Review of Sony Ericsson T610

wheresmybeaver

Hey, I thought I'd write this for anyone thinking about getting a Sony Ericsson T610 or even if you've got a new nokia and you're feeling fairly disappointed with it.. It highlights mostly the issues which are important to me, and the practical issues of using the phone.

I've been using the T610 for just over a week. I used to have a Nokia 8310 so I've been comparing the two most of the time. I've used a few different camera phones like the Sharp GX10, the Panasonic GD87 and the original nokia "plastic brick", so I'll be making similar comparisons. Initially, the T610 is remarkable in that it is very compact and small, and looks great. The build quality is great, the keypad looks good and feels responsive and firm. The menu system is great, but it can be slow, especially when dealing with text messages. The Sharp is much quicker in this respect. It also depends on the theme you're using. Writing an SMS with T9 is slow, and one annoying niggle is that whenever you make a spelling mistake, a message flashes up that the word is not in the dictionary, and this stays for about 2 seconds. No button presses can get rid of it so you have to wait. Its annoying.
Interestingly, you can view and delete words that you have added to the T9 dictionary. You'd be surprised by some of the words that end up in there! Things speed up when you turn T9 off. Opening messages can also be slow, and as there's no indicator that the message is loading it seems very flakey. Although on the 8310 loading messages was also slow, at least you knew that it was loading. (The "Opening" screen). Sent messages are automatically stored in the Sent Items folder, and if you enable delivery reports then the envelope icon beside the message changes to a confirmation tick when delivery is confirmed. A very simple, logical approach that should have always been available on other older phones. Particularly nokias with their dumbass delivery reports that took the space of a text message.
You can save plenty of text messages (about 100) and they don't count towards the 2mb memory. Unsent messages are automatically saved in Unsent Items. You can save important texts to a Sim Archive. Unlike the 8310, you can't have custom folders, but as I only used custom folders for saving notes and information, this doesn't matter that much to me.

The camera is pretty good quality, but there's one weird issue: when you take a picture, the image that freezes on the screen is not the picture that is saved, what you actually get is an image of what happened about a half a second afterwards. So sometimes a picture looks good initially, but then it can turn out blurry or the person blinks or something. Bizarre. So keep your hand still right after taking a photo. Also, each picture, large or small, takes up about 50kb of memory on the phone, but the image is only 15kb when transferred to computer. So you end up filling the 2mb memory fairly quickly. The saving grace here is that the t610 is very well connected: bluetooth and infrared. Browse the T610's memory from your bluetooth PC and copy over photos, ringtones and themes. And already there's quite an online community of T610 users, so there are loads of ringtones, themes and games available to download already. Taking pictures is pretty cool because you can also hold the phone in "landscape" mode, and the Camera button is conveniently placed, which is great for framing photos.

The web browser on the T610 is pretty good too, and it knocks the socks off my old 8310. WAP on the 8310 was completely crap, because connecting to GPRS took way too long, then you could only fit 2 or 3 lines of text. And it was sloooooooow. The T610 WAP browser has a great interface, and WAP pages are very easy to read. Colour makes a huge difference to readability. Checking my Hotmail on mymail.ie looks great and is fast. Its not possible to (easily) keep GPRS permanently connected on the T610 but this doesn't matter as connecting takes about half a second. I've found O2's GPRS response to be a little dodgy at times, when you just can't seem to connect. Happened with my 8310 too. You can download themes, pictures and ringtones directly to your phone from a variety of free wap sites also. (Check out tagtag.com). Issues with the WAP browser: there's a character limit on bookmark addresses, which prevents me from saving certain addresses which are longer than this limit, eg. The Cork cinemas page on O2. Also, there's a problem with mobile.msn.com so you can't use instant messaging. But think about it; you're browsing on a mobile phone. You can't get more instant than actually calling the person, or sending a text.

