David Long to appear on RTE news.

Dustaz

Originally posted by Banished-She
A person can say whatever they want in front of a microphone, and we'll never know. They (RTÉ or whomever) will take the tape and edit it down to a 5-10 second sound byte which barely reflects what was said anyway. If it's not so simple that a 6th class drop-out can understand it, it won't be aired.

Good explanation BS

Being an Editor myself i always forget that people totally underestimate what editing can actually do.

And speaking as an editor, i know EXACTLY why David's comments appeared as they did. They were Short and Relevant to the piece at hand. In fact he was lucky to get the extra bits that he DID say out. I dont do a lot of News Editing but from past expeirience the Journalists tend to take the best 2 lines from any given answer based on relavence and how they sound. They dont do it from an investigative point of view.

Shinzon, it was NOT the same information you have heard over and over again. 100 exchanges out of 1100 is an impressive stat to get broadcasted and it certainly has never appeared on television before.

How exactly can Ioffl be more aggressive? Should they follow your tact when approaching TV3 (Seeing as that was so successfull the first time around)?


A Government minister recieved more airtime than a little known public interest group? SHOCKER - CALL THE PAPERS.
Good god, scale back your expectations.

shinzon

the ioffl group could just with a smidgeon of self belief broaden there expectations rather than asking me to diminish mine.

shin

SkepticOne

Originally posted by shinzon
the ioffl group could just with a smidgeon of self belief broaden there expectations rather than asking me to diminish mine.

shin

Like staying at home when invited to appear on national tv.

shinzon

To put this TV3 thing to be once and for all because people are attacking me for speaking my mind


1) there was a very good reason that I could not do that interview, and this cannot be published on the boards, you can ask dannger himself why i declined to appear.

Regards

Shin

eth0_

Shinzon, perhaps you could put forward a proposal on how IOFFL can best cast their net wider, seeing as you obviously consider yourself an authority on self promotion...

SkepticOne

Originally posted by shinzon
1) there was a very good reason that I could not do that interview, and this cannot be published on the boards, you can ask dannger himself why i declined to appear.

No, I was not talking about whether or not you appear on TV3. Why would anyone care whether or not you appear on TV3?

I was referring to your attitude towards IOFFL appearing on RTE news:

It was a vegetable piece pure and simple, nothing will be said to rock the boat, eircom has there foot in RTES door, they sponsor the weather have ads on the telly ETC ETC ETC

Your suggestion appears to be that IOFFL should have not bothered appearing simply because they would not get a chance to be forcefull about the issues of being ripped off, etc.

Bard

Originally posted by shinzon

It was a vegetable piece pure and simple, nothing will be said to rock the boat, eircom has there foot in RTES door, they sponsor the weather have ads on the telly ETC ETC ETC

So because eircom sponsor the weather reports and have ads on RTÉ television, RTÉ are therefore wrapped around eircom's "little finger"? Sorry shinzon, but what a bunch of crap.

Originally posted by shinzon

And if RTE dont want to report on that then goto TV3 who are not constrained by the rather kiss my big roundy advertised stranglehold arse attitude of eircom

Ehhh, eircom also sponsor tv3's weather reports and advertise on their TV station. By your reckoning they should be in the same position as RTÉ.

The simple reasons why this doesn't get more media coverage are that the interest isn't really there in our un-informed general population and there are much bigger news stories around at the moment.

