So Who's Gonna Win The CL ?

Space Coyote · 19-09-2003 12:28am #1

I know it's a bit early doors to be talking about winners but hey whatever.

I'm going for Juventus mainly because they've probably been the most consistent side since the Champions League began. Hey what about United, Bayern or Real you say...

[edit]If anyone not on that list actually wins the thing, I'll burn my Liverpool jersey![/edit]

jesus_thats_gre · 19-09-2003 12:41am

Hate to say it, United.

JohnnyBravo · 19-09-2003 10:44am

Nah utd wont win it they will get a hiding from madrid and they havnt bought players to immediately replace beckham and veron

Thanx 4 The Fish · 19-09-2003 10:46am

Real to go all the way, I just love watching them play and hope that they go as far as the finals anyway.

bucks73 · 19-09-2003 10:50am

United for me.

If not it will be one of the Italian teams as Real dont have the defence to win it.

JohnnyBravo · 19-09-2003 11:06am

Real will win it if they dont come up against juve

Big Chief · 19-09-2003 11:09am

Wheres the option for celtic?

I agree with T4TF in that i could never bore of watching real madrid play, i hope they win it. Or atleast get to the final as you said, always enjoyable football watching them

KdjaCL · 19-09-2003 11:35am

Real or Utd IF they dont have to play an Italian team in the knockouts, I cant see anyone beating the Italians only each other, they too damn good at the back.

Think Italians are back with a vengence and will have 3 teams in semis.
kdjac

woosaysdan · 19-09-2003 1:27pm

Originally posted by JohnnyBravo
Nah utd wont win it they will get a hiding from madrid and they havnt bought players to immediately replace beckham and veron

we didnt get a hiding last year!!! as for beckham and veron, beckham was replaced with our new superkid ronaldo and veron was kept out of the team by scholes so why replace him?

smemon · 19-09-2003 6:55pm

utd, i hope. ac milan are the holders and have a very strong squad. madrid are the best footballers in the world and deserve to win. however the italians might roll them over again and the pressure is immense on madrid.

i predict a manu-madrid final. madrid to nick it although what utd would do to win that trophy.

The Muppet · 19-09-2003 6:58pm

I cant see anyone beating the Italians only each other, they too damn good at the back.

Any United fan afraid of Juve? I think Not.

smemon · 19-09-2003 7:14pm

if any non-italian side could beat italians its utd. they have the right mixture of defense and attack along with bags of experience.

i'd much rather playing against any italian side than madrid as a utd fan.

Nike_Dude · 19-09-2003 7:44pm

Even after a poor showing against celtic i still think Bayern can win it. Roy Makaay will be brilliant this season. I think Real are slightly suspect at the back especially with carlos and salgado bombing forward every few minutes, they will really miss Makelele once the knock-out phases start. Utd have a chance if Ruud stays fit but they just lack that cutting edge in midfield

PiE · 19-09-2003 10:57pm

Originally posted by smemon
madrid are the best footballers in the world and deserve to win.

Madrid may be (arguably) the most talented team in the world, but why does that mean they "deserve" to win it? They don't deserve to win it any more than all the other teams in the CL, from Milan to... Sparta Prague.

I'll go with Milan again... but I feel they're gonna put a lot of effort into the league this season, which might affect their CL performances.

AngelofFire · 20-09-2003 12:39am

I predict the Semi finalists to be Milan Internazionale Manutd and Realmadrid. The title winner will be the winner of the semi final between Real Madrid and ManU. Arsenal will be lucky to make it past the Final 16. Juve will only be able to get past the quarters with a bit of luck. Ajax have lost two of their best players in Van Der Meyde and Chivu. As a fan of theirs i hate to admit but quite frankly i cant see them getting past the group stage.Chelsea havnt been in the competition long enough to make an impact. They`ll do well against the smaller teams but they`ll crack when it comes to the big guns.

LoneGunM@n · 20-09-2003 10:58am

My heart says Man Utd, but the rest of me is screaming AC Milan, but only if Schevchenko [sp] stays fit and Gatuso stops getting sent off!!