Call quality is better than my 8310, which suffered from the 8210 problem of clicking and hissing. I also like that the callers picture comes up when receiving calls. The same applies to text messages. The phonebook seems overly complicated to use in comparison to a Nokia, but you get over it. The Ericsson Call List format never used to work too well on older models (such as the T20) because of the small screen, but is very informative on the large screen of

Despite what I've read on the net, the screen is perfectly readable outdoors in the sunshine. Its obviously tougher to read than an old black/white screen, but is on par with other media phones like the Sharp and the Panasonic. The screen is quite bright, but not as bright as the Sharp. You can't change covers on the T610 though, which is slightly worrying as I'm waiting for the first scratch on the beautiful aluminium finish. There’s a nifty red light in the middle of the mini joystick which lights up when the battery is low, and also flashes with some ringtones. I would have liked the signal strength indicator to be a bit more visible though. As it is, its quite small and the signal seems to vary wildly even when you're not moving.

An email client is built in, and is very easy to use. However, there is a very short limit on the length of an email you can send, unless you send it by MMS. MMS allows about a thousand characters, but from what I guess the email client only allows maybe 200 or 250. You can, however, send attachments of pictures you've taken. For the most part, this works out cheaper than sending a picture to an email address with MMS. Especially if you have a GPRS inclusive price plan with o2. From what I can tell, Vodafone is quite pricey when it comes to GPRS.

The T610 has a fairly good calendar, but with one big hassle; you can't have events that repeat annually, ie birthdays. In this situation, when a birthday passes, you have to change the date to the next year. Notes can be saved and one can be posted to the standby screen. The calculator is not as easy to use as a Nokia, but you can download java alternatives.

The T610 supports Mophun games and Java 2 Mobile Edition. Mophun games seem fairly popular and there’s a good selection on the internet. Java performance isn't great on the T610, but for the majority of games its not a problem. There are dozens of J2ME software sites on the internet that provide free games and utilities, and again, these can be downloaded directly via WAP. There are apparently issues with socket support for Java apps that use these protocols to connect to the internet, such as Instant Messaging software. This could be updated in future firmware.

Ringtones sound good on the T610 and are adequately loud. You use MIDI files as polyphonic ring tones, and you should never have to pay for a ringtone as there are millions of MIDI files freely available on the net. Strangely, when you receive a call, a quiet telephone-like sound is emitted, then the ringtone fades in until it reaches full volume. This increasing-volume feature can't be turned off, and I suspect this is to save people from ridiculously loud ringtones and possibly damaging your hearing if the phone is near your ear. This could also be to save us from Nokia users and their Message Received tones at full volume on the bus. You can also change the Message Received tone on the T610. Vibration isn't as strong as my 8310, though you'll still feel it.

I found it a bit uncomfortable getting used to a Sony Ericsson phone at first, but after a week I have had no problems. Also, having used a T20 a few years ago I was already a little familiar with the format.

On paper, the T610 seems to have everything, and this is generally the case in practical terms. Of all the phones out at the moment that I’ve tried, this seems to combine the best of everything; small, built-in camera, Bluetooth, great screen, great looks, great price. I’d imagine that this phone will prove very popular, which would be great because then everyone can share ringtones, pictures, games etc via Bluetooth. As far as I know only Vodafone have plans to launch it in Ireland, and I’d be worried that Vodafone will disable the excellent sharing capabilities as they have in previous live! models. Even so, still a great phone. I’d hope to see this phone on O2 soon.

Mr E

Great review... I bought this phone about 2 weeks ago, and I love it.

Apart from the niggling things you mentioned, I have one more problem with it - Battery Life. I had a Nokia 6610 before it, and I had to charge it every 6 days. With this, its every 3 or 4. Not a terrible complaint, but annoying if you're travelling.

- Dave.

jimhenson

Yeah battery life isnt as good as a nokia or t68i I find that the bluetooth tends to eat in to it, I use a bt headset. Its a great phone, but I think that the screen outdoors on a sunny day is unreadable.

Have you been to www.myt610.com they have lots of themes and ringtones etc for the phone also an unlocking a flashing service.

wheresmybeaver

A bit of an update to the review:

I was messing with a friends t610 that he got today from the same British company I ordered from, it was one with an older firmware than mine for some reason (even though he ordered it a week after I did). I checked the manufacture week (its under the battery on the unit) and it showed w31 (Week 31), which is actually the same as mine. You can tell the firmware by the default screensaver; the old firmware has a spinning cubes screensaver, which is not available with the newer firmware.

