Vieira for United?

Hyzepher

Reports today that Alex Ferguson has asked the Utd board to look into the possible signing of Vieira from Arsenal.

Surely Alex has lost his marbles - why would Vieira go to Utd. He would lose his captain staus to Keane, Utd are a weakening team that Arsenal should of beaten to the championship last year, Arsenal are moving to a new stadium in a few years that will guarantee a better financial future for arsenal and finally compete with Utd.

Or do you think he would go! I can't see arsenal selling him to their greatest rivals.

Hyzepher

p.pete

LOL:D
I can see so many things wrong with that.

Arsene would never (ever) sell him to United.
Even if it was a board decision, never.

Viera has enough trouble living in England without being hated by the fans he loves.

Viera has enough trouble living in England without living in Manchester.

Viera I think, if he were to move would like to try a different and better league. I'm thinking Spain or Italy here.

Feel free to add to this list. Really humorous thread, I like a good giggle in the morning, thanks.

ciano

Ì'll believe it when I see it.

celticfc

not a hope in hell

Sposs

Never say never,money talks in football.

ceejay

Viera himself has ruled this out in the past, stating that if he does go, it will probably be to some other country like Italy or Spain. That said, who would have ever thought that Sol Campbell would have left Spurs for Arsenal?

Personally, I don't believe it. I don't think that Arsenal need the money so much that they would a) sell him at all, and b) sell him to their biggest rivals.

Ciarán.

Bannor

Vieira isn't a happy bunny at Arsenal... every summer there's a story about him leaving the club. His agent tried to him his dream move to Real Madrid two years ago but Real weren't interested. Last summer he was also linked with a move to Man Utd.

I doubt he'll leave the club while Arsene Wenger is there, but once Wenger's contract expires and he moves to pastures new I expect the French contingent to bolt. If the stories are to be believed Pires is unhappy because he feels he'snot being paid enough - apparently he didn't know that the club have a strict wage structure. Henry's agent has been touting him in Spain.

Give it a couple of seasons and Arsenal could be a shadow of "the best team in the world(tm)".

p.pete

Excellent point about Sol moving to Arsenal.

Look at it this way though, Sol was definitely moving to a bigger team. United are bigger than Arsenal in most ways I can think of (except that I can't imagine Viera relishing life in north england) but the gap is not as big as that between Arsenal and Spurs.

Next point, Sol didn't have to leave London - Viera may not be against the idea of leaving London but I think the city of London would be several steps better than Manchester, the whole of North England for that matter.

At the moment Viera, a Frenchman, is playing for an excellent French manager. Alex probably scares him.

But, like Sposs says, money talks in football. Wonder what the bookies would make of the odds.

ceejay

Well look at it this way. If you were Viera, and you were thinking of leaving, it would be probably for reasons such as

• Not enough money
• Personal differences
• Looking for a new challenge

While ManU could offer more money, is it really much of a new challenge, compared with playing for someone like Real Madrid? It's probably not worth the hassle of moving, just to go up north to Manchester, where you would still be playing against the same kinds of players, playing mostly the same kind of football. Plus, the contrast between Wenger and Ferguson shouldn't be underestimated. The personal relationships that Wenger has with most of the players seems to be one of the key reasons that they stay there.

I agree with the point that once Wenger goes, things are likely to change dramatically. At that point in time, there's going to be new up-and-coming stars that would be likely to be brought in anyway, plus a new manager always wants to put their own stamp on a team. However, that's unlikely to happen for at least another two seasons

Ciarán.

Sand

Doesnt Viera only have a year or two left on his contract?

Arsenal would be extremely reluctant to sell Viera as it would probably crush their team for quite some time to come - but money talks and United have it to spend and Arsenal do not - Have they been seriously connected with anyone this summer? Theyre building a rather exspensive stadium, are having a bit of trouble keeping their wages under control and theres a bit of grousing in the ranks.

Its unlikley but who knows, Viera certainly wont be at Arsenal for too much longer.

