Zepplelin the best

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Originally posted by kanurocks
eh sorry pornapster ....... what? .whos thread is this ?what its mine,...really .well if no one listens to me then why are people replying to my thread you plank!please go on continue to contradict yourself!and when your done sucking, go ask mummy what you should of said!before she puts you into bed!:rolleyes:

Did you take that from a book or something?

feylya

But don't forget the Beatles. I'm not saying they were the greatest band or guitarists ever but without them, rock wouldn't be the same. One of Ozzy Osbourne's influences is Paul McCartney and nobody can deny that Ozzy has had an influence on basically ever rock band from the last 20-30 years.

As for the greatest guitarist, I wouldn't rank Page or Dimebag as the top. I'd have people like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie J Malmsteen, John Petrucci, Randy Rhoads, people like that.

feylya

But don't forget the Beatles. I'm not saying they were the greatest band or guitarists ever but without them, rock wouldn't be the same. One of Ozzy Osbourne's influences is Paul McCartney and nobody can deny that Ozzy has had an influence on basically ever rock band from the last 20-30 years.

As for the greatest guitarist, I wouldn't rank Page or Dimebag as the top. I'd have people like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie J Malmsteen, John Petrucci, Randy Rhoads, people like that.

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Originally posted by feylya
As for the greatest guitarist, I wouldn't rank Page or Dimebag as the top. I'd have people like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie J Malmsteen, John Petrucci, Randy Rhoads, people like that.

Indeed. But don't forget about Michael Romeo, Shaun Lane etc.

feylya

Hence the people like that comment :-D

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And Zakk Wylde.

feylya

I don't know if I'd rank Zakk Wylde that highly. Incredibly strong player but very limited style-wise. And he over does the pinch harmonics.

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Originally posted by feylya
I don't know if I'd rank Zakk Wylde that highly. Incredibly strong player but very limited style-wise. And he over does the pinch harmonics.

Get the Ozzy live at Budokan. That should put him up there in your list. His 10 minute solo is simply unbelievable.

af666x

I've heard a lot of pantera - 3 albums wortrh and I've done my utmost to stay away from them since. To even joke about Dimebag being as good as page is an offence punishable by death. Oooh he can do pinch harmonics, big deal. I can do pinch harmonics and I've been playing 8 months.

Here's an idea - look at both players techniques and styles and see technique for technique who can do what.

Clapton is probably the best and most perfect guitarist of all time but would he get a mention? No, because he's not as good as writing songs as playing guitar.

Long story short - Dimebag is good but Page is better.

Giblet

Only playing 8 months, and the boy makes sense already!

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Originally posted by af666x
I've heard a lot of pantera - 3 albums wortrh and I've done my utmost to stay away from them since. To even joke about Dimebag being as good as page is an offence punishable by death. Oooh he can do pinch harmonics, big deal. I can do pinch harmonics and I've been playing 8 months.

Here's an idea - look at both players techniques and styles and see technique for technique who can do what.

Clapton is probably the best and most perfect guitarist of all time but would he get a mention? No, because he's not as good as writing songs as playing guitar.

Long story short - Dimebag is good but Page is better.

I've been playing for over 3 and a half years and I say that Dimebag is better. Plain and simple.

Lemming

Give it a couple of years pornapster ... I've seen you starting to mellow over the last year already

Ah ... all so reminiscent of my youth.

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Originally posted by Lemming
Give it a couple of years pornapster ... I've seen you starting to mellow over the last year already

Ah ... all so reminiscent of my youth.

How grown up of you.

Giblet

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I've been playing for over 3 and a half years and I say that Dimebag is better. Plain and simple.

Ah well then, what do newbs like you know :cool:

af666x

Thanks Giblet. Appreciate it.

Here's a quote to live by Pornapster -

"Opinions are like assholes - Everybody's got one, but that doesn't mean you have to listen to them all"

Baggio

Naa sorry can't agree
..I like Zep,,and Sabbath,,,but Rush play the socks of both of them...Lifeson is an extraordinary guitarist and as well as doing all his amazing stuff,,keeps the taurus pedals keyboards going at the same time, so does Geddy lee the singer and Basist,and his bass work is like that of a lead guitarist ive seen plenty of basists but none of his dexterity and speed,, and Neil Peart??,,,without question the greatest drummer ever on the planet...these 3 master craftsmen in one band???..who can compare???..
ANSWER> NO ONE!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,theyve played to more people than Zep, sold more albums, and the 3 are just plain better musicians, their music is more complex,,thats why 70% of their fans are known to be musicians themselves....