Relax. You'll live longer.

shinzon

i dont consider myself an autority on self promotion, im suggesting ioffls strategy is out of date, come friday friaco is moot its here whatever price its at

broadband is here, expensive but its here, its now time t stop educating the populace about these if they want it its there, its time ioffl turns its head towards there own charter

2. Universal access to broadband services for all users.


lest anyones forgotten it, taken directly from irelandoffline.org, i say forget about the fluff pieces and concentrate on what irelandoffline was set up for in the first place, and yes i did edit it by taking out the affordale part to make it easier for the members in the audience to understand what im talking about

Regards

Shin

SkepticOne

Originally posted by shinzon
lest anyones forgotten it, taken directly from irelandoffline.org, i say forget about the fluff pieces and concentrate on what irelandoffline was set up for in the first place, and yes i did edit it by taking out the affordale part to make it easier for the members in the audience to understand what im talking about

I disagree with this. While the fluff pieces won't be saying anything new to people on this forum (most people understand this), they are important for raising the profile of IOFFL. This opens further doors where the issues can be addressed in further detail. Raising the profile and keeping it there is an important and ongoing task.

bk

Originally posted by shinzon

2. Universal access to broadband services for all users.


lest anyones forgotten it, taken directly from irelandoffline.org, i say forget about the fluff pieces and concentrate on what irelandoffline was set up for in the first place

This is exactly what IOFFL have been concentrating on every day since we got FRIACO in the bag.

I imagine IOFFL's strategy is to get the ear of the decision makers in the Irish government such as Dermot Aherns office and ComReg and persuade them to mandate what we want.

These are the only people that can really make a change to the status quo, Eircom couldn't care less about what we say or do.

We get to talk to the people in power because we come across as intelligent, well informed and professional organisation, with whom they can work with in confidence.

If IOFFL went on TV and said Eircom where lying, thieving ba****ds (which they are) it wouldn't help our cause at all, it would only make us look unprofessional in the eyes of the people in power and close many doors to us.

I'd imagine this is why IOFFL goes for the soft approach in the media, to build awareness of the situation while maintaining the professionalism. In the meantime the real work goes on behind closed doors.

Dustaz

Originally posted by shinzon

1) there was a very good reason that I could not do that interview, and this cannot be published on the boards, you can ask dannger himself why i declined to appear.

IIRC, your complaint to TV3 was not based in fact and it was this that led to a piece being mooted.

That whole episode should have been a lesson that the softly softly approach is the one to take - not the raving "OMG BASTARDS YUOR ALL LAMERS" avenue.

DeVore

IOFFL have not put a foot wrong imho since they started.
Witnessed by the fact that they just shared an RTE slot with the Minister For Communications.

Sorry.. but who the fnck are we again? Some bunch of angry nerds on a mission!

Pretty damned good I'd say.

To steal a phrase... a lot done, more to do.


DeV.

parasite

even though you're resigning as chairman, are you still going to be the spokesperson, in effect ?
it would be a shame as you come across as very reasonable, not just an angry geek etc . blah

shinzon

I give up i really do, im not saying we should go banner waving to donnybrook or flame bomb the dail, but softly softly should now be put to one side and the goals and aims i stated above should be put into action immediately if not sooner

also where did i state anywhere in my posts that we should call eircom lying thieving bastards, never, but IMHO things should start to be dropped into interviews about eircoms anti-competitive nature whether it be a fluff piece or not

Regards

Shin

RE TV3, this interview was not dropped, I asked on numerous occasions whether it was still on, I was assured by david that it was very much still on, but it seems its just dropped off the radar altogether

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Dustaz
IIRC, your complaint to TV3 was not based in fact and it was this that led to a piece being mooted.

That whole episode should have been a lesson that the softly softly approach is the one to take - not the raving "OMG BASTARDS YUOR ALL LAMERS" avenue.

The episode led to the "Media Contact" sticky at the top of the forum, so it was not a total waste.

Dangger

I was assured by david that it was very much still on, but it seems its just dropped off the radar altogether

We decided to try and use the TV3 opportunity to greater effect for coverage of an event we are planning in September, so all is not lost.

monument

Originally posted by Cuauhtemoc
I'd have to disagree with the *most* people in ireland don't know what the internet is.

Most people in Ireland think the internet is porn, airline tickets, for filling out your the CAO form and an *insecure* place to buy things.

