Zepplelin the best

kanurocks · 22-07-2003 5:46am #1

I think we all know led Zeppelin are the best rock band of all time
.with the greatest guitarist jimmy page.i rest my case.

Anyone like to retort?

cournioni · 22-07-2003 3:13pm

To be honest I'd find it hard to say that Led Zeppelin are better than Pantera. And I'd also find it hard to say that Jimmy Page is a better guitarist than Dimebag Darrell. They were a very good band alright.

Lemming · 22-07-2003 3:23pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
To be honest I'd find it hard to say that Led Zeppelin are better than Pantera.

ooooh, I'd be VERY inclined to say Zeppelin are better than Pantera. But then again, at the same time it has to be remembered that they're not exactly the same type of music.

And I'd also find it hard to say that Jimmy Page is a better guitarist than Dimebag Darrell.

Ask most people who like rock and/or metal music to name the 10 best guitarists that spring to mind. I'd be willing to lay odds on how many times Dimebag gets mentioned ahead of Page, if named at all.

Don't get me wrong, Pantera are pretty damn good and Dimebag can do his thing with the guitar, but they aren't in the same league as Zeppelin. Not far off, but nonetheless.

cournioni · 22-07-2003 3:30pm

Key words in there Lemming... "I'd find it hard to say..."

Lemming · 22-07-2003 3:32pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Key words in there Lemming... "I'd find it hard to say..."

touche

nellieswellies · 22-07-2003 3:33pm

I'd be inclined to agree with the above post, I only liked Led Zep up until I got the new DVD but now I have to say I really respect them and all they achieved.
My reason for this is quite simply that when you see how young they were when they wrote most of their classics it really puts them into a league of their own.
Jimmy Page:nowadays probably just seems like a good guitarist but back in the 60's and 70's he was a virtuoso contsantly breaking new ground, I've been playing the guitar for 20 years and I would rate him at number 2 (best of all time) only behind Hendrix, while technically Jimi Page had more skills than Hendrix, Jimi used noises other artists were trying to eliminate from their productions (distortion feedback etc).
As for Dymbag Darryl I think if it werent for guitarists like Jimmy Page guitarists like him probably would not be around today.

Sarky · 22-07-2003 3:34pm

Best? I wouldn't say so, at least until I get round to hearing every other rock band ever.

Certainly among the best, and legends for all time.

nellieswellies · 22-07-2003 3:34pm

the above post being lemming's

cournioni · 22-07-2003 3:41pm

Originally posted by nellieswellies
As for Dymbag Darryl I think if it werent for guitarists like Jimmy Page guitarists like him probably would not be around today.

Hmm... I disagree with you there. Dimebag is a totally different guitarist to Page. For example I can't seem to remember Page doing pinch harmonics, only natural harmonics. I think Eddie Van Halen was a bigger influence on guitarists like Dimebag than Page ever was.

nellieswellies · 22-07-2003 3:44pm

Yes but even Eddie Van Halen is a generation behind Page, whats to say that Page has not influinced the way he plays.

My piont is he was way ahead of his time Daryll was not he was just of his time, which has tragically gone into decline

Giblet · 22-07-2003 5:01pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Hmm... I disagree with you there. Dimebag is a totally different guitarist to Page. For example I can't seem to remember Page doing pinch harmonics, only natural harmonics. I think Eddie Van Halen was a bigger influence on guitarists like Dimebag than Page ever was.

Van Halen was influcenced by Page alright, even as far as to take the idea of handtapping from the song Heartbreaker.

cournioni · 23-07-2003 1:53am

I still don't agree with the comment about guitarists like Dimebag not being around without Page. You just can't say that.

Pugsley · 23-07-2003 2:32am

Id like to be the first to point out the typo in the thread title.... :rolleyes:

ps: Dimebag is waayyy over rated.

cournioni · 23-07-2003 2:57am

Originally posted by Pugsley
ps: Dimebag is waayyy over rated.

Explain Pugs... :mad:

Squall · 23-07-2003 3:22am

while technically Jimi Page had more skills than Hendrix, Jimi used noises other artists were trying to eliminate from their productions (distortion feedback etc).

Ide have to agree with that. Paige was alot more technical Hendrix just oozed natural talent(not that paige doesnt, but you know what i mean), the guitar was like an extension of his body

Zeppelin were an amazing band and i never tire of their stuff

My reason for this is quite simply that when you see how young they were when they wrote most of their classics it really puts them into a league of their own.

Plant wrote Stairway at 22. Now thats an achievement

nellieswellies · 23-07-2003 9:05am

I still don't agree with the comment about guitarists like Dimebag not being around without Page. You just can't say that.

