RVN looking human

The Muppet

I,d put them in if i were you , dont forget the bonus points for a hatrick:D

Guy:Incognito

Originally posted by kmart6
How can u judgehim on last nit yhere wasnt any quaility ball getting to him until Giggs and Scholes came on

I no its a huge case of simplifying things but surely the marque of a truely greta player is one who can be great even in a bad team, a la Roy Keane in his last season with forest ( as far as i remember they went down) but he was an inspiration. Forgive me if this was covered or something sed to the contrary but the thread was 3 pages long wen i started reading it so im replying as i go along

Guy:Incognito

Originally posted by Serbian
Here are a few statistics with which you can wow you friends and colleagues alike:

Ruud's penalty record since joining United:

Taken/Scored
Season: 2001/2002     4/4
        2002/2003     8/8
        2003/2004     1/0
Total:               13/12

So there you have it - 12 goals have been penalties for Ruud. To put that in perspective, in the same time frame, Shearer took 11 penalties and scored 8 , Thierry Henry took 9, scored 8 and Michael Owen took 5 and scored 3.

Also, in that time, Ruud has scored exactly 50 league goals, meaning 24% of all his league goals for United have been penalties. Shearer has scored 43 league goals in the same space of time, penalties account for 18.6% of that. 7.9% of Owens 38 goals were penalties.

[Edit: Forgot all about Henry!] This one is interesting, and will be a very valuable statistic for all you Arsenal fans with friends who are United supporters: In the same time frame, Henry scored 51 goals for Arsenal, 1 more than Van the Man, and only 15.7% of them were penalties. However, you do have to remember that Henry takes free kicks too. Still, it might just earn him the title of the most complete striker in the premiership.

well check out Statto, do u have an over coat and glasses by any chance?

Guy:Incognito

Originally posted by colster
Excuse me but I did not miss the point he was making. I made 2 points one concerning RVNs record in Europe and the other to challenge some of the stats concerning the Premier League.
I don't think you can discard his penalties very lightly as how many goals from open play would he have scored had he not been fouled and give the penalty.

If he were an above average striker how can you explain away his unbelievable record in the CL for Man U 22 in 22.
Thats exceptional and you can't tell me that the CL is easier than the PL.

Time for a bit of stirring from me. What about the fairly simple first group stage utd get each season giving them a good few more goals, The premiership is a truer reflection because all rvn's and th goals were scored in games played against the same teams, obviously if utd r playeing the likes os shaktar donetsk r whatever and arsenal r playing valencia ( i think they played the one of the seasons they got to the final) then utd r more likely to score. <- puts spoon away->

Guy:Incognito

Originally posted by The Muppet
Posted By Sykeirl


Touchy! Whos Arguing?:)

Everyone knows that stats can be made to suit any point. If you want to argue about RVN Goals fine but include them all and not discount a chunk of them to suit your stupid agenda.
The stat true soccer fans are most intested in are the ones in may that determine who the champions are and 8 out of the last 11 years that has been Utd. would you like to argue against that.

The true stat should be European medals, and in specific the CL/EC r whatever other name it has been called over the years and the plain and simple fact is tha utd r as successfull in the top european competition as Notingham forest. Only 2 more to go to catch liverpool, but thats not likely to happen anytime soon

Guy:Incognito

CAUTION POINTLESS LIST ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!


Year Home Away


2003 Juventus 0-0 Milan
(2-3 pens)
2002 Leverkusen 1-2 Madrid
2001 Bayern
(5-4 pens) 1-1 Valencia
2000 Madrid 3-0 Valencia
1999 Man. United 2-1 Bayern
1998 Juventus 0-1 Madrid
1997 Dortmund 3-1 Juventus
1996 Ajax 1-1 Juventus
(2-4 pens)
1995 Ajax 1-0 Milan
1994 Milan 4-0 Barcelona
1993 Marseille 1-0 Milan
1992 Sampdoria 0-1 Barcelona
1991 Crvena Zvezda
(5-3 pens) 0-0 Marseille
1990 Milan 1-0 Benfica
1989 Steaua 0-4 Milan
1988 PSV
(6-5 pens) 0-0 Benfica
1987 Bayern 1-2 Porto
1986 Steaua
(2-0 pens) 0-0 Barcelona
1985 Juventus 1-0 Liverpool
1984 Roma 1-1 Liverpool
(2-4 pens)
1983 Hamburg 1-0 Juventus
1982 Villa 1-0 Bayern
1981 Liverpool 1-0 Madrid
1980 Notts Forest 1-0 Hamburg
1979 Notts Forest 1-0 Malmö
1978 Liverpool 1-0 Club Brugge
1977 Liverpool 3-1 Mönchengladbach
1976 Bayern 1-0 St Etienne
1975 Bayern 2-0 Leeds
1974 Bayern (4-0) 1-1 Atlético
1973 Ajax 1-0 Juventus
1972 Ajax 2-0 Internazionale
1971 Ajax 2-0 Panathinaikos
1970 Feyenoord 2-1 Celtic
1969 Milan 4-1 Ajax
1968 Man. United 4-1 Benfica
1967 Celtic 2-1 Internazionale
1966 Madrid 2-1 Partizan
1965 Internazionale 1-0 Benfica
1964 Internazionale 3-1 Madrid
1963 Milan 2-1 Benfica
1962 Benfica 5-3 Madrid
1961 Benfica 3-2 Barcelona
1960 Madrid 7-3 Eintracht
1959 Madrid 2-0 Reims
1958 Madrid 3-2 Milan
1957 Madrid 2-0 Fiorentina
1956 Madrid 4-3 Reims