NO CONTEST RUSH are different class,,they dont shine on this album or that..ever since 2112 back in 76,,theyve shined on ALL their albums and on all tracks,,,they aim higher than anyone else,,with a 3 piece it would be enough to play well, RUSH play like a 6piece and STILL make it look easy live...don't believe me???.get some of their albums and their new DVD...you won't need convincing after .

ciao' Baggio.................

Giblet

Are you some sort of Rush PR guy, you've been ranting about them on a couple of threads now.

Geddy Lee is a rubbish vocalist and even worse lyricist!

Wierd timings don't impress me if they sound rubbish...Spirit of the Radio, what an embarressing song!

Bonham knocks the socks off Peart.

Baggio

Hey Giblet,
,,don't worry about it,,, PR guy??,,naa Im like most Rush fans,,hehe
Geddy Lee's lyrics?..ahem,,,umm lee doesn't write the lyrics, Neil Peart does!,,
] Fancy time keeping if it's no good?..hhaa thats a laugh any musician worth his salt knows damm well how good Rush are at it.
Boham Better than Peart,,BIGGEST LAUGH OF ALL..."Neil.. Peart has influenced more drummers the world over than any other drummer in history along with Buddy Rich, he has pushed the boundaries beyond what any other has ever achieved",,,-quote from Modern Drummer magazine..(you know,,the REAL drummers monthly read!).
Peart makes Bonham look pedestrian at best!
Spirit Of Radio a embarressing song.,..well great guitar riffs, superior lyrics, oustanding drumming and percussion, great twsist and turns in different times and paces,,,,embarressing song??..well maybe... if you dont like anything too difficult to understand!!..hahaha sory Giblet,,great if you like Zep,,,but leave the real accolades to the real mastercraftsmen,,believe me,,,i've seen both I KNOW wich band is better....ciao' amigo,,,Baggio

Giblet

yes,,well,,maybe we@%^re no+ all,,,ass pretentious as,,,you.

Some magazine says he is great and thats your basis, what about opinions man.
Quotes get thrown around like babies from broken homes, doesn't mean they have any merit.

Wierd timings too difficult to understand, sorry but it's not rocket science.
I know they're good at it, doesn't mean it sounds well!

Baggio

Hey Gib..no problemo....Peart isn't the best because "A" magazine said so,,,,,,,opinion?-,,anyone who's seen him,,,(and I know you and the folks in this country haven't!)...know he's different class,,,and their music is just higher standard,,and it DOES sound damn good,, Pretentious??..naa,,I just like good quality stuff,,Jethro Tull, Horslips, lots of stuff,,,I like Rush best of all thats all..you really shouldn't get so worked up...can I ask your age btw?..just curuious...have you sen many great bands..and thats NOT a smart remark,,just genuine curiosity.
Opinions are one thing,...facts are another. ,,tell you what,,,you watch their DVD and tell me Honestly what you think afterwards,,,how does that sound?....ciao amigo...Baggio

funktastic

Rush are technically excellent on their instruments , but its musical ****.Your probably a bit of a Rick Wakeman and Yes fan as well. Fair enough weird time signatures and all, but Rush just do it for the sake of doing it.There's no emotion or real genuine feeling in their songs.


Quote: 'Boham Better than Peart,,BIGGEST LAUGH OF ALL..."Neil.. Peart has influenced more drummers the world over than any other drummer in history along with Buddy Rich, he has pushed the boundaries beyond what any other has ever achieved",,,-quote from Modern Drummer magazine..(you know,,the REAL drummers monthly read!).'
Ringo ****in Starr made more people over the world pick up the drums since the 60s.Due to the Beatles profile.Peart will undoubtedly influence the more advanced drummers,but Zeppelins music and Bonhams drumming is more raw and timeless than Rush.Its not about how technically brilliant Peart is on his kit,but Bonham plays with more power andemotion.Not just spending six hours thinking of a complicated fill on roto-toms for the sake of it.
Fine Peart probably is better technically but is that all your supposed to look for in a musician? I've seen plenty of really good musicians in bands, like rush and stuff like Emerson lake and Palmer, jazz drummers-Rich,Krupa,Tony Williams, Morello,De Johnette,Steve Gadd it's fine but its ****ing tiring,you can listen to it on and off but its not gonna be timeless music its just musical **** with nothing being said, no feeling just 'yeah insert 7/8 solo here 'cos our all male audience will think its the ****'etc.