KdjaCL

Utd have more money than Aresnal ever will have, Arsenal are a 2nd rate club who got a decent manager and a few cheap signings that came good.
Seriously to even compare Arse to Utd in financial and footballing terms is complete nuts.
Utd win they league they buy top players when Arsenal win it they dont buy better players.

I wouldnt be surprised if he went to Utd £22 million could buy Wenger a lot of french players.

kdjac

p.pete

Originally posted by KdjaC
Utd have more money than Aresnal ever will have, Arsenal are a 2nd rate club who got a decent manager and a few cheap signings that came good.
Seriously to even compare Arse to Utd in financial and footballing terms is complete nuts.
Utd win they league they buy top players when Arsenal win it they dont buy better players.

I wouldnt be surprised if he went to Utd £22 million could buy Wenger a lot of french players.

kdjac

:rolleyes: Sniiger, firm grasp of reality there:rolleyes: Actually I agree with a lot of the points you make there about Arsenal and how some good signings came good.

Wenger is a very shrewd man though and there would be many negative effects attached to Vierra going to united. The fans would be quite pissed off with him. Morale within the team would be hit very hard, players thinking of joining the club would have lost a certain amount of respect also.

22mil w(where)tf did you get that figure? Maybe that would be the price if he was sold to Spain or Italy. Your right, money talks, but that wouldn't be enough of it to get him to united. I'm thinking maybe nearer to 50 - which is ridiculous but that is nearer to what would be needed.

Also Wenger ain't getting any less clever - what's to stop him buying some more cheap young players and cultivating them?

jank

i cant see viera ever going to utd and i dont see why he would leave arsenal.he's getting good wages, captain of one of the biggest clubs in the world, coming up to his prime and plying with loads of exceptional french players (pires, henry)

he has total respect of the fans and the manager and they have a professional relationship. what im trying to say is that wenger is aresanl at the moment and viera is the future of arsenal.
he will never go to utd(like keane going to liverpool or something come on like get real here)

if he were to go which i dont think he would he would be worth 50 mil or so

like if beckham is worth 35 viera is twice the player he is

dont count on him going though

KdjaCL

I cant see how people perceive Arse as a big club they never do well in Europe have massive financial restraints (regardless of that new stadium they dont buy big players they cant afford them).

I cant see them making the step forward to win the CL unless they get a lot of cash they have 10 excellent players but after that their squad runs very thin.

Utd on the other hand dont have any financial restraints compete into the knockout stages of CL every year have won it under current manager and start every season as one of the favourites with the ability to buy almost any player.

In a business and football sense Arse dont come near Utd and with this new stadium they never will.

I seen £22 million as being the price on Skysports news the other day.

kdjac

jank

Originally posted by KdjaC


I seen £22 million as being the price on Skysports news the other day.

kdjac

well if u believe skysports on everything then england are the greatest football team ever and charlie v rochester is gonna be the match of the season and well worth the 9.99 to pay to see it on pay per view

arsenal are one of the bigest clubs in the world name 10 that are bigger
im not disputing that utd have the bigger pull of money but arsenal are doing a fine job in compteing with them with half of utd's resources (just look at leeds and liverpool)
and the money situation will only get better for arsenal when thier new statdium is built (remember their gonna turn highbury into a block of exclusive appartments and that in itself is worth tens if not 100's million(check it on arsenal.com)

p.pete

I actually agree with most of the points you make about Arsenal.
Financially strapped, squad not that deep, support not as big as Uniteds.

But what Jank said about it being like Keane joining Liverpool (or Leeds, or Arsenal), can you see that happening? Forget about money and all the other points which are mostly true - it just aint going to happen.

jank

(posted above by accident)!!!!

well what im saying is that viera is going nowhere and asrenal ARE a big club in the world of football

The Muppet

LOL

Big in comparison to who certaintainly not Man U

Cant see Viera going to The Theatre of Dreams but as we have seen lately Money Talks.

cournioni

Apart from Sol Campbell going to Arsenal on a Bosman. Think about Figo moving from Barca to Real Madrid. Don't tell me that money didn't talk there. I know Figo had a buy out clause in his contract but he could have rejected the move if he wanted.

