Skangers

loismustdie

Originally posted by xx
Thats right, and this is why most of them refer to other people as 'Muppas', 'quayors' and my fave, 'bleedin' faggets'.
To paraphrase a line out of Full Metal Jacket - "All fcuking Skangers must fcuking die"!!!!!
How do you like THEM apples?

THEM apples = skanger lingo surely, wouldn't your type of people be better to say THOSE apples?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

so everyone who smokes dope is a skanger?

or is it just scooter fans?

Raz

*** on a daily basis I probably have more trouble with the 'normal' folk of the world than I do with the skangers. I've had run ins with skangers but nothin worth getting into a tizzy about.
What does rive me up the walls are the everday folk who walk down the street and won't move out of the way forcing you out onto the road to get by or being jammed in by the wall either.
It's the people who stand at the bus/train stops havin a fag and when they blow their smoke the wind sweeps it across everyone at the stop. Would it be too hard to move to the other side of the people?
It's the people who don't wait for others to get off the train before they start tryin to push on.

I have far more trouble with people who don't care how they put other people out. Some skangers might fall into that category but some do a hell of a lot of everyday people.

super_furry

so everyone who smokes dope is a skanger?

or is it just scooter fans?

I believe I've adressed this point before, but no not everyone who smokes dope is a scanger nor is everyone who listen's to Scooter a scanger. They are, however, popular past-times among a majority of that group as is harassing people, stealing cars and starting fights.

lodgepole

For the purpose of this post...
"Skanger" refers to a person dressed in the manner described...
"Scumbag" is a person who behaves in the manner described, regardless of dress.


First of all... This is discrimination, not racism. That isn't up for discussion, it's fact.

Second of all... Scumbag behaviour isn't unique to "skangers". If you look for it you can find it in all walks of life. The problem is frequency. Like others here, i've known plenty of perfectly sound, nice people who wear 90 degree hats, tight trousers and ridiculous looking jumpers. But i've seen more people dressed like that causing trouble and being generally aggressive, than other people easily grouped because of their clothing.

Mainly based in the Dublin city centre but also stemming out to events like Witnness, Slane and other concerts.

I have seen groups of people who could probably be fitted into the "skanger" category roaming streets with rudimentary weapons with the intent to use them. I've never seen that behaviour from any other group.

It comes down to something somebody else said about not all "skangers" being scumbags, but that most scumbags are "skangers".

loismustdie

are you all just ignorant or plain stupid.
1 question: do you agree that people have the right to dress and act whatever way they like without discrimination as long as it's not harming anyone else?
if you answer no i'm goin to let you believe what you want becasue i don't really care if your head's that far up your arse
but it you're answering yes and your argument is that these skangers do harm other people then i completely see your point. but what i'm sayin is that 2 wrong's don't make a right and it's not fair to stereotype. take out any anger on those who offend against you but deliver you from evil etc
can i simplify it for you any further???

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

so is breathing, pissing and drinking milk

milk is clearly a factor here

loismustdie

Originally posted by Lodgepole
For the purpose of this post...
"Skanger" refers to a person dressed in the manner described...
"Scumbag" is a person who behaves in the manner described, regardless of dress.


First of all... This is discrimination, not racism. That isn't up for discussion, it's fact.

Second of all... Scumbag behaviour isn't unique to "skangers". If you look for it you can find it in all walks of life. The problem is frequency.

i go with that

loismustdie

Originally posted by Mordeth
so is breathing, pissing and drinking milk

milk is clearly a factor here

u are a strange strange man

Absolam

Originally posted by loismustdie
are you all just ignorant or plain stupid.
1 question: do you agree that people have the right to dress and act whatever way they like without discrimination as long as it's not harming anyone else?
if you answer no i'm goin to let you believe what you want becasue i don't really care if your head's that far up your arse
but it you're answering yes and your argument is that these skangers do harm other people then i completely see your point. but what i'm sayin is that 2 wrong's don't make a right and it's not fair to stereotype. take out any anger on those who offend against you but deliver you from evil etc
can i simplify it for you any further???

Yes; dress how you please but accept that as a consequence people will judge you on how you dress; that's just life. If you look like trouble then people will treat you like trouble.

lodgepole

I'm not sure that it's stereotyping.

Someone made an example earlier of trenchcoats and the Columbine killings and the response was that we've never experienced that.

If the majority of my experience with people dressed in the manner described is negative, then of course i'm going to be more wary of approaching them, conversing with them etc. It doesn't mean I won't, but it does mean i'll be more careful. The chances are that an identical barrier exists for them, and they would have problems approaching certain groups.

I agree it's unfair, but that's the way it is.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Originally posted by loismustdie
u are a strange strange man

erm

" They are, however, popular past-times among a majority of that group as is harassing people, stealing cars and starting fights."

i was replying to that

super_furry

Yes, people have the right to dress whatever way they like. However, they do not have the right to act whatever way they like especially if they way they are acting adversly affects other people. If I'm wrong to discriminate against scangers, then so be it, I'm not going to change my opinion of these people until I have just cause to do so, and not because it isn't politically correct.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it's not your "opinion" of these people, it's the fact that you think of them as 'these' people..

you've already made your choice before you examined any of the 'facts'

xx

Originally posted by loismustdie
THEM apples = skanger lingo surely, wouldn't your type of people be better to say THOSE apples?

Nope, nope, its 'them apples' - Its a quote from a movie that I thought would be fitting.
Anyway, back to the (many-tiered) point at hand. I'm going with Super_furry on this one. I'm from the country, but go to College in Dublin. Every single time I get off the bus, all I see are skangers. EVERYWHERE. You can't miss them. But thats an image thing, and seeing as no-one on earth could help them with that, I'll leave it alone.
But I digress. As with Super_Furry, pretty much any bad experience I've had in dublin (which, granted, are very few) have been with skangers/gougers/scrotes/pikeys etc. I've never seen other people with the 'attitudes' that these people have. They think that just because they reckon they're 'hard' or 'bleedin out-of-it' that they have a licence to do anything they like. Smoke on buses - why the hell not? Shout abuse at random strangers who pass them by - but of course!!! And lets not forget the whole 'I'm with the lads and feel like beating the crap out of some guy on his way home from the pub' - hell, why not, Mr. Scumbag???
If my attitude is seen as racist/discriminatory, then so be it - I'm a racist mofo then. But I don't care, to tell you the truth.
So what I'd like to know here is how many people have had bad experiences of the skanger variety? C'mon, lets have a tally-up. If you can't take one persons word for it, Loismustdie, we'll see if we can get a good few people to bolster the argument that skangers are the dregs of the irish society.
They're unproductive and contribute nothing to this nation (apart from litter and the ever-spiraling crime level), they make the streets unsafe to walk on at night and are single-handedly increasing the population. daily.
But before you can start with your 'what gives you the right to say this' spiel - I have the right because I have a pair of eyes and ears and can see and hear what goes on around me. Point and case.
Now, how do I get off this preaching pedestal?

Havelock

At this point the arguement is degrading to a point where I will simply recommend a "Everyone who doesn't write on Boards.ie is scum" club. Whos with me?

Alright, we all have our own opinions and experiances with skangers. All mine have been negative, I have never had a possative interaction with one, and for that reason I try to avoid any more. I will discriminate against them (as in prejudge) to the extent I would sit at the front of the bus, or not sit beside them in a pub, because to do the contary will just lead to harassement in my experiance. I would do the same weather it be them, skin head neo-nazis or hooilgans. Its just street smarts and comment sense. If there was a history of men in neat suits going around town mugging, a beating up people for fun and sitting getting pissed in parks and being abusive (worries how these will read) I'd avoid people in suits, its that simple. The skanger clothing is like a uniform, it acts as an identifier. And it is identified with being a scumbag because that is the reputation that exists. I believe not all people who dress this way are scum, but you can never be sure who is and is not.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

and are single-handedly increasing the population. daily.

ROFL

anyone else find this to be ****ing hilarious?

Sangre

Originally posted by loismustdie
if you're scared of them go get yourself kevin costner to mind you when you're walkin around at night, and if you keep to yourself you'll be just fine hunny. an don't make yourself out to be so innocent, you abviously spend a lot of time studying these people

Right now I am using my left hand to touch the scar still under my eye. I was hit with a soverign ring, nearly took my eye out. Why? Because I was standing at a corner with my friends and these 'socially challenged' people had been drinking Dutch Gold. He asked me for a pound, I said I didnt have one (which I didnt) and he punch me....how nice.
Oh and guess what he was wearing? Shock horror! Skanger clothes....well I'll be damned. Well I suppose it was mostly my fault, I was trying to have fun on my JC results night, for shame.

Judging people is not wrong generally imo, it's a fact of life, and it is stupid not to. Street-wise as one person said so perfectly.

Although, like everyone here, skangers are not the only people I judge. I judge goths, skaters, jocks etc.... Skaters and jocks annoy me, jocks especially because they were everywhere in my school days.

Oh btw loismustdie....you are a muppa.

super_furry

it's not your "opinion" of these people, it's the fact that you think of them as 'these' people..

Which I do so because of my past experiences with them. Again, if that's discrimination, then I freely admit to being guilty of that.

Mercury_Tilt

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xx

Originally posted by Mordeth
ROFL

anyone else find this to be ****ing hilarious?

Was wondering if anyone would get the joke in that line. And the winner is: Mordeth.

BuffyBot

Originally posted by Mordeth
anyone else find it strange that a lot of the boards community have been arguing with the 'racists' over at stormfront for their portrayal (how do you spell that damned word) or black people as criminals, intellectually inferior.. etc etc, and then they hop over here to after hours to bitch about the skangers and scumbags..

Yup

Shilo

Apparently, what LMD is saying is that you can go ahead and bitch about skangers but in order to do so, you must be fully cognisant of their name, address and full social history. It's all about picking on individuals here.

Actually, when I was working in Henry St. and some f*cker came lunging across the counter at me when I was 6 months pregnant because he didn't like me pointing out (very civilly, I might add) that he had ASKED for a service that he then decided he and his 'mott' weren't prepared to pay for, I didn't much care who he was. But, if asked, I can tell you WHAT he was.... :mad: Alas, I can't tell you his name but I can tell you he had the requisite tracksuit, heavy 'gold' jewellery, bad tattoos and was obviously drunk and violent. Hmm, well, that narrows it down then, eh?

wombat

In my time in dublin I've lived in Rialto, Finglas, Santry, Collins Avenue and most lately Donnybrook.

Some of the best people I've ever met have work tracksuits (but not many large rings) and some of the biggest ****ers I've ever met have worn suits.
I've been jumped by skangers a couple of times in my life and called hippy or muppah or dracula or some other ill informed ****e more times than I can actually count.
Almost every single time a car has run a red light in front of me or missed me completly as they ignored both the red light and my presence on the paedestrian crossing at about 60mph it has been driven by some D4 tosspot.
There are gangs of little wannabe hard men **** out in D4 who are every bit as bad as the groups of little ****s out in finglas, the difference is that their Daddy is a lawyer.

The only reason I can think of personally to dislike "scangers" is that I hate the accent (not that I'm a fan of the D4 one for that matter) I think it's a harsh and lazy way of speaking but that's not the issue. They drink in fields, other kids use their fake IDs to drink in pubs, they're all pretty much as bad as each other.

sod

Originally posted by super_furry
I mean do they wake up one morning and think to themselves “I know, I’m going to buy a cheap tracksuit, some sovereign rings, a baseball cap that I’ll wear at a 90 degree angle

funnily enough, the real scangers wear the most expensive tracksuits and jewellery you can get (jewellery that looks like the stuff their into i mean), and you forgot to mention you stick both hands down the front of said tracksuit bottoms while walking around parnell st or wherever.

loismustdie

well then you need kevin more than anyone don't ya? before ya called me a muppa (very dignified) i was gonna give you some allowance even though i still disagree with you i would have said fair enough you did have a really bad experience, you did nothin wrong and they did, but it was only with a handful of people and you cannot make a generilisation. the point remains that 2 wrongs don't make a right, this thread shouldn't have been started and that all skangers aren't scumbags

loismustdie

Originally posted by xx
Was wondering if anyone would get the joke in that line. And the winner is: Mordeth.

i get second prize? i hadn't read the original post when i read mordeths but i got it straight away ****!

Stark

i think in this case you could alter the old adage: "when a wise man realises he is wise he becomes a fool but when a fool realises he is a fool he becomes a fool no longer"
to
"when a scanger realises that he is a scanger he becomes a skanger no longer"

I used to dress/act a bit like a scumbag/skanger etc. when I was a teenager (come from the northside of cork). Then I grew out of it and realised what a dickhead I was. Still trying to rid myself of the remnants of the accent unfortunately My friends from my area would agree with that as well, you reach a stage where you realise "hey wait a minute, i look like a right eejit and everyone hates me.".

There's a hell of a lot of scum in my area by the way. Since dressing like a normal person and when I was still living there I found it was impossible to walk outside my front door without getting hassled. If I sat too near the back of the bus and the skangers at the back started getting worked up and frustrated if the bus was stuck in traffic or whatever, I'd get the head smacked off me. Thank **** I'm out of there, but it still freaks me out when I go back home to visit the parents. My brother's a right skanger so that doesn't help either.

They drink in fields, other kids use their fake IDs to drink in pubs

That part was fun It was a good laugh drinking in fields then fleeing en masse from na garda siochana. The bad part was tripping over a couple who decided that shagging in the bushes was not beneath them.

Sangre

Originally posted by loismustdie
well then you need kevin more than anyone don't ya? before ya called me a muppa (very dignified) i was gonna give you some allowance even though i still disagree with you i would have said fair enough you did have a really bad experience, you did nothin wrong and they did, but it was only with a handful of people and you cannot make a generilisation. the point remains that 2 wrongs don't make a right, this thread shouldn't have been started and that all skangers aren't scumbags

And calling people ignorant and plain stupid is dignified as well?
Take that plank out of your eye please and stop generalising about people on boards.

The bottom line is, most people are going to judge people how they dress, if I see a group skangers (especially drunk) I will avoid them like the fecking plague, I know they will be 90% of the time trouble. I do not propose they should sit on the back of the bus, or that we should begin a lynching campaign, but that we should be weary of them, until they proove us otherwise.
Btw I am talking about teenage skangers, not anyone over 25ish.

loismustdie

Originally posted by super_furry
Yes, people have the right to dress whatever way they like. However, they do not have the right to act whatever way they like especially if they way they are acting adversly affects other people. If I'm wrong to discriminate against scangers, then so be it, I'm not going to change my opinion of these people until I have just cause to do so, and not because it isn't politically correct.

all i wanted you to do was admit you were wrong, not change your opinion. your decency as a person sh make you change it

loismustdie

Originally posted by Absolam
Yes; dress how you please but accept that as a consequence people will judge you on how you dress; that's just life. If you look like trouble then people will treat you like trouble.

this rule also applies to geeks etc, society sees it as unacceptable which it is. any discrimination is discrimination

Stark

Oh for god sake, skangers are skangers. You keep your moral objections, but I'll still keep a wide birth any time I see a gang of skangers in town.

loismustdie

Originally posted by Shilo
Apparently, what LMD is saying is that you can go ahead and bitch about skangers but in order to do so, you must be fully cognisant of their name, address and full social history. It's all about picking on individuals here.

Actually, when I was working in Henry St. and some f*cker came lunging across the counter at me when I was 6 months pregnant because he didn't like me pointing out (very civilly, I might add) that he had ASKED for a service that he then decided he and his 'mott' weren't prepared to pay for, I didn't much care who he was. But, if asked, I can tell you WHAT he was.... :mad: Alas, I can't tell you his name but I can tell you he had the requisite tracksuit, heavy 'gold' jewellery, bad tattoos and was obviously drunk and violent. Hmm, well, that narrows it down then, eh?

so wen i asked if u were all just ignorant or stupid, wht was your answer??? you completely mis understand me and shouldn't try to summerise wht someone else is saying if yu're incapable

you can say what you like about that person who did that to you becasue he was wrong, even though you haven't really given us the circumstance that doesn't matter. you can hate him as much as you want but you shouldn't look at other people who have never met him but who dresses the same as him in the same way.

loismustdie

Originally posted by k.oriordan
Oh for god sake, skangers are skangers. You keep your moral objections, but I'll still keep a wide birth any time I see a gang of skangers in town.

keep a wide birth, keep whatever you like - i'm giving my opinion as you are yours

Morgans

I'm sure skangers would take me as i am, and get to know me peronally, if i wore my cloth cap, my tweed coat, and my wellingtons into the square. The less people defend these skangers rights to act without impunity and actually got down to try solving the problem - no easy task - the better ireland would be.

Saw some young lad try to steal something out of a shop in Nutgrove a couple of weeks ago. He was chased down by the owner who caught him, but didnt hit him. Despite this, I was asked by his compadres to give a statement to the cops for compo reasons.

Lovely people.

Sangre

Originally posted by loismustdie
keep a wide birth, keep whatever you like - i'm giving my opinion as you are yours

No...you are telling people to change them for the decency of mankind.

loismustdie

Originally posted by Sangre
And calling people ignorant and plain stupid is dignified as well?
Take that plank out of your eye please and stop generalising about people on boards.

The bottom line is, most people are going to judge people how they dress, if I see a group skangers (especially drunk) I will avoid them like the fecking plague, I know they will be 90% of the time trouble. I do not propose they should sit on the back of the bus, or that we should begin a lynching campaign, but that we should be weary of them, until they proove us otherwise.
Btw I am talking about teenage skangers, not anyone over 25ish.

where did this 90% statistic come from?

the question are you stupid or ignorant was a question. a lot of people are misunderstanding me and not eveb trying to see where i'm coming from. they seem to be incapable of understanding what they don't agree with an i was asking if their disposition was ignorant (is that fair enough) the alternative of course is that they have a learning disability. sorry if i caused offence, because noone here has been offensive to anyone of course

loismustdie

Originally posted by Sangre
No...you are telling people to change them for the decency of mankind.

i'm askin you to change your opinions? this is a message board - convertions not too much unlike debates accur here where members give their opinions. as is human nature everyone generally agrees with their own opinion and would welcome others of the same opinion. however, as long as no1's opinion is unfair to anyone else conversations can be informative and beneficial, don't you think. you can keep your opinion

bloggs

loismustdie, if you don't like this thread (as you said you didn't like me starting it, then please just don't comment in it)

The problem with skangers is (as someone has said) that they appear to people like scumbags. So when you see a bunch of them walking down O'Connell St at 2am most people will likey move to the other side. While if you met the same amount of guys in suite/goths/"normals" (what ever they are ) most people wouldn't have a problem.

I have been verbally abused by skangers on buses and at bus stops, listened to them talk on their phones in cinemas and anything i stand up to them, i get a shower of abuse back.

What i am saying is that if you dress like a skanger you have to accept that people will treat you like a scumbag.

Honestly Lois, who would you rather feel safer leaving to look after you car while you go to the shops? A skanger or a guy in a suit?

I blame the likes of Christina Aguluera (excuse the spelling) who has loads of money but dresses like a skanger, she seems to be a role model, but the young female skangers seem to think if they dress like her they will be the same as her. Afraid not.

loismustdie

Originally posted by Morgans
I'm sure skangers would take me as i am, and get to know me peronally, if i wore my cloth cap, my tweed coat, and my wellingtons into the square. The less people defend these skangers rights to act without impunity and actually got down to try solving the problem - no easy task - the better ireland would be.

Saw some young lad try to steal something out of a shop in Nutgrove a couple of weeks ago. He was chased down by the owner who caught him, but didnt hit him. Despite this, I was asked by his compadres to give a statement to the cops for compo reasons.

Lovely people.

you all think you're better than skangers so two wrongs don't make a right.
a group of kids do that - we should just burn dublin down so it won't infect the rest of the country. get over yourselves

Sangre

Originally posted by loismustdie
all i wanted you to do was admit you were wrong, not change your opinion. your decency as a person sh make you change it

-next post-

i'm askin you to change your opinions? this is a message board - convertions not too much unlike debates accur here where members give their opinions. as is human nature everyone generally agrees with their own opinion and would welcome others of the same opinion. however, as long as no1's opinion is unfair to anyone else conversations can be informative and beneficial, don't you think. you can keep your opinion

Gah?
The 90% statistics came from my every day life experiences.

KK

I actually think that the point made by Sangre, that it is mostly teenagers or gangs of teenage "skangers" that people are inclined to avoid, is very valid. I know that I myself would go out of my way not to sit near a group of loud tracksuit-wearing kids on the bus, whereas I would have no problem sitting near their mother or older brother or sister. It's their immaturity, coupled with their ignorance and complete lack of manners that causes offence. Oh, and the likelihood that you'll be smacked hard if you're in their vicinity.
KK

super_furry

you all think you're better than skangers so two wrongs don't make a right.

You're correct when you say that two wrong don't make a right, however there are varying degree's of wrong. It's not as 'wrong', for example, to think that scangers are dangerous scumbags, as it is for someone to assault someone else just for the fun of it, and the two are just not comparable.

Stark

It's probably higher than 90%. Besides, it's too late to burn down Dublin now, the rest of the country is already infected (Cork and Limerick anyway). It wouldn't be so bad, only for the unfortunate bit about them breeding at a far higher rate than most people. (that said it's not all about where you arise from, I've seen some right scum come out of the nicest families).

Morgans

Not all skangers are from dublin. Im sure every city and large town in Ireland has a similar problem. Its just handy that they have a uniform in Dublin.

I am better than those skangers Ive encountered and I'd bet that I'm a better person than teh majority of those who dress like that. I dont try to trip my girlfriend up going into Argos to look hard in front of my friends. I dont talk to anyone who would do that. I dont threaten to hang my younger brother ( a good while back ) for no good reason. I dont know anyone who would tolerate that. There were five of them.

I dont smoke on buses, I dont litter, I think of other people other than myself. I am better. I am not blaming skangers, its the way they were (or werent) brought up. That is the issue to eb solved, not defending their right to upset socially civilised people minding their own business.

loismustdie

Originally posted by bloggs
if you don't want people wit disagreeing with you don't start a thread. m argument with you is that your opening post more or less asked if peopl liked skangers, you can hardly say that's fair. i accept that these "type" of people do seem to cause trouble but it's still not right to stereotype. goths an other "groups" can be just as intimidating and the more posh people like businessmen and just men and women ya see on the street are more often rude than skangers in my experience. yes people will treat them like scumbags and i can see why in a lot of cases, i just want you all to see that it's not right and though you believe you are a better breed the way you are actin in this thread makes you worse. in my experience with most people (skangers included) if you are decent with them they will be decent with you. having said all this there are no black and white rules for anything, there will always be bad experiences with everyone. and these "skangers" have been around long before christina aguilaera (i can't spell it either) now i've accepted your points and made my arguments, this should be a lot more civilised a thread than some people are making it and you should be able to at least understand where i'm coming from also




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loismustdie

Originally posted by Sangre
Gah?
The 90% statistics came from my every day life experiences.

gah??????????????????????

90% of your day is bad experiences with skangers?
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loismustdie

Originally posted by k.oriordan
(that said it's not all about where you arise from, I've seen some right scum come out of the nicest families).

exactly, there are scum bags everywhere. what about scumbag families who have nice kids but they might dress in skanger fashion - oh yeah, if they look like that you'll treat them like scumbags

loismustdie

Originally posted by super_furry
You're correct when you say that two wrong don't make a right, however there are varying degree's of wrong. It's not as 'wrong', for example, to think that scangers are dangerous scumbags, as it is for someone to assault someone else just for the fun of it, and the two are just not comparable.

but it is wrong to treat people as if they have assaulted someone becasue they wear the same clothes as people who have in the past

loismustdie

Originally posted by Morgans
Not all skangers are from dublin. Im sure every city and large town in Ireland has a similar problem. Its just handy that they have a uniform in Dublin.

I am better than those skangers Ive encountered and I'd bet that I'm a better person than teh majority of those who dress like that. I dont try to trip my girlfriend up going into Argos to look hard in front of my friends. I dont talk to anyone who would do that. I dont threaten to hang my younger brother ( a good while back ) for no good reason. I dont know anyone who would tolerate that. There were five of them.

I dont smoke on buses, I dont litter, I think of other people other than myself. I am better. I am not blaming skangers, its the way they were (or werent) brought up. That is the issue to eb solved, not defending their right to upset socially civilised people minding their own business.

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