Baggio

Hey Funk,
thanx for the inspiring thoughts,,,musical ****??..hmmm naaa thats the garbage Ive had to listen to on on the radio /tv etc, Beatles??..I yawn and Yawn when I hear folks on about them,,,tedious and DEFFInatley timed out....timeless music?.hhmm theres a good bit out there, any of Rush's late 70's and 80's stuff still sound/feels terrific now, feel of a song is critical, and there the best at illustration of a subject thru music, Yes fan?..naa not really...I don't like aimless music, Rush never did too much of anything for too long, thats the key to fresh approaches in music, Ringo Starr??...nice fella, tedious drummer.
What about feel??...gosh how often do I hear folks say that??..not you , you understand..I mean mediocare musicians,,"hey less is more man!", "keep it simple man",,etc etc...less is only less , simple is for foot tappers and Rush?...well their for people who like their live performers to give value for money thru effort and playing to the MAXIMUM, not the minimum.....ciao' amigo...Baggio.

funktastic

ok baggio fair enough,I don't want to get into a childish argument. I never hyped up the Beatles.
I said Ringo had the most influence in people 'picking up' the drums, I know he's not a great drummer. I'm just talking about a bit of variety in tastes of music, stuck in a rut of prog-rock suff like Rush , people that can only listen to music that challenges them tecnically.Yeah I like technical stuff, but I'm not gonna sit through an entire Rush album, yes it does get tedious,but you're obviously a hardcore fan so what can i say?
I don't see how you can sarcastically call me a 'mediocare(sic) musician',I could send you examples of my drumming ,but whats the point?I can play technical stuff but I'm not stuck in a phase whereby all I listen to is technical prog rock. Anyway good luck.

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Pantera > Rush.

Baggio

Funktastic;
..hey my man..sorry if you thought I was calling YOU a mediocare drummer...thats my mistake I never meant you at all, tell you the truth, I didn't realize you were a drummer. So apologies if it came over like that, it wasn't intentional. Hey I'd love to hear some of your stuff, I am a drumming fanatic I suppose, and Rush are just my favourites, I love Jethro Tull almost as much...how about you?..any real favourite bands for you?

anyway must go...best of luck and keep on rocking....ciao'..Baggio..

RicardoSmith

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Maybe you like Rush or maybe you don't. Both opinions are equally valid. Personally I find them boring. But I can accept that are good muscians but that doesn't mean that they connect with everyone. Theres no "value" judgement to be made. To call music you don't like garbage is fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But theres a fine line between having an opinion and being a muscial snob and zealot. To make a value judgment based on the fact that a band has been together for more years than another band or that they have sold more albums than another one is just laughable. Theres so many variables involved that makes the comparision worthless. Unless you're an accountant or something. Influencial quitarists come in all shapes and sizes. Hurt Cobain was a very influencial quitar player. Technical ability was nothing to do with it. Van Halen was very influencial. They started whole trends in music and quitar playing that followed them.

Rush. I'd say I know only one or two people who even heard of them. Yeah they are musicians. But no they don't like Rush either. Do the same with Deep Purple and then do the same with Zep. Zep are vastly better known than either Rush or DP. That proves not one damn thing other then the fact that more people know, and thus by the sheer weight of numbers like 'em. Compare Zep and Van Halen against some one like the Beatles and the Beatles are light years ahead in terms of popularity. Again that says nothing only that more people like 'em.

As for Pantera and Dimebag. No matter how good he is, hes not as influencial as Page, for the simple reason he hasn't reached as many people to infuence. Thats just a fact. I wouldn't say he launched a wave of new bands and players in his wake. Same with Slash hes got too distinctive a style as has Page. Whereas someone like Eddie Van Halen almost singlehandly started the Quitar Metal Wave of the 80's. GnR were at the tail end of that. Oasis had more of influence than GnR at that time.

A player does not need great technical ability to have a great influence on other players. Lots of great players and musicans have been mentioned in this thread. But very few of them are influencial players. As for Page and Clapton, they are very much the product of their enviroment. That whole bluesbreakers scene is where they came from. But what trends did they set themselves? Musically? Sure they inspired lots of people. But that different.