Money talks.

kmart6

Thers no chance United will sign him they dont need him

s8n

Thers no chance United will sign him they dont need him

don't know if I agree with that, keane aint getting any younger

GuanYin

See I thought this thread should be in humour, coz its just plain funny.

But after seeing this next post....

Originally posted by kmart6
Thers no chance United will sign him they dont need him

I'm convinced!!!!

FFS, "Utd. dont need the leagues best midfielder"

sheesh!

cournioni

No one in the Premiership would be able to challenge United if they had Vieira on board. I'm sure most of you will agree.

Wolf

Originally posted by ciano
Ì'll believe it when I see it.

Not saying its impossible.....

but ditto

p.pete

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
No one in the Premiership would be able to challenge United if they had Vieira on board. I'm sure most of you will agree.

Not true, I'm convinced that if United get Viera then Liverpool will be gauranteed to sign Ronaldo and Zidane from Real and I hear Totti will also quite likely come to Merseyside.

Should be able to give United a decent run in:p .

Arsenal would of course use the 50 million (sterling) from the Viera sale to buy several top class youth players who will all turn out better than Viera and United can buy them for 50 million as well.

Sposs

Originally posted by jank


arsenal are one of the bigest clubs in the world name 10 that are bigger

Real Madrid
Man Utd
AC Milan
Inter Milan
Juventus
Barcelona
Liverpool
Bayern Munich
Ajax
Lazio
Roma
Valenica

i think thats 12

p.pete

And you didn't even touch South America;)

carbsy

Cork City FC

The Muppet

No one in the Premiership would be able to challenge United if they had Vieira on board. I'm sure most of you will agree.

I dont agree
Is that not what was said when Veron was signed.

IMO only Players that really want to play for united should be signed . Viera has quoted publically that he does not. End Of story.

jank

Originally posted by Sposs
Real Madrid
Man Utd
AC Milan
Inter Milan
Juventus
Barcelona
Liverpool
Bayern Munich
Ajax
Lazio
Roma
Valenica

i think thats 12

ok were going by european reputations arent we
so what have roma, lazio, valencia, barcelona even liverpool (uefa cup doesnt count, if it does we should include porto in that list)
achieved in the last ten years

what have liverpool achieved at all in the past few years
feck all really

barcelona and liverpool not in champs league this year!!!

roma and lazio??
big clubs but not anybigger or better than arsenal

who comes 13th rangers celtic??
where would arsenal come in your list
outside a top 25 i bet lol:D

The Muppet

I think you are confusing the size of the club with the success of the club. IMO when referring to the size of a soccer club the supporter numbers, earning power, ability to attract world class players, club history, and stadium size is the criteria which defines how big the club really is. There are many bigger clubs in the premiership that are bigger than arsenal without even looking to Europe. Their current financial situation is evidence enough of this fact.

Spud

u will never see vieira in a united shirt

p.pete

Originally posted by spudz
u will never see vieira in a united shirt

I'm sure he'll have reason to swap jerseys at some stage at the end of a match - even then though, I'm not so sure he'd bother.

Sposs

Originally posted by jank
ok were going by european reputations arent we
so what have roma, lazio, valencia, barcelona even liverpool (uefa cup doesnt count, if it does we should include porto in that list)
achieved in the last ten years

what have liverpool achieved at all in the past few years
feck all really

barcelona and liverpool not in champs league this year!!!

roma and lazio??
big clubs but not anybigger or better than arsenal

who comes 13th rangers celtic??
where would arsenal come in your list
outside a top 25 i bet lol:D

My List was for Clubs which i think are bigger than Arsenal in terms of Fan Base,Size,Finance ,ability to attract top players,History,and ability to do well in Europe. Arsenal dont have as much as the clubs i named.I would have them next on the list do.

The Muppet

He would just be an expensive substitute at the moment anyway.
A Bit like Becks at Real. I think Alex is looking to the Cameroon for Keanos successor.