a hope now and all we can hope for is a player like Duff who might support 'Pool or to but un-nurtered talent like the 2 French lads and hope for the best.
thegills

'Pool have not been linked to any decent players for a couple of years now.

p.pete

Originally posted by Sposs
I think what pornapster meant was that over the last few years Madrid have been alot better than Barcelona and most people can see that contuining,hence most people over the last few years have seen Liverpool struggle to compete for the major honours hence making it harder for them to attract the really top players.

Perhaps I didn't understand the minimilistic way in which he made his point.

I kind of missed how he jumped from comparing Liverpool and Blackburn "To play in the UEFA cup like they can do with Blackburn?" to comparing Barcelona and Real Madrid.

I agree that Liverpool are not as big a draw for top players as any team that has a CL spot. What I was trying to say is, if you compare Pool and Blackburn, both of whom are in UEFA, you would have to consider how the two teams are likely to do over the next several years not just one season.



I agree with thegills - The last top player Liverpool got was probably Stan Collymore and that is laughable now. It's been a bit sparse since then.

cournioni

Originally posted by p.pete
I agree that Liverpool are not as big a draw for top players as any team that has a CL spot. What I was trying to say is, if you compare Pool and Blackburn, both of whom are in UEFA, you would have to consider how the two teams are likely to do over the next several years not just one season.

Sorry, but when you look at Blackburn and see players like Duff, Hakan Sukur, Dwight Yorke, David Dunn etc. They do look like they are likely to do well over the next few seasons. That is why I think they are on a par with liverpool. Also the fact that they have won a championship in the last ten years can help their causes. Their downfall could be that they were relegated after that.

Seaneh

Originally posted by NekkidBibleMan
I think that was prompted by Rivaldo's comment that he wanted to play for Liverpool. Houllier said the risk would be to great on spending so much on a player like him.

Rivaldo never, ever, ever said he wanted to jon Liverpool, in fact when (5 days later) he heared about the report in an english rag he was more than a little annoyed and even appared on Milan Channel that night denying all.
The reporter claimed that he had spoken to Rivaldo 3 weeks before in London when in fact Rivaldo hasn't been in britian since before the world cup (besides the CL Final) when he made a promoational trip there for his mian personal sponser.

p.pete

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Sorry, but when you look at Blackburn and see players like Duff, Hakan Sukur, Dwight Yorke, David Dunn etc. They do look like they are likely to do well over the next few seasons. That is why I think they are on a par with liverpool. Also the fact that they have won a championship in the last ten years can help their causes. Their downfall could be that they were relegated after that.

Not to be picky but Yorke, Suker, Cole etc are all in their thirties. Sukers game is deteriorating rapidly (did you notice in the WC?) and that's why he's ended up in Blackburn. I think Owen is a tw*t but Blackburn don't have a striker to compare with him.

Addmitedly Dunn and Duff are good players but I don't see them holding on to either of them all that long. Dunn doesn't compare at all well to Gerard and also seems to have a running battle going on with Souness, which can't be good for his long term prospects at Blackburn.

Blackburn won the league nine seasons ago - bringing them to a grand to total of 3 (the other 2 coming before WW1). It's 14 seasons since Liverpool won the league but a lot of players would have grown up in the eighties seeing Liverpool play near their best which "can help their causes" in the words of pornapster.

jonno

I am resigned to the fact that Liverpool will not sign any big names this summer - but that's just so I won't be disappointed in GH if they don't. GH must have something up his sleeve. After all the pressure on him during the 'slump' he would be stupid to think that all he has to do is bring in Finnan and the two French youngsters to add to the squad. All he needs is too players really that can make a difference. After that it's just him having to learn how to pick the best team.

jackanorystory

Yes they will- a big "Egg on their face" when they realise no-one wants to join a non CL team. That the price you pay for failure.

mijmu

How can teams not be BIG anymore just because they are not in the Champions League.

Over the last number of seasons the likes of Inter Milan, AC Milan, Lazio and now Barcelona have all missed champions League. Have any of them had problems in signing the players they want. I dont think so.

I would rather have Liverpool buying slightly smaller ones than paying out 30M for an idiot like Ferdinand and 30M for Veron and 25M for Beckham.

I dont see any problem with Liverpool getting the players they want if the players are allowed to move. I also think this is GHs last chance and he will bring in the players to at least put up a good challenge for the league or lose his job this season

StickyMcGinty

Originally posted by mijmu
Liverpool are supposed to be close to a deal for Christano Ronaldo (playing with Portugal in the Toulon tournament) Can play on either wing or up front.

he only said today that he was flattered by livepools interest, but hed heard nothing from us.

Houlliers Tactics are flawed, i rememer last season he brought on 2 defensive players in a game we were loosing 1-0 and needed to win.

he should have a job for life at the club, but give him a desk and get him off the bench!

p.pete

Originally posted by VinnyL
he only said today that he was flattered by livepools interest, but hed heard nothing from us.

