51 Red Cards

Mossy Monk

since Arsene Wenger took over Arsenal have received 51 red cards (Campbell sent off today). something needs to be done about this. have they stopped going to anger management classes because they need them

smuckers

Wenger will come out with all kinds of excuses "I didn't see it" is the most popular one:)

mike65

Its amazing, you'd think that by now everyone would understand that poor disipline will cost them later in the season. For me its easily Wengers biggest failing at Arsenal.

Mike.

cournioni

And Arsenal fans call Roy Keane a scumbag. :rolleyes:

p.pete

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
And Arsenal fans call Roy Keane a scumbag. :rolleyes:

ditto Stevie Gerard

gandalf

Sorry about calling Keane a scumbag, his full title should be "Traitorous Sir alco Loving scumbag"

Will hold judgement on this latest red card incident until seeing the highlights later (or tomorrow morning depend if I go out on the major piss tonight).

Gandalf.

smemon

keane and vieira are great players. they would shed blood for the team, true hardmen and leaders.

campbell, jeffers, bergkamp and co. are thugs, have no temperment or self-control. arsenal are comical at this stage with their red card every match. the fa should hand out a hefty fine ie, half a million, not ridiculous fee's like 5,000.

gandalf

Well to be honest smemon, as an Arsenal fan I am quite concerned at this now. Not because of fines etc but because of suspensions. These could cost Arsenal the title if the best players are suspended during the title run in etc. It would be nice to see Wenger do something about it.

I'd personally suggest shooting Jeffers in the head in front of the whole squad. Kill two birds with one stone

Gandalf.

smemon

well although its a serious problem i still have a lot of respect for arsenal, a hell of a lot more than i do for liverpool.

at least arsenal compete competitively and go all-out to win. red cards are all part of the teams character at this stage. the fa really should do something though, deduct points would surely wake them up, i dont see why they dont introduce it.

cournioni

Originally posted by p.pete
ditto Stevie Gerard

I never said a word about him.

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by gandalf
These could cost Arsenal the title if the best players are suspended during the title run in etc. It would be nice to see Wenger do something about it.

I'd personally suggest shooting Jeffers in the head in front of the whole squad. Kill two birds with one stone

if it continue it will be another season in 2nd place Wenger has to do something now

shooting Jeffers might be taking it a bit too far but it is an idea

Dcully

It makes me laugh listening about these so-called hardmen.
Put any of them on a GAA pitch whether it be Gaelic footie or hurling.
They would be over run like little boys and wouldnt know what hit them,same can be said of them playing rugby.
OK so they are totally different games but imo they maybe hardmen of soccer but wimps of GAA,Rugby or aussie rules.

BTW im a huge soccer fan but i rarely use the word hardman while thinking or talking about soccer.
I will say that the Gooners will need to cop on and get discipline sorted in a hurry.

Emboss

Originally posted by Dcully
It makes me laugh listening about these so-called hardmen.
Put any of them on a GAA pitch whether it be Gaelic footie or hurling.
They would be over run like little boys and wouldnt know what hit them,same can be said of them playing rugby.
OK so they are totally different games but imo they maybe hardmen of soccer but wimps of GAA,Rugby or aussie rules.

BTW im a huge soccer fan but i rarely use the word hardman while thinking or talking about soccer.
I will say that the Gooners will need to cop on and get discipline sorted in a hurry.

GAA men aren't hardmen, just too stupid to feel any pain....hence why they play GAA no skill envolved

Dcully

hence why they play GAA no skill envolved

Yeah whatever you say! :rolleyes:

Big Ears

i play all four of these sports i think the hardmen of soccer can be just as hard as hurling although not g.football and rugby. Campbell knew what he was doing today get sent off to stop being 1 down its a lot better than jeffers handbags.(shoot jeffers that definetly will show them)

Lionel Hutz

at least half of those 51 sendings off have been questionable, but seeing as its an arsenal player just send him off, admittedly the gooners dont always do themselves any favours with the kicks/spits/punches etc that sometimes went on, but that makes up about 10 legit sendings off since 1996. Today big sol should have never went off today or against utd last season. Roy Keane is a scum bag!

gombín

Eh...Your name wouldn't be Arsene by any chance, would it? As to how you can say at least half the sendings-off were questionable beggers belief. And they wonder why the FA hate them!

Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
at least half of those 51 sendings off have been questionable, but seeing as its an arsenal player just send him off, admittedly the gooners dont always do themselves any favours with the kicks/spits/punches etc that sometimes went on, but that makes up about 10 legit sendings off since 1996. Today big sol should have never went off today or against utd last season. Roy Keane is a scum bag!