Some of the differences I noticed initially: the screen is a LOT dimmer on the older firmware, it was instantly noticable. Adjusting the contrast under settings makes everything lighter, not brighter. I would imagine that this makes the screen almost impossible to read outdoors. I must reiterate that I have no problem reading the screen on my newer firmware phone in the sunshine. (The recently passed good weather has proved this many times.) Also, menus are slower and tend to flicker a little. The shortcut buttons for the camera don't work either (press 1 to change image size, 2 for night mode, etc). If you want to check the firmware version for definite, then do this to go into service mode:
on standby screen:
joystick right
press *
joystick left
joystick left
press *
joystick left
press *
go to service info, SW information.
My firmware is R1L013. I'm not sure what the older phones are.

Yeah the battery life doesn't seem great, I suppose that would be on account of the screen. And its a hassle not being able to rely on finding a compatible charger in every household in the country (nokias are everywhere), so I'd say I'll have to get a car charger.

myt610.com is pretty good, also I'd say check out www.t610archive.com it seems to have lots of stuff.

Here's something interesting I found: to possible save a few cents on GPRS, go to Connectivity -> Data Comm. -> Data Accounts -> O2 GPRS (or your vodafone account) -> Edit -> Advanced Settings - > Data Compression and see if its On or Off. My default O2 setting was Off, unsurprisingly, and I suspect that compression turned on will mean smaller chuinks of data being sent and received (maybe 10%, maybe more?), which is nice. If anyone has any more info on this let me know. ie does compression really make a difference, etc.

Mr E

Thats a very well hidden menu!

My firmware is R1A081.

How do I upgrade to the latest?

- Dave.

wheresmybeaver

If you want to upgrade the firmware yourself, then as far as know you can get the firmware files and the uploading/flashing software from the net, but you can't flas the new firmware with bluetooth, infrared or the USB cable. You need one of the old serial cables. One I've seen mentioned is the old T28 data cable.

Of course, you could go to www.myt610.com, they have a flashing service there. I don't like the idea of sending off my phone, though. I'd say wait till the next firmware comes out, it might tackle some of the complaints people have (non repeating events in calendar, etc) and then it'd definitely be worth going to the trouble of upgrading the firmware.

Tony_ire

I have R1A081 .
Will I be able to upgrade to the latest firmware when O2 bring the phone out over here? Does the Carphone Warehouse (ire) or the O2 shops do this?

flywheel

i've always used fonefix.ie (sigma telecom) for ericsson and sony ericsson upgrades

their support for different handsets depends on operator support and length of time the (uk version) of the handset is available

one important thing to watch out (particularly as Voda look like they will launch it soon) is when you have you SIM free (not network locked/branded) handset flashed at a service centre that they don't apply the Vodafone version of the system to your handset (as happend to a few, very miffed people on the esato boards)

at CeBIT SE they mentioned plans to have service centres available at some of the Irish carphone warehouse stores (but that hasn't happened here yet, afaik - any cpw people to comment?)

hth,
BrianG

LFCFan

Originally posted by wheresmybeaver
If you want to check the firmware version for definite, then do this to go into service mode:
on standby screen:
joystick right
press *
joystick left
joystick left
press *
joystick left
press *
go to service info, SW information.
My firmware is R1L013. I'm not sure what the older phones are.

My Firmware is R3C002. Anyone know what the latest Firmware version is?

Also, are you able to use AIM on the phone? I was looking at the text labels in the service menu and there's load of AIM related Text Labels in there but I haven't seen anything about AIM on the phone?????

eth0_

Originally posted by LFCFan

Also, are you able to use AIM on the phone? I was looking at the text labels in the service menu and there's load of AIM related Text Labels in there but I haven't seen anything about AIM on the phone?????

Yeah you can but it's network dependent by the looks of things.
http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/227694-1.html

sharkman

My Firmware is R3C002. Anyone know what the latest Firmware version is?

Had my T610 updated by Fonefix as mentioned by Brian and its the same version as yours .

