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Quake3, Biitches. (A Devore-length post, and no, I'm not ****ed)

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  • 03-05-1999 6:21pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭


    Any of you who have been around as long as myself in Quake, which is a disturbingly long time, will remember when quake first came out, and the way irish quake was shaped from then til now.

    Us UL ppl, completely ignorant of the then-savagely powerful connection we were sitting on, danced around the lan killing muppets, thinking we were great, while on the famous quake.iol.ie:26001, all irish quake players ran around killing muppets in a neverending ffa, where a clan name meant jacksh!t, apart from a few fancy colours.
    Eventually, thanks to a bit of work from different people, we all started meeting, more on the indigo ctf server than anywhere else, and those of us that were able to win all the time (me, krusty, g.o.w., tomb, cloud, scaryspice), thought we were sh!thot, more clans formed and things were looking up, especially with the events like quakefest and quakelords.
    But in reality, we were always muppets, people were using the mouse and quakeworld when we were only realizing that we could type 'name Zero' in the console instead of going to multiplayer-->setup-->name.
    The world was using proxies for ages and ages, it took the accidental meeting of us with 4k_Ser before we knew sh!t about proxies. They had a clan league with multiple divisions in the UK and huge tournaments in the US, when we were still clan-hopping and declaring our brilliance on the IOL mailing list and a whole two clan wars being played every three months.
    The sad truth of it all, is that in the whole country, the Irish Quakers can only put out maybe TWO decent teams that could take on a division 1 UK clan, even after all this time, remember quake 1.01 is here since october-november 1996. There are only maybe ten people in the country who can properly execute teamplay throughout a clan war without stopping halfway through and saying ' emm....what the FUKK do i do now? '
    Quake2 had a better startoff, because they were mostly born from the Q1 scene, and those that werent, knew from the q1 scene that the UK was the place to learn as they were so far ahead, so the few good q2eers clans we have here actually do well across the water, but they are by no means exceptional.

    Us lads down here in UL, in one of our many Quake conversations, are always saying, 'jezus, imagine if we knew two years ago what we know now, if we started playing Quake in the beginning with the mouse, FOV, mipcap, hacked models, decent teamplay, everything, just IMAGINE how good we would have been, nobody in UK could have touched us', and its true, the thing is, us paddies are always second best because anything new we learn, we learn from others, nothing is found out to better our game that isnt from a popular webpage or from the opposition, who dont tell us til they ram a quad rocket up our ar$es.

    What I'm saying, boys and girls, is that as regards both national and international gaming, the new way to go is QUAKE3, which is on the horizon. I have played it in Linux, there some good and some bad aspects to it, but as a Q1eer I prefer it to Q2. The game is new, quake veterans obviously have a better kickstart in it than newbies, but what I'm saying is that, as regards Q3, around the world, we are ALL EQUAL, the names Sujoy, QPD, Beast, CW, XC, EA, Hakeem, Xenon, they all mean NOTHING now, to reach the top in Q3 is a hard fast race, but we are all on the starting line at the same point, of course naturals by the name of Xenon and Thresh, and on a lower scale, Timber etc., of course they have a headstart, but not so much of a headstart that you can't lean forward and grab the b@stards by the back of their shorts and pass them out. It's not that hard, there are some very smart ppl that we have here in the Irish Quakers, in both Q1 and Q2, just that nobody ever bothers to get ahead of international opposition because by the time we have an interest, we are miles behind.

    What I am proposing, is that from the word GO, we take Quake3 apart, we gain every advantage by learning the physics, knowing every trick and bug, we have our team tactics for every level embedded in our brains before the first Quake3 tournie is even considered. As soon as Q3 comes out, we should go to town on it, for once make the Irish Team be a team to be reckoned with.
    What u think? And yes I am bored off my tree, thus the Devore-type message smile.gif


    [This message has been edited by Zero (edited 03-05-99).]


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,339 ✭✭✭✭LoLth


    Wow! You SURE you're not ****ed?

    Actually, he has a point. I would be willing to bet money (real money!!) that right this minute someone without a social life is going over each minute detail of the test version, having a peek at the code (if he can get to it), walking around the test level trying jumps from every centimetre of ledge-space, jumping onto sticky out bits and firing a few tester shots just to get the 'feel' of the game. When the full version comes out that person will already have a head-start on the rest as far as finding little quirks and glitches goes (wasn't Rocket jumping an accidental discovery?).

    As to Q3 making everything level.. I'm not so sure about this. Skill is skill, it may be lessened by the translation but once the player gets used to the new feel the skill will surface again. Definitely, practisig now will help (maybe it will take longer for skillful players to pass you out).

    ramble,ramble....

    J.

    This post contains nothing of nutritional value.

    *****99% point Free********


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭SickBoy


    Zero is right. We need to be there from the start and we will have a good chance of beating other national teams. I will defo be playing Q3 as No.1 and Quake for old times sake. But you have to remember that a lot of the quake ppl have very basic systems i.e. P166mmx with crappy graphics card. These ppl more than likely would love to jump over to Q3 but its impossible for them. I'm sure there are some Irish Quake legends on these type of systems and they wont get the "Head start" that were talking about. One thing is for certin though, for a Q1 player there will be no looking for a rock in the stream, it will be a straight jump to the other side (Q3)

    SB...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭harVey


    sickboy is dead right.
    the real reason that say US and scandinavian players are way better and have a better head start over us is the IT infastructure in those places, not the dumb follow the leader paddy mentality
    I had a 386 with a 2400 bps modem (and most ppl didn't have a modem at all) when quake came out, and now have a pII with a 56k, and the college pcs are the same (connection better though with no graphics card)
    this compares with T1 and hardcore cable sh!t in the states. so by the time i am ready to play q3 properly, a hell of a lot of west coast gamers have the jump.

    all the same, good point zero and i do not think the gap is as big now as it was three years ago (technology that is, not skill).

    harVey


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 344 ✭✭shank


    Point well made Zero, I would really like to see everyone give q3 a proper go, I know 99% of q2 lads will prolly switch anyway. But if most of the q1 lads take it up aswell we'll have a chance to get some proper leagues going and not a situation where u play the same 2/3 clans all the time and learn nothing. Regarding player skill, I don't know about the Q1 standard atm but 50% of Q2 players in Ireland have no problems shoeing UK/Euro players up n' down the maps.

    shank1@usa.net
    q2n.quake.ie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭KinDreD


    we could always kill all the brits and yanks and them sweedes then we'd be the best
    O_o


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  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭juNkie


    Fukin A!!! WAN ZERO!!!! Everythin u said makes sense and everythin u said is nothin i haven't thought of before.

    Listen to this lad ppl, he knows daa sheeit.

    juNk laa


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Ronin


    sep q3 runs on a p150 under linux, cause we had a german guy on the server the other night, so we can have a hpb lpb war all over again smile.gif. hehe.

    /me hopes they have voodoo's in the puters next year in college :-)

    I`ll be playin q3 and quake after me exams in 19 days smile.gif..and ut if I can get a copy..

    Ro.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Ahem...

    Well if my name is going to be bandied about I think I aught to have my say smile.gif

    Zero's dead right and its something that we discussed when I was down there recently.
    Quake needs a kick in the *****here.
    In the us they could handle the split between q1 and q2, here both sides lost critical mass.

    We have a chance to learn about q3 from the start. We can scour the net for tactics and report back here, as well as create our own.

    As for the machines to run it... well I dunno. Its a problem none of us can fix.
    We just have to hope that the proliferation of high spec machines means the price of p350s drops. Its not that expensive to do and upgrade these days.

    In all seriousness we have seen players like Regi, Koopa, Beast and Bunny have a go at Q2 and be seriously ninja at it. We have a lot of good q2 players who could make the jump too. There are serious discussions about a trip to Australia for the national q3 team in the offing, though obviously sponsorship will be a problem.

    If q3 doesnt suck we will have a community again the way it was a year ago I feel.
    Q3 could be the best thing to happen to irish quake for a long long time.

    DeV.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 852 ✭✭✭m1ke


    TESTIFY

    yeh, all this stuff here is dead right. I think what ID are trying to do with q3 is make it a cross betwen q1 and 2, and they are making it appeal to as many people as possible. It would be great to see a little unity, see the servers more packed, have an iq3cl with 20 clans in it and instead of 2 small communities of q1 and q2 players have one big community of love. Sounds communist , almost.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ButcherOfNog


    can't wait for IQ3CL smile.gif

    once we get a version with TP lets fire it up. no waitin, no egos no nuthin just everyone slap their clans in there. you get good at TP by playing wars, as many as possible.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan



    un confirmed reports mention ath DF have already got hold of a copy of q3 from john C and have tactics worked to a fine art on all 32 levels
    happily enough i can tell you that q3 does indeed kick the llamas ass and we shall be in this ol iq3cl whenever it starts off

    (is that ok max, RW?)

    white(eagerbeaver)wash


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Jaden


    Wan the Zero!

    For Once ure making sense (ugh). Get some sodding servers up when the test comes out, and we have a real chance of kicking ass internationally.

    Hail To The King, Baby.


  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Ronin


    Poor Jaden the test is out wink.gif..

    just not the winblows one wink.gif..

    my guess is it`ll not be out for at least a week or so, cause they had serious probs with macs, nothing wrong with my linux though, worked perfect from the work go smile.gif...

    Ro(about to sit an exam)nin or is the s h i t an exam? smile.gif...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 Daa


    Zero, it's what I was planning to do when I see Q3 on the shelves for the first time. I want to be ahead from the start...it's what we all should be planning to do, we have the chance now because we are all very experienced with Q1. WAN THE BOYZ!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 273 ✭✭Scarab


    Shouldnt you be in school right now?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Kegser


    I'd just like to tell you all that....

    Kegser.

    Oh hold on wasn't I supposed to say something? Oh yes. GO FORTH AND CONQUER, MY CHILDREN. Did I mention with Q3? I don't think I did. Oh dear.


  • Legal Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 5,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭Maximilian


    Any word on when the damn thing is out on Windows.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 141 ✭✭Riker


    I think all you Irish chaps have a good chance of beating everyone in Europe but as far as the US goes - forget it. They have free local calls and free ISDN/Cable not to mention too much time on their hands. I think yis should stick to Europe for Q3, there's no way you can beat the yanks. They have hundreds of people who play Quake full-time, how many people in Ireland play Quake for a living? Not many methinks but as far as Europe goes we should have 'em all by the balls.

    Monty if you're reading this, TAKE IT!!! and tell your sister to TAKE IT!!! also smile.gif

    -Zenif


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭Dupre


    If we get tired of playing Q3, we can just print some hi-res screenshots out and sell them as art on Dun Laoghaire pier or around Stephens Green.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ButcherOfNog


    the standard of quake in europe is higher than in the states. clan9 v death row anyone? soz riker but yer well wrong.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 141 ✭✭Riker


    Well then we'll have to agree to disagree smile.gif

    -Zenif


  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Mickah


    If you want the standard to be raised in Q3 compared to Q1 or Q2, you need proper clans.
    I don't know about you Q2 ppl but quake 1 clan scene is up it's arse, we have but 3 serious fully irish clans, INC, SCOBE and CW. With CW being far the better with 3 team.ie members on their side.
    Fuuck the present clans, reorganise and have a good few decent clans who can play eachother non-stop week in week out. The only way you learn teamplay is by playing wars.

    Mickah


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Hecate


    the situations basically the same in the q2 scene im afraid Mickah...3-4 clans dominate the entire thing, and any players that arent in those clans really arent worth talking about. The best ones are snapped up almost immediately. Also we have a serious lack of newbies...in the past few months i havent noticed ANY new q2 players knocking about the servers on a regular basis.

    ADVICE:Big Brother is watching you,
    learn to make yourself invisible.

    robertgallagher@tinet.ie

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Zero


    yeah I agree Mickah. Hopefully with Q3, the players will be from both Q1 and Q2.
    Any Q1ers or Q2eers who don't like it at first should try and stick with it, it could be the new craze, i mean, in fairness, Quake is dead.
    And ure right about the clans two, they should all start from scratch. I'm deffo gonna be a q3eer, Mick, you and me sort a clan when q3 gets goin?


  • Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Mickah


    Z,
    yeah kewl, but the problem is that people want to be in a good clan, and will try to get in with the best. I reckon either we're all gonna have to be mature about it and make sure that the talented players are distributed evenly amongst clans - which i can't see happening. Or we're gonna have ta put some, control on it like this Clan Survival thing eric has goin.

    Mickah


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Zero


    yeah well there are plenty of good players, if we b cool about it, and form clans with only about 5 players in it, we should easily get plenty of decent clans, we don't know totally who'll be class and who won't at the game, but it will be fun to see players who played alongside each other for the last two years fighting it out on a server on different teams.


  • Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭Slosh


    Just as long as Q3 has a quick CA type pickup game for a non pro muppet like Moi!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Vorosha


    For the very first time I understand how you Q1 guys feel when it comes to Q2.

    I feel sorta cheated now that Q3 is coming out. I've worked hard to learn the Q2 levels and develop a feel for it... get to know players... learn to love the weapons...

    So now that Q3 is coming out I really feel attached to Q2 and will find it very hard to leave it behind.



    [This message has been edited by DeVore (edited 05-05-99).]


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan



    um vor,
    just take the pills and go back under the rock. good boy.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Vorosha


    Nope, I won't take the pills. I won't take them for YOU, I won't take them for anybody.

    As for the rock - I won't be going under it. I won't be going under it for YOU, WhiteWashMan, I won't be going under it... for ANYBODY.


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