Lionel Hutz

'the FA hate them' - You hit the nail right on the head there, how many feckin diciplinary hearings has Paddy V, Bergy and Wrighty before them been to down at FA headquaters for stupid non incidents, while for example Man Utd players V Arsenal in the FA cup last season were on a mission to kick the heads off the gooners and nobody bats an eyelid. Vieira and Bergkamp are no thugs, just marked men with Mark Halsey and the rest of them donkey refs

cournioni

Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
at least half of those 51 sendings off have been questionable, but seeing as its an arsenal player just send him off, admittedly the gooners dont always do themselves any favours with the kicks/spits/punches etc that sometimes went on, but that makes up about 10 legit sendings off since 1996. Today big sol should have never went off today or against utd last season. Roy Keane is a scum bag!

You are of little relevence to existance.

The Muppet

Now that Arsenal have been shown that they are not the most skillful team in the prem they are showing their true temprement as the dirtiest team. It was evident in the Charity shield where but for the leniency shown by the ref campbell would also have recieved a red card.

smemon

as a utd fan i must admit, i was in stitches seeing the arsenal players gettin a right roastin in the fa cup last year. 2 footed challenges, sandwiches, utd were really fired up.

as you point out, nothing was said to them but overall, utd are a much cleaner side than arsenal. 2 red card this season, theyve only played 2 games! and one was a friendly!

its amazing how they still manage to win with 10 men all the time. credit to them for that.

jank

seems to be one rule for utd and another rule for arsenal

it was a harsh sending off yesterday that everton dude went down far 2 easily and it was questionable if campbell was the last man back a yellow seemed fair

it was the same against southampton lats year, a very harsh sending off and dont talk to me about the utd mtach last year!!:mad:

arsenal are not a dirty team they just want to win

as if to prove my point utd go away and score a goal against bolton that should never have been allowed and everyone knows that too but thats just the way it is!!!

smemon

v.nistlerooy was offside, ok, but the ball was heading to scholes anyway, the course of the ball didnt change.

and to be fair to van, he tried to get out of the way so anyone with common sense would allow the goal. well done linesman and ref.

the majority of arsenal's reds are deserved. they are a dirty team. bergkamp, campbell, cole and jeffers are anyway. 51 reds in 6 years. most come at highbury too. the fa need to take action.

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by The Muppet
Now that Arsenal have been shown that they are not the most skillful team in the prem they are showing their true temprement as the dirtiest team. It was evident in the Charity shield where but for the leniency shown by the ref campbell would also have recieved a red card.

what about Djemba. i'd do a lot worse if someone tried to stud me in the groin. it was deliberate

also Scholes was also offside when the offside van Nistelrooy played the ball

Lionel Hutz

who exactly has shown Arsenal they are not the most skillful team in the prem? Bit of a stupid point in any case but Arsenal do play the best football in the league, in fairness i had to change my pants on more than one occasion last season while watchin the gooners.

The Muppet

who exactly has shown Arsenal they are not the most skillful team in the prem?

The Champions Thats who. I know opposing fans dont like it but Knowledgable pundits all recognise that over a Full season it is the best team that triumphs.

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Mossy

Djemba did follow through on his tackle but that does not
change the fact that Campbell lost his head and kicked out at him and if the ref saw it he Should/Would have been sent Off.

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Jank its very early in the season for the paranoia to be setting in or are you suffering from selective eyesight like wenger?;) BTW jank even Wenger couldnt deny that campbell fouled the everton player. As he was last man back making a professional foul under the rules he had to go.
These same rules apply to all teams in the prem. Arsenal are not Exempt.

cournioni

Originally posted by jank
seems to be one rule for utd and another rule for arsenal

Explain...

it was a harsh sending off yesterday that everton dude went down far 2 easily and it was questionable if campbell was the last man back a yellow seemed fair

It was a blatant trip, which stopped a certain goal scoring oppertunity. He had to go.

dont talk to me about the utd mtach last year!!:mad:

Again, Campbell with his deliberate fouls.

arsenal are not a dirty team they just want to win

ROTFLMMFAO. Yeah that is what they all say.

as if to prove my point utd go away and score a goal against bolton that should never have been allowed and everyone knows that too but thats just the way it is!!!