This was done 2 weeks ago , so you are fairly up to date .:D

Faltermyer

Where did you guys buy your T610's?

Ive found them on Ebay.co.uk , with some Buy-It-Now prices of £170-200stg +shipping.

But im a little reluctant to buy something over €100 off ebay unless they will do it COD.

Oh, and does the T610 have a built in Speakerphone??

Thanks.

eth0_

Originally posted by Faltermyer
Where did you guys buy your T610's?

Ive found them on Ebay.co.uk , with some Buy-It-Now prices of £170-200stg +shipping.

Nowt wrong with buying goods >£100 on ebay, just use paypal to pay and make sure they've good feedback.

I got my t610 on contract on o2 uk, I live in Belfast you see.

Stephen

Got my T610 from ebay as well, its an unlocked Orange pre-pay one. I've managed to eradicate most of the Orange-branded stuff from it (including the logo below the keypad! - fingernails do the trick nicely), but I think to get rid of the rest of it (couple of menu items that bring you to orange's wap site, a few stupid preset pictures, etc) I think I would have to find somewhere to flash my handset with a sim-free version of the firmware.

Faltermyer

Does anyone know anything about Unlocking the T610?

There are better deals available for locked T610's.

Gotten a few replies. None will do COD, but will take PayPal and have reasonably good feedback. One wanted £16stg shipping but that item has ended.. Pity, would have worked out at €285 all in...

Hunt continues...

Stephen

Mine worked out at 275 euros after all the currency conversion/paypal charges/postage etc, a few months back.

Faltermyer

Well, bids away... Just placed my bid on an Brand New(?), unlocked(from Orange) & unused(??) Sony-Ericsson T610.

Current bid £165 & I cant go much higher.... so fingers crossed...only 2hrs 45mins left!

Shipping will be £9. Seller doesnt mention an extra for using Paypal but im allowing for maybe 4% as thats what most seem to ask.

**EDIT** Got well outbid by some twat(A brand new member surprisingly....hmm....it would never be the seller trying to bump up the price could it??)

So Ive taken a Buy-It-Now option on an Orange locked T610 at £175stg +£4.50 shipping(seller had agreed in a mail to ship at that rate to here).

Ive been reading on those MyT610 forums and unlocking seems possible for less than ~$30 all in(for code Logs and the T28 cable)?? Or does anyone know anywhere reputable in Dublin that does it?

Tony_ire

Got my T610 from ebay as well, its an unlocked Orange pre-pay one. I've managed to eradicate most of the Orange-branded stuff from it (including the logo below the keypad! - fingernails do the trick nicely), but I think to get rid of the rest of it (couple of menu items that bring you to orange's wap site, a few stupid preset pictures, etc) I think I would have to find somewhere to flash my handset with a sim-free version of the firmware.

I got my Orange T610 in August and have been meaning to remove the orange logo since I got it. But it doesn't bother me that much so I haven't tried to get rid of it in case I just make it look worse.
I've heard suggetions of people using nail varnish remover, but it come off clean with just your figer nails?

MiCr0

i saw the t610 for sale in the car phone warehouse in galway yesterday - for only €169 on upgrade/first time connection...

its a steal, its unreal, its sale of the **cking century

Stephen

Vodafone contracts only though.

Faltermyer

Not with a 2 Year Contract by any chance is it?

Looking forward to mine arriving.

GUI

lads im looking to get a t610 new
for under 300
links?

Faltermyer

www.ebay.co.uk

Nowhere else you will get it for sub €300.

Expect to on average pay:
~ €250-280 for a locked, new one.
~ €270-€320 for a new Unlocked one.

Thats based on what ive seen over the past week anyway.

I ended up taking a Buy-It-Now option on a locked one. Its worked out at €272 shipped,tracked&insured.

Equipment(Data cable)&software(logs of some sort) to unlock/flash should be able to be got for ~$30. Im sourcing that this evening. Ill post up where I get it and price.

v10

My (reliable) sources inform me that the T610 will be available by the end of this week in both Vodafone prepay and postpay.

It will be a Vodafone Live Handset and will be approx €129 on contract and €249 on Ready to Go.

