Am I the only one...

RicardoSmith · 13-09-2003 12:20am

Originally posted by feylya
Doesn't make them bad either.... No, I don't like them but thousands do.

Exactly. Like I said in the other thread. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". You can say you don't like some music and how much you dislike it. But you can't put a value judgement on it. Well you can but its has no meaning.

feylya · 13-09-2003 12:37am

Exactly. Couldn't put it better.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 13-09-2003 12:49am

i dunno..

you can argue about a singers voice, about how good their singing is..
you can argue the quality of a guitarists guitar playing, or the skill and quality of the drumwork.
what you can't measure is how much you 'like' the album, but that isn't a measure of how 'good' the album is.. only your personal opinion of it..

it is quite possible to rate an album as 'good' or bad, looking at style of play, skill with the instruments, vocalists, how it blends with the music...

art is personal, fair enough but it also has a er.. constructed element to it.. it can be taken apart an analyzed.

RicardoSmith · 13-09-2003 1:03am

Sure you can if you treat music as a technical exercise instead of an artform for which people empathize with. Even if you judge it on purely technical details like BetaMax > VHS. At the end of the day it doesn't matter how good technically it is, if no one likes it, or if people DO like it

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 13-09-2003 1:07am

true, but at least this way I can actually say that it's a bad album

RicardoSmith · 13-09-2003 1:17am

Originally posted by Mordeth
true, but at least this way I can actually say that it's a bad album

Thats like saying blue isn't a nice colour and that you MUST colour inside the lines.

cournioni · 13-09-2003 1:26am

Originally posted by feylya
I hate to break this to you Pornapster but it's not fourteen years ago.

So thats the reason why they got rid of the only attributes that made them great?

feylya · 13-09-2003 1:38am

No, it means that people get bored shredding like a mad bastard. Even I get bored of playing For The Love Of God sometimes and start playing Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja. It's just a nice, simple song to rock on. ****, St Anger is at least slightly heavier than Load (which I also thought was a bloody good album)

cournioni · 13-09-2003 2:56am

No one ever gets sick of hearing anyone shred. Take a look at Slayer for example. They still have a great fanbase, after playing basically the same stuff for years. I'll never get sick of hearing them riff like crazy.

I think it is just dumb, what Metallica are doing right now. Tuning down 4 steps, and having a trash can for a snare just to try and be original. What they were doing pre-Black album was original, and everyone liked it. They had their own sound (and no one took it off them). Then Bob Rock came along and fucked it all up. All I can say is bring back Flemming Rasmussen. Now there is a decent producer for you.

feylya · 13-09-2003 3:09am

Each to their own.

Repli · 13-09-2003 3:09am

When i first heard i thought i was listening to slipknot..its very very heavy.. but having said that for metallica it is original material and for whoever said theres no riffs on the album.. listen to the start of Frantic..
I think people were just expecting another s&m or master of puppets but times have changed.. and theyre disappointed with this album

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 13-09-2003 11:17am

I think it's all well and good to try to be original with each new release and i respect them for taking a new direction with the album, I'm just sad it didn't work.

I wasn't expecting anything with this album, the start of frantic put a smile on my face as it was a good start to the album.. sadly there was no variation in the album. every song sounds the same, i think they just got lazy and know that their fans will buy any old ****e they push out so they don't have to try any more

nesthead · 13-09-2003 11:38am

album is a big pile of poo. this has been discussed SOO many times who brought up this thread?

its nu-metal, and nu-metal is ****. enough said.

feylya · 13-09-2003 1:09pm

Define nu-metal.

RicardoSmith · 13-09-2003 1:10pm

Originally posted by nesthead
album is a big pile of poo. this has been discussed SOO many times who brought up this thread?

its nu-metal, and nu-metal is ****. enough said.

So if you don't like it, then it must be carp. Smart. ww)

feylya · 13-09-2003 1:16pm

Originally posted by RicardoSmith
So if you don't like it, then it must be carp. Smart. ww)

Damn those pesky fish.

RicardoSmith · 13-09-2003 1:18pm

Originally posted by feylya
Damn those pesky fish.

cournioni · 13-09-2003 9:10pm

Originally posted by feylya
Define nu-metal.

http://www.entertainment.inuk.com/music/numetalguide.html

It's definately not the thrash metal that they started out with.

Heresy · 14-09-2003 5:47pm

album is a big pile of poo. this has been discussed SOO many times who brought up this thread?

Ok so you hate the album, who cares?? Maybe if you actually read the first post on this thread you:

a) might see who brought it up.

b) realise that I was interested in hearing from people who concur with my opinion.

If people have a problem with dealing with the same topic cropping up again and again, then the best policy would be to ignore it and the thread would quickly disappear. 'Nuff said.

Lukin Black · 14-09-2003 6:16pm

Originally posted by Mordeth
ROFL
it's "matt smith - st anger tribute"

it's ****ing hilarious

Sure is

I love the 'drums'. Got it spot on

Doctor J · 15-09-2003 10:39am

I think most people, even those of us who lost heart with the black album and find Load, RelOad and Stanger unlistenable, still care about Metallica, just because they used to be so phooking good . They used to be the best.

I know I'm just hoping that someday they'll find whatever it is that makes them so shyte these days and get rid of it (Bob Rock).

Lemming · 15-09-2003 10:55am

Originally posted by Doctor J
I think most people, even those of us who lost heart with the black album and find Load, RelOad and Stanger unlistenable, still care about Metallica, just because they used to be so phooking good . They used to be the best.