Baggio

Ricardo,
how goes it, yep ..some valid points alright, I only know 1 or 2 folks into Rush over here aswell,,,still they were veryy popular in the UK, and selling 40odd million albums, (and that is a fact), says something of how well liked by those who know them they really are. Obviously one opinion is as valid as another,,,,I just don't accept that statements like "Zepplin are the best ever..etc"..are valid. That was the ORIGINAL post/point and I responded, I must admit years ago, it did ike me a bit when folks would say..".hey never heard of Rush they mustn't be much good"
now, it just makes me smile and well..I feel priviliged to hear such terrific stuff by 3 terrific musicians, I dont mind what people like,,,thats their own business,,,I just think it's always worth pointing out the terrific talent out there, that thankfully is not all over MTV, radio, tv, magazines etc, and just how good some acts are....
Im not really arguing about a band like Rush to make a point, it's just that with soooo many youngsters into music over here,,,,they shouldnt aim so low in terms of musical ability, cobane and the likes may have been influencial, but It's amazing the kick a person can get out of playing something a bit more challenging and musical, Rush have no hang ups or self ideal about being SUPERIOR-BEING TYPE MUSICIANS, they just are able to do it and show off some ability...and whats wrong with that?? Actually Im surprised at how many folks when they actually hear them find them pretty damn likeable,,,perhaps your not familiar with stuff from late eighties till now???.....well there you have it...musical snob/zealott?..surely not..Im just celebrating great musicians in a hell of a band ...and I like to share....ciao' amigo....................Baggio.

ps: Don't tell me that you wouldn't go to see them if they decided to call to the RDS next year??..I just don't buy that.!..heehehehe farewell............

RicardoSmith

Actually I used to see them on the Metal Hammer TV show whaaaaaaay back, before MTV and the presenter was obviously into them. But nope never could get into them at all. I think I remember "Big Money" when it got some air time for a while. I like a huge range of music and have my fav oddball bands too. For some reason I like Japanese Heavy Metal. Weird. Anyway Rush have a hardcore fanbase and thats way they sell so many albums. If they lost a band member early in their career I doubt they would have survived so long do you?

Baggio

Riccardo,
,,yes your correct, they are really close friends you know,, like family almost, the fact is everyone who follows them knows that they couldn't possibly carry on if one left as Queen haven't done since Freddy Mercury died.
Just as a matter of fact though, Rush were off the road/record for 5 years before last years amazing comeback, Neil Peart's only child was killed in a car crash in 97 and amazingly within a year his wife passed away with cancer, so he just drifted away and many fans thiought they'd never come back, Lifeson and Lee both did solo albums, their both good too...Lee's is easier to listen to, Lifeson's pretty loud to say the least!.
Well Peart recovered and lo and behold the boys were back last year,,,alll arguing/joking aside it WAS marvellous to see them back,,and the latest album Vapour Trails was the loudest and most powerful theyd done for years. Their tour of the US Cananda and Brazil/Mexico was a huge succes,,, but they didn't come to Europe,,,dammmm..ahh well maybe next year if the rumours of a 30th anniversary tour are true...but this new DVD thats coming out next month of that tour last year is going to be fabulous,,,I just can't wait.

ciao' amigo...Baggio.

af666x

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Pantera > Rush.

Firstly: Pornapster
Sweet jesus!!! Give it up. I didn't want to get into this kind of argument with a single minded git like you.

Here's a simple one for ya: Pantera and crap. Oh I'm sorry, did I upset you?!? Good. They are noise for noises sake. I rate them about as highly as Stinkin Park. And I wouldn't pi*s on them (S.P.) if they were on fire.

Stop going on about them like they are the greatest band in the world ever and listen to other peoples opinions for once. I'll admit it, Dimebag is good, I'm not disputing that. Expand your vocabulary and mind. Try not to give so many short answers. It makes you look stupid.

Secondly: Baggio

I'm sorry but Rush are musical ****. In the same way as Clapton is musical ****. Technically amazing, musically superb. Do people give a ****? No.

It takes more than technical supremacy to be a great musician. And you are a similar one-track, broken-record merchant who won't listen to other peoples views, and that bugs me especially from someone who appears to know so much about music.