Defacers Challenge

Rorshach

Anyone checked thisout yet?

www.defacers-challenge.com

Sunday will not be a day of rest........

:eek:

tom-thebox

There was a post made on the web hosting board, by people used to dealing with such crap

here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?forumid=160

you got to love it.

nosmo

This is just stupid. Some script kiddie posts something up, other script kiddies think the other is a God, they all go nuts doing their best, and I think in the end, those stupid enough to take part won't even manage to break anything.

Señor Juárez

/me agrees, despite having no skillz at all

tom-thebox

That sort of thinking is the main scource of insecuritys, in this day and age people try to censor hackers calling them script kiddies banning them from irc channels, "security" forums (hehe thats a funny one)

Well in fact they may have a slight or commerical knowladge of unix but cant even try to think out side the box.

I am not sticking up for defacers however one only has to look around, compare the progress of a script kiddie to a so called admin.

You will soon see most of these so called admins have headsets on. :rolleyes:

mneylon

IMHO the real danger doesn't come from skilled people but from those who haven't got a clue.

The defacenet challenge is being hyped up by the media. The same media that hype up a lot of other things that we have seen for a long time, but nobody listened to us about.

The only thing this weekend that makes it any different is that our (in a broad sense) clients are aware of the danger. Normally they don't know what we are protecting (or trying to protect) them from.

tom-thebox

Originally posted by blacknight
IMHO the real danger doesn't come from skilled people but from those who haven't got a clue.

Yeah but I am sure you will notice 60% of these skilled people where once knocking off servers once with exploits and due to their interest in security they have moved on hitting online security from other angles.

Emboss

The voice of expirience

DeVore

I dont denegrate people who experiment with security breaches. Particularly those who follow the *old* hacker morals of "Do No Harm" and "Explain The Flaw".

Script Kiddies on the other hand (or Kidiots, as I like to call them). Possess only a fraction of the knowledge of a real hacker, sufficent to running a script and pointing it at an ip or range.

When they DO get in they have no interest in learning, exploring or explaining. They want to scrawl "Kevo Was 'ere!" in green crayon on someone's hard work.

They make no political statement, since they have to hack whatever is vulnerable they cant target sites like Nike/Nestle etc...

They learn nothing since the script did it all for them.

They create nothing of value, just cleanup work for the unfortunate webmaster.

They are the tracksuit wearing, fakegold-festooned skangers of the internet and I certainly feel nothing for them but contempt.

Hacker's had (and sometimes still have) a culture to be proud of, unfortunately it became "kewl" but its beyond the capacity of the wannabees.

DeV.

Capt'n Midnight

You know where people pushed the envelope of what any equipment could do in terms of functionality and performance..
The world wide web being one of the biggest hacks..
Most of what radio amaturs do is hacking

Unfortunately the positive connotations of the word have been lost forever - no one "hacks" something together anymore - it is always referred to in a destructive way.. "hack into"

The genie is out of the bottle and the mass media won't use the word "cracker" (script kiddies --> cracker nackers ?)

So what is the appropiate single word for old style hacking - in the freedom to improve and innovate sense ?

DeVore

lol @ "Cracker Knackers"

DeV.

scojones

Originally posted by DeVore

Script Kiddies on the other hand (or Kidiots, as I like to call them). Possess only a fraction of the knowledge of a real hacker,

I wouldn't even go that far with it Dev. They posess ./ keys and that is it

tom-thebox

hehe funny stuff to be honest, its interesting to see other peoples views on such issues, comical sometimes yet interesting.

Martyr

I don't believe in the bogus arguement of `hacker morals'.
As far as i'm concerned the groups of people who existed
years ago are as lame as some groups out today.

If you go to particular security websites and look at the history
of the group or individuals.
You will know that they started out the same way as everyone
else, yet try to tell us that it was different in their days like
they are your grandad.
And they had more responsibility but still used nukers and mail bombers, or smurfed someone on IRC..and blah blah.

Expect me to sit and listen to them yapping on about phone
phreaking, and VMS dinosaur computers, and the whole culture
of nothing.going out drinking and smoking wacky backy, surely
they must have achieved loads all those years stoned off their head, aye.

They're all the same, and its not even an issue for any
serious hacker...just don't care about idiotic religious debates
on `hacker' culture, morals..its all mediocre crap.
No one really gives a damn in the end.
This is my own opinion, just think about that before any of
you want to jump in and personally attack me because you're
having a bad day.

There are less prolific hackers with a lot of talent, who don't do the media thing, just get on with it what they enjoy doing.

They don't use fancy words to explain simple concepts to confuse
potential customers in the ludicrous business of E-security..

I don't agree with web defacements, its a waste of time, whether
it be making a statement or not, but its much more innocent
than you think.
You can imagine someone obtaining access and simply keeping
their mouth shut for months, that is a more serious issue if you
ask me, and its pretty widespread I would think too.

I've observed in the past people on systems, they setup programs to collect information, they just sit and wait, visit
the computer every few days to see whats new in their logs.
Don't say a word to the administrator, and he's oblivious to
anything.

Some webmasters should feel lucky a "kidiot" has left their stupid
little scrawl with a green crayon, whatever.
Atleast you know whos been in your system, and what
they've done.
It'd be more worrying if you didn't know for months
someone had gained access, and was simply sitting & waiting
for juicy bits of information to pass them by, information they
could use to elevate privileges or gain access to other computers
with more sensitive information.

If these kids are such idiots, what does that say for the competence of the webmaster whos been `hacked'?

Funny how it is acceptable among some `experts' to obtain access to high profile web sites, yet `lame' to do so on one less secure ones.

Also, I find it amusing, that the people release `proof-of-concept' codes, these so called `grey' and `white' hackers..
The morals go right out the door, its then `look at me'

"Oh, this is just proof of concept, you can use it to _TEST_ your
system if its vulnerable"

I blame the people who release the scripts in the first place.
If there were no scripts, the kids wouldn't be getting anywhere.

Initiating sequence..
Connecting to target...
Sending shellcode...
Have a nice day, the shell is on port 234

ecksor

Good grief, nothing worthwhile to say and you still took a few hundred words to say it.

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