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Lawsuit!!!
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13-04-1999 1:36am#1
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I have to agree that the idea of suing the producers of games is ridiculous.
This is the Kid that opened fire on his class-mates isn't it? If not, well ignore the rest.
1. If the games do glorify and desensitise violence then the parents should keep their children away from them. Didn't quake have an age rating?
2. If the parents of this kid can sue the games company, then the Parents of the children who were hurt or suffered emotional trauma (crap term but seeing something like that HAS to have an effect on a kids mind) should be able to sue the parents of the psycho kid for mishandling their son's education and adaptation to life.
3. Did the kid not learn how to play? How to seperate games from reality?
4. Might seem like tasteless humour but, if the kid was so impressed by Quake, how come he didn't run into the 'enemy' guns blazing and trying to pick up their backpacks?? If , as they say, the games caused his violence then surely his violence would have been in the same style as his primary influence.
5. The American legal system is so caught up in 'protecting the rights of the individual' that sometimes (a lot of the time!) it turns into a joke where the ones responsible can easily shift the blame to someone else.
I play Quake, I have played Doom, Duke Nukem, Tekken, Mortal Combat. I'm not violent! I've played Dune2, Command & conquer, Total Annihalation, Starcraft. I'm not of the mind that I am some sort of general. I've watched films like Terminator, Predator, Vietnam films, Schindler's list. I'm not about to go nuts with a gun or go on an ethnic cleansing spree. If I do ever fight, think a violent thought or go ballistic , do I get to sue all of the producers of the above for causing irrepairable damage to my psyche?
To sum up my argument (and if you've read this far, you needn't have bothered because it has a summary
) Balls!
J.
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Won't make it to court, unless some big-ass lawyer sees bucks to be made on publicity, which is always a possibility.
In the last decade, I've been party to the torturing, maiming and killing of thousands - nay, millions - of onscreen representations of characters. Never once in that time have I felt the urge to go out and commit these acts in real life.
Also, the idea that Quake teaches you how to use a real weapon is very amusing. Speaking as someone who has used everything from pellet guns, to laser tag systems, to paintballs, to actual pistols and assault weaponry on firing ranges... There is no comparison! Argh! Where's my crosshair! Why can't I rocket jump!
Mata ne!
Rob
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Notice some of the facts here:
Quake, Doom, Mortal Kombat all over 15s
Basketball Diaries Over 18s
Porn sites Usually over 21s (so I've heard
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All of the age limitations are clearly advertised, and the kid was 14. So it is was the parent's responsibility. They should have been aware of the films he was watching, the games he was playing, etc, as they are there for a reason....to prevent lawsuits such as these, though being in america, the case has a pretty good chance of winning.
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Riker.
Yes, 'All Americans are stupid' is a generalisation (and a wrong one). Not all Americans are stupid BUT there IS a greater proportion of stupid people in America. There are so many people there that something that would happen here maybe once in ten years should, in all probability, happen there once a month. Unfortunately it seems to happen there more often than that.
America has always been a huge proponent of 'Freedom of Choice' and , as has often happened with an ideal, it has been taken beyond what we would term the limits of normality.
Another generalisation that I once believed was, 'All American girls are beautiful, slim and spoilt rotten'. WRONG! From personal experience, there is a huge proportion of girls and women (and men) who are well into the 'obese' category, and while the spoilt people I met definitely were spoiled rotten and this compounded with a severe superiority complex topped off with a helping of misplaced self-confidence, I did meet quite a few 'decent' peeps.
In short, no generalisation can ever be completely proven or disproven. You really shouldn't take offense (haven't you ever heard 'All men are *******s!'? or 'All women are *****es'? or All Irish are Catholic? or even All gameplayers are weird? and All Computer Programmers are Nerds?).
J.
PS. I know lots of stupid people (some who could be described as the world's elite cadre of living brain donors) who drive incredible cars (perhaps some of that 'American Capitalist Pig' attitude has rubbed off on you , Da?' )
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Riker my man - appologies. No offence intended. I assume yer Dad's had a dose of normality seeing as he's here in Ireland
Nice car btw
All the best,
Dav
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Hey thanks Kharn I just had a bad day, didn't
mean to have a go at ya!