Most people in Ireland are very confused or don’t want to know what broadband does. This confusion is added to when the media and advertisements mix up types of broadband (i.e. ASDL, Cable) which are on the market and independent “broadband” infrastructure which is currently been installed in a few towns around the country.

VeeEmmy

I must point out a mistake: Cuauhtemoc mis-read my post and monument has referred to Cuauhtemoc's comments on the mis-read.

I did not say that most people in Ireland don't know what the Internet is. I said *most* people in Ireland do not
*USE* the internet.

I have to agree with monument's comments about what a huge, huge percentage of people think that it is: porn, predatory paedophiles, credit card rip-offs, viruses and invasion of privacy.

Those of us who live and/or work in cities, use the internet and interact with people of similar description are living in a naive bubble to think that the majority of people living in Ireland do what we do and think like we do.

I live in a village in a rural county. 95% of the people there, I'd venture to say, first have no computer, and second, if they have one, have not connected to the internet.

For those of us fortunate enough to have access at work, a HUGE number of our co-workers do not get online at home. They use fast internet at work, and have no idea what it's like to connect at the mind-numbing "speed" of 16.8!!

The news is watched by all the people (by Joe Bloggs who is 75 and can't read as well as the nuclear physicist type), and especially by the ones who don't access the internet. The internet is used AT HOME by a relatively tiny portion of folks.

Joe Bloggs votes too, and he doesn't care about the internet. Politicians know that only too well.

Dave Long represents IOFFL very well, in my opinion. But sure, if folks don't like how he's performing, we could always lower his salary.

Oh... yeah... I forgot... we don't pay him anything.

P.S. I know ppl at RTÉ, and eircom is a cash cow. Smart dogs do not bite the hand that feeds them. RTÉ needs eircom's advert money waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than eircom needs RTÉ.

Ban'

Cuauhtemoc

I must point out a mistake: Cuauhtemoc mis-read my post and monument has referred to Cuauhtemoc's comments on the mis-read.

I've corrected my earlier typo..

I may have mistyped my reply, but the my original statement was still a response to most people don't use the internet.

I still think your wrong about most people not using the internet. Unfortunately i can't place my hands on any facts or figures so maybe someone else can chip in with those but as in my earlier post work/college/schools/kids with xboxes must account for a fair few people.
A rural/city split on usage figures would be interesting.

I don't think i'm in a naive bubble here at all. I'm from rural area myself which i don't ever see as getting broadband(short of a satellite connection), my average dial in speed there was an even more mind numbing 4.1kbps, unusable basically unless you have infinite patience.

The majority of people in ireland live in cities anyway so it'd be a big bubble.

I don't think the porn statement is entirely fair either, and even if it was these people would be especially interested in a faster internet connection given the current slowness of viewing pictures or whatever. (so i've heard )

The internet maybe used at home by a tiny number of people precisely because its so slow, so they use it at work instead if they have it there(i've no figures for this either). and the ads advertising internet access at 10 times the current speed would certainly grab their attention.

I've no problems with Dave Longs representation of IOFFL and certainly wouldn't presume to think i could do any better. More publicity would be nice i know its difficult, but still i know a lot of IT people who've never heard of them.

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C.

VeeEmmy

Cuauhtemoc, so there's no misunderstanding ... the only comment in my last post referring to you was in relation to the "know/use" word. Everything that followed was just general comments in response to various things in this thread and my general pontificating.

I guess we'd need to refer to the surveys regarding actual use numbers. My impression is that most people (more than 50%) that I talk to/interact with, do not access the internet at home or work. And I also have vague memories of reading statistics that said less than 50% of the population uses the internet.

I work in Dublin for a large organisation and live in a small village, so my own personal immediate "sample of population" combines the two. I've done no actual studies. Just my unscientific impression. I haven't studied city vs town/village residential demographics.

My "naive bubble" comment was aimed at me and everyone - I think it is human tendency to think that our own priorities and conditions are the most important (for indeed, to us they are!), and should be important and interesting to the population at large. But tv news editors and politicians respond to what will get viewers or votes, not what is actually important.

Ban'

Hyzepher

From the actual news report that David was on - they reported that 38% of the Irish public access the Intenet from home - apparently one of the largest in Europe, but we actually spend very little time online (6 hours a month) - one of the lowest in Europe.

IMO this means that Irish people are very interested in accessing the internet from home but for some reason do not use it as often as our european neighbours - the reason - cost.

Lower the cost and more people will use it more often. When this happens more and more people will start to demand a faster connection - especially if they start to explore the world of the Intenet and come across more and more things that interest them.

Demand for a faster connection will result in demand for broadband. This coupled with the work of David and ioffl should help to rise awareness and eventaully help to provide low cost broadband access to all.

Hyzepher

flav0rflav

I'd be worried that if David followed some of the suggestions made, he'd look like a muppet. And there's enough of them on TG4 on a Sunday.

monument

Originally posted by Cuauhtemoc
kids with xboxes must account for a fair few people.

Xbox Live (online) has not launched in Ireland, but should be here by the end of the year.

Cuauhtemoc

We're getting off topic here but..
Xbox live hasn't officially been launched here but we can still access through the uk, as with this thread...Xbox live gamers

monument

That's not going to count for much users.

Cuauhtemoc

You misquoted me,
The original statement was part of..."Huge amounts of people use it everyday in work/college/schools etc, and especially amongst the younger generation who want their xbox live or ps2 to work over the internet."

monument

Misquoting people is something I have so far never done. I would see it ethically wrong for me to do so.

The following is your above post; the only editing I have done is to highlight the text which I first quoted…

Originally posted by Cuauhtemoc
I've corrected my earlier typo..

I may have mistyped my reply, but the my original statement was still a response to most people don't use the internet.

I still think your wrong about most people not using the internet. Unfortunately i can't place my hands on any facts or figures so maybe someone else can chip in with those but as in my earlier post work/college/schools/kids with xboxes must account for a fair few people.
A rural/city split on usage figures would be interesting.

I don't think i'm in a naive bubble here at all. I'm from rural area myself which i don't ever see as getting broadband(short of a satellite connection), my average dial in speed there was an even more mind numbing 4.1kbps, unusable basically unless you have infinite patience.

The majority of people in ireland live in cities anyway so it'd be a big bubble.

I don't think the porn statement is entirely fair either, and even if it was these people would be especially interested in a faster internet connection given the current slowness of viewing pictures or whatever. (so i've heard )

The internet maybe used at home by a tiny number of people precisely because its so slow, so they use it at work instead if they have it there(i've no figures for this either). and the ads advertising internet access at 10 times the current speed would certainly grab their attention.

I've no problems with Dave Longs representation of IOFFL and certainly wouldn't presume to think i could do any better. More publicity would be nice i know its difficult, but still i know a lot of IT people who've never heard of them.

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C.

Back on topic; from what I've seen of IOFFL David and the others have done a good job.

Paddy20

What I would like to know. Especially as I missed Davids appearance on RTE News.

Is when and where is he again due to appear on or in the media?..

Surely this momentous milestone date, today the 27th of June 2003, in the history of the long fight for the introduction
of a fairly priced FRIACO ISP Internet access service has WON AT LAST! for the Irish home and Business* populace is worthy of more media coverage than it appears too be getting.

So come on you Journos and Eds! Get your finger out and inform the general public that they can now enjoy the greatest communication invention since the telephone at a fixed monthly flat fee. Mainly thanks to the sterling campaign waged against the odds by IrelandOFFline its Committee its Chairman and its members.

Educate Joe Public, after all is that not part of the medias brief and your responsibility too your readers/listeners and viewers.

At the very least you owe the good citizens of the Irish Republic at least that ?..

Paddy20:eek:

LFCFan

Originally posted by shinzon
1) there was a very good reason that I could not do that interview

Are ya an ugly bastard?

shinzon

No quite rugged actually

Shin