The way I heard it Christiano is pleading with them to follow up on their interest and would relish the chance to play alongside Owen. Thompson is over watching him play and hopefully he'll get the finger out soon and give the nod. Should be a fairly straight forward deal to get through - Sporting need money and the player wants to join.

JaneyMackers

Liverpool denied today bidding for him. But did not deny their interent. In Ronaldo Jnr that is.

As for big signing. The Chief Exec said and I quote "Signing that will have fans on the edge of their seats." Dubious in the last three years are anything to go by.

Well GH is on holidays. He'll meet a lad playing keepy uppy on the beach in Corsica and ask him if he can kick long balls?

Yes he'll reply. Right your signed for right back.

mike65

http://www.tribalfootball.com/june/englishnews9210603.html

Mike.

Paul007

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Sorry, but when you look at Blackburn and see players like Duff, Hakan Sukur, Dwight Yorke, David Dunn etc. They do look like they are likely to do well over the next few seasons. That is why I think they are on a par with liverpool. Also the fact that they have won a championship in the last ten years can help their causes. Their downfall could be that they were relegated after that.

Weak, very weak.
Duff won't be there for much longer, Dwight Yorke is past his best, as is Sukur, and Dunn looks like he's on his way to Birmingham.

If you honestly think Blackburn are on a par with Liverpool, you are either (a) a Manc supporter on the windup or (b) have no idea what you are talking about.
I'll go for the former.

PiE

Originally posted by Paul007
(a) a Manc supporter on the windup or (b) have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm of the belief that (a) & (b) are universally and inextricably linked.

talla

p.pete quote:

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Originally posted by VinnyL
he only said today that he was flattered by livepools interest, but hed heard nothing from us.

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The way I heard it Christiano is pleading with them to follow up on their interest and would relish the chance to play alongside Owen. Thompson is over watching him play and hopefully he'll get the finger out soon and give the nod. Should be a fairly straight forward deal to get through - Sporting need money and the player wants to join.



Liverpool won't be signing anyone fron Sporting Lisbon, you all forget that UTD signed that agreement with Sporting(the same one they have with antwerp in Belgium) where the two clubs loan out players to each other and im sure theres some other nice little clauses thrown in there, as in why bother to sign an agreement with a club to develop youth players and let one of your rivals sign up the best youth, i dont think so

Wolf

Will Liverpool land a big one ?

NO

LizardKing

To be honest I don't care if they "Land a Big One" or not , I'd prefer if they bought someone cheap who turned out to be a suprise superstar ... or they gave some youth a chance to shine next season... however it is too early to say whether or not a big name star will sign for liverpool ... unless you can see into the future like our friend the Wolf
:rolleyes:

mike65

AGH! :mad:

Yakin Haken is proberly heading for ParkHead...FFS Celtic over Liverpool, things have reached a pretty pass. I can only belive that Yakin is interested in Celtic because of O' Neill. i.e. he's not Houllier....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/3015878.stm

However Basturk may be on his way (could he bring Hasan Sas with him?)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/3017872.stm

Mike.

Bannor

Latest rumour is that Cisse will be announced next Monday or Tuesday.

jonno

Pray tell Bannor, what is your source on that?

As for Yakin, disappointed that he probably won't come to Anfield but I suppose Basturk might do a job although I havn't seen him play that much.

I see Partridge is giving an ultimatum of sorts saying that he will try one last time this year to break into the first team and if not he's gone.

p.pete

Originally posted by jonno
I see Partridge is giving an ultimatum of sorts saying that he will try one last time this year to break into the first team and if not he's gone.

Partridge didn't quite mean it as an ultimatum - for the sake of his career it's his only option and Pool understand that.

He's had a talk with Thompson and has been told that he has a future at the club and if he does well in pre-season he will be in with a shout. He has also been told that other clubs have shown an interest in him if he does decide to leave.

Bannor

Originally posted by jonno
Pray tell Bannor, what is your source on that?

The source is the guy who runs the Independent Liverpool Supporters Association:

"100% serious on Cisse. Comes from a number of sources/friends/mates who are unconnected. One of which has confirmed Djibril was in Liverpool on May 4th.

I've said on here for a couple of weeks that the deal was in place (immedaitely after it all went mysteriously quiet from both sides, June 7th I think) as Rashid and leewilkins would testify.

The logical time to announce it would be next week after the Confed Cup is over and Parry and GH return to the club from holiday. Finnan signs on July 1st as already announced by the club."

jonno

Thanks for that Bannor hopefully there is some truth in that.

Just read that Lyon have been told that Heskey is available for 11million. If GH pulls that one of it wouldn't be a bad move for the club. 11million to add to the kitty. But then again that was in a rag so I won't believe anything till it happens.

I know the Partridge report wasn't an ultimatum but it migth give GH a push forward to giving him a chance. He can't be any worse than playing a striker on the wing :rolleyes: