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Govt Cancels National Development Plan 2002-2006 Today

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Just says down for maintenence.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    Heh, they must've put Cork Corporation in charge of the project. :)

    adam


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Nothing in the irish times breaking news section...
    Nothing on breakingnews.ie ....
    Nothing on the RTE news site ....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭spongebob


    they are currently removing the whole plan from the website, how much more explicit need I be :D ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    "Roight. If we can't have our jet, youse can't have your national development plan!"
    :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    Originally posted by Muck
    they are currently removing the whole plan from the website, how much more explicit need I be :D ?
    ...but we've always been at war with Eurasia


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,944 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Muck is this just you persuming??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    The National Development Plan site is temporarily unavailable due to necessary maintenance.

    Surely they mean lack of will....?:confused:;)

    The joke of course is that the NDP will not be completed any time in the next 10 years at the curent rate of non-prgress.

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭Paddy20


    Quote:- from NDP Website, " The National Development plan is temporarily unavailable due to necessary maintenace " Are they seriously expecting our citizens to believe that ?..

    Are these people who can not even keep a Nationally important Website open. The same people involved in the National Development plan for Ireland. God help us!

    Paddy20.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭spongebob


    No sign of it Today either, its gone all right :(


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭yellum


    Originally posted by mike65

    The joke of course is that the NDP will not be completed any time in the next 10 years

    In reality this should be ongoing. An NDP should never be finished.

    If they cancel this though they are in for some trouble. A lot of their spin and pr has always been around the NDP. Its good fodder for the weak opposition anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,411 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Of course they appeared to have a problem with putting the names of the actual projecfts on the webite is the first place.
    Originally posted by mike65
    The joke of course is that the NDP will not be completed any time in the next 10 years at the curent rate of non-prgress.
    Not a joke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭spongebob


    The projects have been up on that site for 2 years......until they started to cancel them recently.

    The maintenance in question (going on for days now) involves the removal of of a shedload of projects from the NDP .

    Lets see what they do to Kilcullen-Waterford if they ever get it back on line.

    M


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Originally posted by Muck
    .

    Lets see what they do to Kilcullen-Waterford if they ever get it back on line.

    M

    :( That was only added after the event to start with. Then they choose the wrong route, well going via New Ross and Enniscorthy made more sense to me.

    And no Victor your right, its no joke. Anyone remember the 1994-1999 plan? That included the development of new route
    which was supposed to sweep down from Sligo to Rosslare via
    Galway, Limerick and Waterford, the roads in question have
    hardly been touched....

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭spongebob


    They are still removing and rescheduling projects form the NDP . Charlie McCreevey is still in Galway at the races so the site won't go back up until Charlie has a quick look at the drastically reduced list of projects.

    M


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭Lennoxschips


    All these new roads and motorways they are building only fill up with more and more traffic anyway, causing more and more accidents.

    Hospitals, schools and public transportation are falling apart, but hey, there are pointless ringroads springing up everywhere.

    Six years of Celtic Tiger has been royally squandered and the best chance Ireland has ever had to make somthing of itself has disappeared. And I mean royally, because the money seems to have disappeared into the pockets of the few, at the expense of the interest of the many.

    It's nearly enough to make you cry.

    Anyway, rant over.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    This from unison.ie

    Where road millions are being spent

    MORE money is being spent on the roads this year than at any time in the past, triggering a public information drive from the National Roads Authority.

    It yesterday announced plans to explain, through information booklets, how, why and where €1.21bn is being ploughed into roads in 2003.

    The booklets will answer questions about road design, funding, landowner rights, project planning and safety issues. Peter Malone, chairman said: "An improved network, and plans to build 900km of motorways between 2000 and 2006, will help keep the country competitive."

    Which does'nt quite square with the above....


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,411 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Looks like they ahve definitely given up on 2006^H^H^H^H2010. :)

    http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/1155144?view=Eircomnet
    Extra €300m sought for roads
    From:ireland.com
    Thursday, 7th August, 2003
    Political Reporter

    The National Roads Authority has told the Government that it needs an increased budget allocation of at least €300 million next year to complete the roads programme in the National Development Plan in 2010.

    In correspondence released yesterday, the authority also said that the tolling of new or existing routes could leverage €1 billion in additional funding for the roads programme before the end of 2006.

    The authority said work on the plan would continue until 2014 at the current annual expenditure rate of €1.2 billion in State funding.

    Additional State allocations would "improve this picture significantly", the authority said.

    It also argued that early completion of the roads programme would allow funding to be released for investment in major infrastructure for public transport.

    The authority said a further funding increase to €1.7 billion annually in the three years after 2004 would enable the completion of the major routes in the National Development Plan by 2008.

    While only the least busy roads would not be completed until 2010 in that scenario, funding of €1.7 billion would be required in 2008 and 2009.

    Completion of the programme in 2010 would be four years later than projected in the 1999 National Development Plan.

    With delays in planning, constraints on capacity and construction inflation stalling progress, estimates for the cost of the entire initiative have increased substantially to €15.7 billion from €9.18 billion.

    That increase is now under investigation by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr John Purcell. A report is expected shortly.

    The increase has also been heavily criticised by Government and Opposition politicians, who have questioned how the cost of building a kilometre of road has doubled since 1999.

    The latest figures from the authority emerged a day after the new Exchequer figures had indicated that the public finances remained under pressure, with tax revenue well below projections in the Budget last December.

    With the Cabinet facing the toughest budget in a decade, Government Departments are already engaged in the campaign for funding in the Estimates round ahead next year's Budget.

    Inflation has made the debate over the allocation for roads consistently difficult.

    Last year the chairman of the authority, Mr Peter Malone, wrote to the Minister for Transport, Mr Brennan, stating that it was unable on the basis of the funds currently assigned to it to deliver the programme of work outlined in the National Development Plan.

    With Mr Malone urgently seeking guidance on funding from Mr Brennan last year, the 2003 allocation was increased to €1.2 billion.

    Records released yesterday by the National Roads Authority show that it moved in April to seek additional funds for 2004.

    The authority said that an early indication that additional funding would be provided would enable it to plan to have the entire programme finished by 2010.

    The head of corporate affairs at the authority, Mr Michael Egan, said it was satisfied that "an annual provision of €1.7 billion could be used from 2005 onwards, provided a commitment to such funding was received at an early date".

    He added: "You will appreciate that the timing of a decision to increase funding will dictate the extent to which an additional provision above the currently anticipated €1.2 billion could be used in 2004."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kell


    Pardon me for being dumb, but I would like to know where the fúck the additional gains made from the increase in road tax went to if they're not going into improving the roads.

    K-


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,411 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Originally posted by Kell
    Pardon me for being dumb, but I would like to know where the fúck the additional gains made from the increase in road tax went to if they're not going into improving the roads.
    Paying the hospital bills of people hit by drunk / speeding drivers.


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