Was Henry not offside for his goal against United at Highbury last year? I think he was.

jank

we shall see this season how many cards utd get
when was the last time a utd player got sent off at old trafford??


im still standing by that areseanl are not a dirty team

ok the ref followed the rules to the book there but they always against arsenal while other teams get away with it(Djemba charity shield straight red card and scholes too)

ill put my hand up if an arsenal get a player sent off if he deserved to go but only until all clubs get the same treatment as arsenal

and whats this that bergkamp is a dirty player?? who here remembers all his great goals through out the year??

like aresnal have enough skill to beat most teams on talent alone u would swear the have to be the new crazy gang of 2003

cournioni

Originally posted by jank
we shall see this season how many cards utd get
when was the last time a utd player got sent off at old trafford??


im still standing by that areseanl are not a dirty team

ok the ref followed the rules to the book there but they always against arsenal while other teams get away with it(Djemba charity shield straight red card and scholes too)

ill put my hand up if an arsenal get a player sent off if he deserved to go but only until all clubs get the same treatment as arsenal

and whats this that bergkamp is a dirty player?? who here remembers all his great goals through out the year??

like aresnal have enough skill to beat most teams on talent alone u would swear the have to be the new crazy gang of 2003

When was the last time a United player deserved to get sent off at Old Trafford should be the question. And I honestly have to say that I cannot remember.

Why exactly do you think Scholes should have got sent off? That little thing that Cole made a meal of as usual? Give me a break. Djemba-Djemba did follow through, and yes he should have been cautioned at least. But if he did get sent off for following through like that Campbell should have been sent off for retaliating.

Every team is getting the same treatment as Arsenal. Alright some referee's may be making harsh sendings off at times against them because of their reputation. But that is Arsenal's fault for having that reputation in the first place.

And yes, Bergkamp can be a very dirty player when things are not going his way.

Dustaz

Its really funny the way this thread started because of a non-violent professional foul. Only one poster so far has spotted this.

Another amusing thing is that most of the people calling arsenal a very dirty team are the same type of people who said things like "Cantona is innocent" "Keane just works hard" and "People like me more now that im a united fan"

SCULLY

Just a few thoughts on the various posts inthis thread:--

1. Campbell deserved to get sent off yesterday
2. Wengers 'I saw nothing' routine ultimatley harms Arsenal only(
(51 red cards is a disgrace)
3. United's 3rd goal v Bolton - should never have been allowed though made no difference to outcome (didn't see Bolton scoring at all 2nd half).
4. Funny you see a man utd fan post his delight at arsenal players getting upset at a charity/community shield match - what about keane loosing the head and getting sent off for chopping poyet down in the same fixture a few seasons ago.

The Muppet

Posted by Dustaz

Another amusing thing is that most of the people calling arsenal a very dirty team are the same type of people who said things like "Cantona is innocent" "Keane just works hard" and "People like me more now that im a united fan"

It would help while quoting peoples posts to include the username to avoid confusion. After a short searchof this forum I can not find the posts containing these quotes leaving me to wonder if they are genuine or just a figment of someones imagination

gandalf

Originally posted by The Muppet
Posted by Dustaz

It would help while quoting peoples posts to include the username to avoid confusion. After a short searchof this forum I can not find the posts containing these quotes leaving me to wonder if they are genuine or just a figment of someones immagination

I think you'll find there are more places to hear comments about football than boards. Theres a whole big world out there

Oh and with regard to the Cantona & Keane "quotes" yes I remember united fans saying things like that as well!

Gandalf.

The Muppet

Posted by gandalf

I think you'll find there are more places to hear comments about football than boards. Theres a whole big world out there

Indeed there is but it would be still helpful to include the source for a quote as i said just to avoid confusion and IMO it would add credibility to the post.

p.pete

Originally posted by The Muppet
Indeed there is but it would be still helpful to include the source for a quote as i said just to avoid confusion and IMO it would add credibility to the post.

Sure whats credibility to a manc?

The Muppet

Chris Waddle with a message for Arsene Wenger


Writing in the Super Soaraway Sun, Chris Waddle had some advice for Arsene:

‘I reckon Arsenal’s boss should be yelling ‘Nobody hates us but I’m paranoid they do.’ Arsene has got it wrong. And, for his own sake — and the sake of his club — he must start putting things in perspective.

‘And sooner rather than later otherwise the Gunners will soon become as unpopular as Arsene thinks they already are. It really looks as though he is getting a persecution complex. He is hitting out at everybody. He thinks the FA are against him and his team and Sky Sports’ coverage of the Gunners is not fair.

‘Now, I do not believe anybody’s got it in for Arsenal — not even the referees who have dished out an alarming 51 red cards to Gunners players since Wenger took over as manager seven years ago.

‘And I refuse to accept anybody truly detests them, either. Other clubs and fans may be jealous of their wonderful achievements — going back to the days of one of Arsene’s predecessors, George Graham.

‘His constant bleating is beginning to irritate and alienate a public who should be marvelling at Arsenal’s football.

Maybe the time has come for Arsene to knock the public moaning on the head.’

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There you go Chris waddle must be a united supporter as well.