"Used" to be the best? Go to a gig and then say that ......

their more recent studio albums may have been somewhat on the weak side by and large (with St.Anger being the weakest by a long shot), but put them in a live setting and they will p*iss all over just about most other bands out there.

They still have it when live

Doctor J · 15-09-2003 11:05am

I just did.

I saw them on the ...And Justice For All tour and the black album tour too. They're not as good as they used to be.

I stand by what I said.They used to be the best. I thought Anthrax in the Ambassador this year was a much better show.

padraigmyers · 15-09-2003 11:13am

He's right, they USED to be the best. I saw them last month in the RDS and yes,
they where excellent but the main reason for that was because 90% of what they
played was stuff from the first 5 albums. You need more than a good live act to make
a great band. Metallica, in my opionion, are at this stage simply past it as far as
making good records go'es, I really don't expect to ever hear another Matallica
album that I'm going to like. They are still a tremendous live act, but I've given up
on them producing anything new thats worth listening to.

Baggio · 16-09-2003 5:50am

`Great Thread folks,
..Metallica??..hmmm pretty same ol same ol with them isn't it?..I dunno,,never listened to much of them, but anything Ive heard/seen of them...well it's all the same. Mind you,,when they had the orchestra backing them,,that was interesting,..I think they need that ALL the time, their sound is pretty dull without it!
Lars Ulrich a great drummer??..excuse me while I laugh hysterically and vomit...my Goodness,,what can we say??..it's so typical of the garbage over here about."great Drummers man!", he is average at best,,,his kit is crappy and he is no where NEAR the top 50 on the planet...Metal Hammer magazine??.what the heck would they know?/..oh sure 15 years ago some adults DID read it..but now?..it's for snotty sliphnott/slayer fans MAN!!..hhahahahaha 14 year old clipes who wouldn't know a drummer from a paper boy!
Of course the TRUE greats Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Simon Phillips, Mike Portney...and of course the top of them all Neil Peart of RUSH (he won the best drummer/percussionist category in Modern Drummer and Rhthym magazines more times than anybody else in history!- he's now in the Rock hall of fame..along with other greats as mentioned).... would use Lars as a ass wipe and..all those other so called "great drummers" out there...overated tossers ...and just look at the kits of these new found GREAT DRUMMERS?!,,ive seen bigger better sounding Quality Street Tins!,,,what a bunch of planks,,ahh well...what was the thread again???
Oh yeah...Metallica man!,,,, average...veryyyy average!

ciao' amigo's....Baggio.....

Lukin Black · 16-09-2003 9:42am

I can't say that I've ever thought Lars was that great, not too bad though, otherwise would they have gotten as far as they did?

Hmm, I see Paddy20 has competition

Heresy · 16-09-2003 10:08am

He's right, they USED to be the best

And they still are. I see alot of ye disagree with me on my opinion of the album but come on - these guys deserve alot more respect than they are getting even if ye dislike the album.
This place is a microcosm of what the world is like. A band do well and they are put on a pedestal only to be shoved off again by the wolves on the ground. I ****en hate that. I'll admit that they're not as good as they used to be, but show some respect, for past achievements at least.

padraigmyers · 16-09-2003 10:49am

Sorry, but its 12 years since they produced an ablum that I've been interested in,
there are too many other bands putting out good albms to say that Metallica have
still got it. I do think that Metallica are the best metal band overall, but thats disserent
to saying that they still have it. I can look back and call them a great band on the
basis of looking at all of their albums but I don't think that they currently are great.

cournioni · 16-09-2003 10:53am

Originally posted by Heresy
And they still are. I see alot of ye disagree with me on my opinion of the album but come on - these guys deserve alot more respect than they are getting even if ye dislike the album.
This place is a microcosm of what the world is like. A band do well and they are put on a pedestal only to be shoved off again by the wolves on the ground. I ****en hate that. I'll admit that they're not as good as they used to be, but show some respect, for past achievements at least.

There are alot more bands than just Metallica that deserve respect, bands like Pantera, Slayer, Decapitated, Morbid Angel, Opeth, Sentenced, In Flames, Dream Theater, Down, The Haunted, and more are better. They are not in the 80's anymore. There is lots more competition around nowadays. Which is why they took the easy route, because they knew that they couldn't match the skill and energy out of some of those bands. Some of Lars' excuses for their output recently have been just laughable.

Doctor J · 17-09-2003 9:47am

If you want to show respect , then show resect to old bands who never turned their back on Metal, bands like Anthrax, Voivod and Overkill. They've been neglected because they never turned their backs on their roots and continued to play Metal even though most people didn't care. Now that it's trendy to be heavy again Metallica put out a "heavy" album? It's a terrible album.

Yeah show some respect to a band's achivements by cheering for Voivod when they support Ozzy (Newsted included - the only Metallica worthy of respect who never turned his back on Metal).

I still love, and will always love the first four Metallica albums. They are, and will always be, landmark releases, excellent Metal albums. However, they should not be given an easy ride over putting out garbage new material (should people go easy on Oasis? No, I think not). Call a spade a spade. Instead of giving money to Metallicorp, why not shell out yer hard earned on some of the other bands mentioned above, all of whom have put out excellent Metal albums this year and who will get 0.0005% of the recognition Metallica will get. They're the bands who kept Metal alive while Metallica were putting out "Mama Said" and "The Unforgiven II"

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