Of course you can if you can back it up and I have done, Im not saying that Dimebag is crap or anything like that if I had half the skills he has I'd be a happy man but the fact remains that he has contributed very little with regard to finding new ground as a guitarist I'd say he has great speed and precision but has in no way contributed as much to the over all advancement of guitar playing as Paige.

Giblet · 23-07-2003 1:33pm

Pinch harmonics and tapping does not impress me.
Crazy ass skiffle type folk music jamming does....

Karl Hungus · 23-07-2003 7:34pm

Personally I would've thought Dimebag would have been most influenced by Tony Iommi.

Crucifix · 23-07-2003 8:01pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Personally I would've thought Dimebag would have been most influenced by Tony Iommi.

I agree, Dimebag's amazing riffage reminds me of Iommi alot.
And reasoning that Page is better than Dimebag, because he influenced someone that influenced Dimebag, would mean the first person to every play a guitar is the greatest guitarist in history. IMO when it gets to this level of skill, it's really about preference.

DriftingRain · 25-07-2003 12:37am

Just to break up an argument.....As far as a guitarist goes..I like Peter Frampton esp. in his album Frampton Comes to life...."Do you feel like we do"!!!

The way he makes his guitar sing and that oh so spine chilling sound...Um.....;)

Pugsley · 26-07-2003 11:38pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Explain Pugs... :mad:

Well so many people see him as gods gift to the guitar, but he isnt THAT good, and he hasnt contributed much to guitaring on the whole either.

If you want sheer speed in playing, Nuno Bettencourt leaves him sitting. You want catch rift's, you dont have to look far down this page to find some of the masters of that.

Im not saying he's cr*p, far from it, he's a very good guitarist, Im just saying hes not as good as alot of people make him out to be.

kanurocks · 04-08-2003 8:40pm

Damn you lemming. i went on holidays and when i came back i saw pantera used in the same sentence as zeppelin.you stupid lemming!!!!!pantera are the **** stain on the duvet of life.

kanurocks · 04-08-2003 8:48pm

MY apoligies lemming it was the trecherous pornapster who i ment to verbally bash..!anywho there definately legends,i mean john bonham is recognised as probably the best drummer who ever lived.he is so technically gifted in every way.and nobody mention dave grohl's name he falls into a much lower catagory

kanurocks · 04-08-2003 9:02pm

oh and this dimebag crapbag slag hag guy who is he!I mean really if he was any good i'd know him.Therefor he is crap {bag!}oopss!:rolleyes:

The_Bullet · 20-08-2003 12:12pm

Deep Purple are the best Rock group of all time.
Deep Purple were even bigger in the 70's then Led Zeppelin.
Jimmy Page is a genius but Deep Purple were a better band.

Reasons why Led Zeppelin are recognized as the best classic rock band are because of Bonham's death and the various line ups DP have had.

But I do like Led Zeppelin also.

Giblet · 20-08-2003 12:56pm

Duplicate

Giblet · 20-08-2003 12:56pm

Deep Purple were not more popular than Zep.
And their lyrics were terrible.
Ritchie "whammy bar" Blackmore wasn't original in anything he did, and where is he now, in his castle playing the lute to his wenchs.
Iain Paice was good, as was Ian Glen.
But I think Bonham and Jones were both better.

They had some good songs, but you can't compare them to Zep.

cournioni · 21-08-2003 2:38am

Originally posted by kanurocks
Damn you lemming. i went on holidays and when i came back i saw pantera used in the same sentence as zeppelin.you stupid lemming!!!!!pantera are the **** stain on the duvet of life.

It is obvious that no one listens to you so STFU.

cournioni · 21-08-2003 2:44am

Originally posted by nellieswellies
Of course you can if you can back it up and I have done, Im not saying that Dimebag is crap or anything like that if I had half the skills he has I'd be a happy man but the fact remains that he has contributed very little with regard to finding new ground as a guitarist I'd say he has great speed and precision but has in no way contributed as much to the over all advancement of guitar playing as Paige.

How many people have been directly influenced by Slash? I cant think of many who have been influenced by him. But yet people are inclined to say that he is the best guitarist (not taking anything away from Slash, just making a point).

Blisterman · 21-08-2003 11:28pm

Well there's a differemce between best and most influencial. I mean deep purple are one of the most influencial bands ever, but i definatly wouldn't consider them one of the best.

kanurocks · 23-08-2003 12:24am

eh sorry pornapster ....... what? .whos thread is this ?what its mine,...really .well if no one listens to me then why are people replying to my thread you plank!please go on continue to contradict yourself!and when your done sucking, go ask mummy what you should of said!before she puts you into bed!:rolleyes:

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