The Muppet

Sol Campbell has been charged by the Fa over hi kick on Djemba Djemba in the charity Shield and Pennant sent off in the england u21 . what is it with the arsenal players or is the Fa really out to get them.

My own opinion is that while ther does appear to be a lot of decisions against the gunners there is no conspiracy.

cournioni

Originally posted by Dustaz
Its really funny the way this thread started because of a non-violent professional foul. Only one poster so far has spotted this.

Another amusing thing is that most of the people calling arsenal a very dirty team are the same type of people who said things like "Cantona is innocent" "Keane just works hard" and "People like me more now that im a united fan"

I can accept that Keane and Cantona weren't exactly role models in the discipline aspect of their game. But still Dustaz you are running away from the fact that Arsenal have got 51 red cards since when? 1997? In fairness now, that is a terrible record.

p.pete

Will they produce a video of the first 50 red cards? Like them videos I used to watch as a kid "101 great goals" etc.

Hyzepher

One thing that I would like to point out - the two seasons that Arsenal won the double were the same two seasons that they accumulated the highest amount of red cards since AW took charge - 12 in '98 and 10 in '02

I am not condoning the amount of Red cards but it seems that being competitive and having the will to win seems to have a by-product of producing red cards - at least for Arsenal anyway.

If I was Utd, Liverpool etc., I would be worried if Arsenal started showing such committment so early on.

Hyzepher

The Muppet

United have had their fairs share of red cards keano and cantona being the usual receipants. At the time it looked like certain officials had an agenda but looking at it objectively i would accept that the majority were warrented. If the players dont comit the fouls it would be very difficuly for the officials to persue such an agenda.

Wenger says he thinks "people are after campbell" I dont agree
with this statement on the current evidence as the violent actions On Djemba are there for all to see.

cournioni

Originally posted by Hyzepher
One thing that I would like to point out - the two seasons that Arsenal won the double were the same two seasons that they accumulated the highest amount of red cards since AW took charge - 12 in '98 and 10 in '02

I am not condoning the amount of Red cards but it seems that being competitive and having the will to win seems to have a by-product of producing red cards - at least for Arsenal anyway.

If I was Utd, Liverpool etc., I would be worried if Arsenal started showing such committment so early on.

Hyzepher

Lets hope they show lots and lots of commitment and get the whole team banned.

Mossy Monk

Sky Sports News told me that Pires was involved in a bust up after the game tonight in the tunnel. they didn't say with who though

DapperGent

I think it was Mellberg, who seems to get himself in trouble a good bit.

Pires is a cheeky one though.

bucks73

Probably took a dive on the way back to the dressing room.

Only one person to blame for all this petulence and indiscipline. The manager.

If a normal person acted wrongly in their job at the office/factory/wherever it would be their boss's responsability to discipline them. If no discipline was handed out then the boss would be in trouble.

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by bucks73
Probably took a dive on the way back to the dressing room.

Only one person to blame for all this petulence and indiscipline. The manager.

you seem to know everything that happened seeing as you have made up your mind on the matter. do tell

gandalf

TBH its getting pathetic with the press headlines. What next "Arsenal Player farts in the pool shock !!!"

Gandalf.

The Muppet

TBH its getting pathetic with the press headlines. What next "Arsenal Player farts in the pool shock !!!"

the negative press is all part and parcel of being sucessfull. F**k The begrudgers.

jank

well isntead of all these assholes that still go on about nothing instances why dont ye look at the table and see who's top of the league!!:D

bucks73 seems to know everything about the incicdent so why dont u report it to the FA to help them with their so cald enquiry
other wise shut the f**k up and talk about important issues in football

and why are we posting under the title 51 red cards did someone get sent off last night???
i think not!!!

rant over!!!!

johnpaul

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
And yes, Bergkamp can be a very dirty player when things are not going his way. [/B]

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Too be fair - I agree that Bergkamp can be erratic to say the least.
But lets not forget about Ruud Van - He can also be very dirty - If not for fouls but for the play acting thing.

his 1st season at Und and he was brilliant to say the least - And that takes a lot out me saying that coz I'm an Arsenal fan.

He was physically stronger against defenders in hassling them for the ball and taking them on all the time. Really good to see a striker with no play acting.

And Now....Unfortunately - (and I think it had a lot to do with Ferguson) He has started to play-act a lot more than usual - always looking for penalties (even if he has started to miss them):D

Trying to get players booked and all that carry on --- Now before people jump down my throat - I know a lot of players are at this carry on - but Van does not need to do this - I think he is better when he doesn't go down so easily and he actually runs through the defense and at goal. He is more effective than when ghe is lying down trying to win an OSCAR:D

manic_monster

As most people have pointed out on this board RVN doesn't dive- he goes down under contact(and thus a foul)-however minimal.