I will be getting one for sure.

Time already to get rid of my Sagem My-V65 I got last week !

Faltermyer

Originally posted by v10
It will be a Vodafone Live Handset and will be approx €129 on contract and €249 on Ready to Go.

Bugger but that sounds cheap!!

€249 on Ready To Throw is pittens for such a phone!

I was hoping it would be like €400, if only just to make me feel better cos ive just paid €272 for one off Ebay Uk and its gona cost me another €30 to get the equip/codes to get it unlocked.

GUI

i think i will get it on ready to go so

Faltermyer

In hindsight, that would have been what Id have done now(&then just gotten the Unlocking stuff), but, ive already PayPal'd my money.

It would have worked out €20 cheaper and Id KNOW the phone was definitely brand new.

How the hell are Vodafone going to sell it so cheap on Pre-Pay though? Its a cheap price for Post Pay for that matter too. I mean, if its going on Ebay UK for ~€250-320, prices there are usually about 25% less than Pre-pay prices here for most phones?

Also, compared to the Sagem MyX65 for only €50 less, this is a much higher class of phone no?

flywheel

although bear in mind how tweaked the T610 is going to be on Voda, compared to a direct SE unit...

BrianG

GUI

ya i might get it elsewhere
as i h8 all the vodafone live customisation crap

Faltermyer

Originally posted by DubWireless
although bear in mind how tweaked the T610 is going to be on Voda, compared to a direct SE unit...

Of course, but SE Center will put new firmware on it for you for free im told, which would clear all the Vodafone CRAP out of it would it not?

Or would it have to be flashed?

MiCr0

ordered one on vodafone.ie about 4hrs ago
total cost 104euro - including delivery and a new 64k sim

happy days

flywheel

Originally posted by Faltermyer
Of course, but SE Center will put new firmware on it for you for free im told, which would clear all the Vodafone CRAP out of it would it not?

Or would it have to be flashed?

i'd expect an SE authorised Service Centre wouldn't (shouldn't) - what with the deal between SE and Voda for the branded handset...

but a a lot of questions/answers about this on the likes of esato.com

including some poor people who had their SE direct T610s flashed with the Vodafone system - now that's bad luck!!

and you'd have to use your own method for removing the logos on the casing (disclaimer: at yoru own risk)

BrianG

MiCr0

i've got ways and means!

hudson806

Thinking about the T610, but the t630 looks like it might be a better phone all-round (improved screen and battery life). Does anybody know when it's due to launch?

(Sorry for hijacking the thread a bit with this )

Faltermyer

Originally posted by Faltermyer
Of course, but SE Center will put new firmware on it for you for free im told, which would clear all the Vodafone CRAP out of it would it not?

Or would it have to be flashed?

Just checked that and no, Upgrading the Firmware in an SE center would not remove Network Provider customisations.

I got my T610 this morning. Absolutely SWEET looking phone. Only slightly bulkier than my Nokia 8210 which is damn good considering all the features it packs in comparisson.

But its still locked to Orange. My Unlock kit should be here tomorrow I hope.

Then Im gona look into Flashing... but as mentioned... it can be risky so Ill see how much Orange have altered it and decide if its necessary or not. I dont think it will be as bad as a Vodafone tweaked phone though.

ADSLUSER

Does anyone know if the Vodafone branded T610 can still irDA ringtones and pictures or is this feature disabled like other Vodafone branded phones (e.g. sharp GX series?

Faltermyer

Unrelated a little but its stuff like that that makes me hate Vodafone as a company and their general Business ethic.

Just spoke to the company re my Unlock kit and it should be here tomorrow!!

Stephen

Orange don't to a whole lot of customisation to the T610 fortunately. When you turn it on first, it will have an Orange skin loaded, which makes the user interface look really crappy. You can change it back to the default easily. Not sure if you can delete the orange theme. There's also a bunch of images installed on it by orange and you cannot delete these. When browsing the "my sounds", "my pictures" and "my themes" folders in the phone, there will be a link to the Orange wap site to download more in each menu. The default wap page is also set to the orange homepage. They also removed some of the default games, ringtones and themes (i've no idea why) but they can be downloaded again for free from the sony ericsson website by wap/gprs.