Lolth, 1/3 of Americans are obese, that's a
fact not a generalisation and remember, that
ain't fat, that's like a few stone overweight!
And from my experience a higher proportion of
American girls are bet-down than Irish girls. It actually seems that the ugly tree grows in Chicago
-Riker
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I can't remember what the court case was, it was on wired.com about Sony losing to some company that was creating an emulator. I think for the PC not the mac. Try the Emulator discussion board
Btw, I wouldn't say Americans are stupid. They just have a completly different view of the world (ie. Two countries. America and the rest of the world). I've had people if I knew such and such in Denmark because that's in Europe (surprised they even got that) or others just saying basically what you would class as stupid things ("How did you manage to get to work with all the snipers in Dublin"). And these are people who are experts in thier field.
Mind you, most Asians think Europeans are lazy, and Europeans have thier own sterotypes of other countries which are way off whack. And Americans think European means your French.
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The Serbia-Kosovo-Croat thingy is a very complicated affair but, and I hope this doesn't offend anyone it IS just one opinion, I reckon one of the biggest factors in this current conflict (and the ones before it) is Religion. When the Croat/Bosnia/Serb war really got into full swing, a lot of **** had already happened - stuff we didn't really hear about. Neighbours killed each other because they were of different faiths. One Shopkeeper in Albania went so far as to poison a load of bread while openly claiming neutrality, the bread he sold to the Muslims.
Religion has acted as a springboard and excuse for a lot of the evil that men do (My biggy in this field are the Crusades and the convert-and-die mentality of the crusaders). It is religion that teaches that God is good and things that do not follow the same God are closer to evil. The sad thing about the Serbs (and I guess this is the point of this post) is, they do not see themselves as evil. Of course there are some there who rape, burn and kill for fun but most who partake in this type of activity are doing what the interpret as 'God's work'. It might seem sick to us but it is too easy to denounce them offhand as 'Evil'. I would also like to point out that in the last war in Serbia, atrocities were carried out by BOTH sides. Tit for tat, but still sick. You kill an unborn child here, I'll pin a newborn to a tree there. You did it first but does that make it right for me to do it? We only really heard about the Serbian side.
By the way Blade. Forget the 'went to school and drank with', there are plenty of incidents where wives killed husbands in their sleep, husbands butchered their OWN family! A few years ago, inter religous marriages were not that rare. Zealotism and fanatacism has always bubbled away quietly in the Balkan states (a generalisation: They are a very beligerant people - I know this to be true in some cases and false in others,but by and large they have one viscious and hot temper). It is relatively recently that the 'mens clubs' and 'weekly meetings' have started to actively spread a message of discord. The weird thing is, if Milosovic was on the other side, he would be a great hero!
My personal opinion. It's sick. All of it. It is easy for me to blame religion though I know that there is a lot more to it than that but I still can't help feeling that the world would be a happier (and quieter) place if we were all one religion, or Atheist, or Hunanist!
This is Charlie Bird
for RTE
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Lads - you esp. DeV - ye've freaked me out! I just had a look ad Ariane 5 in the lecture I was reading this in - Co-incidence? I think not
Anyway - details on that (not that they're relevant, but I wanna post it anyway
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Date: June 4 1996
Name: Ariane 5
Cost: $67 billion
Duration: 37 seconds
Fault: Software Error
Reason: The programmers re-used code from Ariane 4 and this was to proove fatal. The craic is, they were overloading Ada (the programming language they used) to convert a 64-bit floating point number into a 16-bit Integer and didn't take precautions to error check cause the "knew" it would never be overloaded. The nature of Ada meant that it shut down the system rather than carry on regardless (as say C would have) and so to quote the wise words of the guy who wrote this article:
I love it!From this point on, Ariane 5 assumed the aerodynamic properties of an overhead projector and shortly afterwards turned itself into twelve square kilometers of debris
All the best,
Dav
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