The orange logo on the front is easy to remove with a standard human fingernail
Most things can be changed back to the SE defaults easily, but to remove those Orange images and fix the menus back to their standard states I think you'd have to find someone to flash the phone with "standard" SE firmware.

v10

Got mine today @ €50 !!! Great knowing people in the business.

Like it ... smaller than 7250i and so far in my opinion, it's a better phone... but time will tell...

Anyway to anwser some peoples questions :

Yes, it's littered in vodafone branding and has the usual Live! style menu, but all the features seem to be working including being able to send and recieve images from your pc via infrared (without any additional software, I may add)

The only thing I've noticed is that you can't change the function of the softkeys under the screen (left & right) ... they seen to be locked to Live! acccess and the left to the recent call activity. maybe I'll find a way ...

It's €129 with standard (no discount) upgrades.

Any more questions .... ask

flywheel

Originally posted by hudson806
Thinking about the T610, but the t630 looks like it might be a better phone all-round (improved screen and battery life). Does anybody know when it's due to launch?

T630 is due out Q1 2004, also check this thread for some details

hadn't heard any thing about battery life imporvements though...

BrianG

hudson806

hadn't heard any thing about battery life imporvements though...

BrianG [/B]

Thanks for the link. I guess I read about the battery life at http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/4207.html

"Sony Ericsson said the T630 will offer up to 13 days of standby time and up to 14 hours of time, all in a package measuring a minute 102 x 43 x 17 mm. "

That's the only (apparently) new feature that would convince me to wait for a 630, so can anyone tell me what kind of battery life they get from their t610s?

flywheel

that's pretty much the T630 press release, the T610 specs list its battery life as being the same (14h talk time and 315h standby)

with any manufacturer quoted battery life is a very rough guide (hence the 'Up to')... that's usually prod. marketing speak for 'less than'

getting a rough guide on how long it really lasts depends on what it is being used for - mine usually lasts a few days with a bit of email, calls and using it as a modem over the course of those days

BrianG

Faltermyer

Originally posted by Stephen
The orange logo on the front is easy to remove with a standard human fingernail

Well all I can say is you must have sharp fingernails!! Cos ive tried to remove it 4times already and gotten fed up!

Should have it unlocked in a few hours, got my cable,and awaiting Logs by email. No flashing just yet as Im a little wary of it. Wanna be sure I can trust the files Im given...and ill have to buy another cable!

Tony_ire

I have just removed the orange logo. You can do it with just your nails but it can take a while. Don't use anything too sharp (like a needle!!) or you might scratch the silver paint underneath, but I used a 20p coin and it came off very quick.

Faltermyer

Well, 2/3s of a day into use and I have to say I like it, it gets better as I get used to the massive differences in the User interface compared to my 8210 that Ive had nearly four years.

I am experiencing the hiss on calls so I can assume I have an older Firmware version so I shall be getting Sigma to update that for me next week.

Id also really like to get it flashed as there is no basic WAP menu, just two Orange menu's. So I have to go through and Orange page(I think its permanently cached) before going onto other sites.

Camera is reasonably impressive especially given the size of the phone. The "Night Mode" is pretty decent for a camera in a phone too. And Im told the Newer Firmware gives some extra editing functions for photos as well as better camera control.

Stephen

You can change the default wap page (activated by using the button on the right hand side of the phone) to whatever you like. I use google.

Faltermyer

Oh , that button!! First time ive used it! Cool! I had already set my own Homepage, but didnt realise there was a direct way to it... probably would hav discovered that tomorrow!

Thanks for the tip.

Im in the middle of an MMS/WAP/GRPS buzz cos my last phone had no conectivity features at all, not even wap. So to change to a complete media phone and such a good one is great. I feel like a kid on christmas day with a new gadget!!

Stephen

Another handy tip I learned from reading esato.com boards is this:

If you just want to see the clock without having to go unlocking the keypad or whatever, just press one of the volume buttons on the left side of the phone and it will illuminate the clock for a few seconds.