I agree with all that has been said about Real Madrid .... they are without doubt one of the most entertaining teams in the world to watch [including Becks], but they are far to suspect at the back .... they should have replaced Hierro before the deadline & as seen against Marseille, they'll have to hope they can score a bucket load each match, because they'll conceed a lot too!!

I can't see Chelsea doing it [please please please don't let them win anything, 'cause it'll have me in bankruptcy [sp?] court :rolleyes: :rolleyes: .... memo to self, don't bet against any1 ever again

]!!

Arsenal :rolleyes: .... I've no more to say on their chances!!

Eron · 20-09-2003 12:41pm

I doubt Man UTD will do it, and my money is on AC milan, I mean look at their squad and facilities! They have the best squad out of all the teams in the champions league, without question - and with goalscorers like Schevchenko and co. around, how can they really not win again? They are a super team!

Space Coyote · 20-09-2003 2:16pm

When was the last time a team won the European Cup twice in a row ??? There's no way AC Milan will win it again...ooh it was them, back in '89 and '90...might be worth a bet.

It'll be a Milan v Juve final

Eron · 20-09-2003 3:04pm

Come on Milan!

PHB · 20-09-2003 3:07pm

I am a Man United Fan and I'd love to see them win it again, but I'd much much rather watch them play Real Madrid again, that was the best match i've ever watched in my life, cept maybe the champions league final a couple of years ago

I can't see Arsenal taking on the big guns, as Arsenal are too single minded.

I think AC Milan are gona win it again, unless Real Madrid get their defense in order, or Man United suprise me

Qadhafi · 20-09-2003 8:01pm

You have to fancy some of the Italian sides, not to pretty to watch sometimes but they get the results.

I still dont think the English clubs are better than the rest of the CL, maybe next year. Real Madrid are the best technically but sometimes lack that fighting spirt to win a 50/50 match.

Oswald Osbourne · 20-09-2003 11:30pm

Has to be one of the Italians again. Madrid look even less sure of themselves than last season and Man United (against Panathanikos) were made to look far better outfit than they actually are. The first half performance of Bayern Munich v Celtic should be enough to convince anyone that they don't have a chance this year.

Yep, Italy all the way this year.

Eron · 20-09-2003 11:52pm

Ah, so one bad bayern match means they wont win it, yet one manU man win means they, em, wont win it? You confuse me... Bayern have a supper squad, as do United (Keep in mind I am an arsenal supporter) but I dont think either have that extra something that won Real titles in the last 5 years in champs league. Milan are still my tipped team...

Space Coyote · 23-09-2003 11:55am

Is everybody that voted for Man U a Man U fan ? Just wondering why they're winning...

JohnnyBravo · 23-09-2003 11:57am

They wont win it they might be good enough to win the premiership but they simply lake the quality to succeed in the champions league

PHB · 23-09-2003 12:20pm

All it takes is a little luck for any of perhaps the top 4 Real, ManU, Juve, Milan to get ahead of each other. All I know is its gona be good football

BKtje · 23-09-2003 5:48pm

If i had a tenner (and i do) id stick it on Inter. Think they got a good chance this year and have always had a soft spot for them.

Would love Man u to do it but dont think they will. Quarters or so

Eron · 24-09-2003 11:45pm

I cant believe there is so little votes for Milan. Look at their squad? and they didn't do a stupid thing and go and sell all their good players for loadsa money (cus noone but Chelski have money). I believe the arsenal 0% is quite accurate, I think they should go for 3rd place and settle for a semi-final in the uefa cup or something. Real Madrid, can they even stick out the season in la liga? nevermind CL.

JohnnyBravo · 25-09-2003 10:17am

Ac milan were jammy last year they didnt win the last four matches to win it last year so it looks very unlikely they will win it this year hectr cuper is a master at two legged ties and the new format will suit him i think juve could be a god bet hoping del piero stays fit

p.pete · 25-09-2003 10:36am

Originally posted by B-K-DzR
If i had a tenner (and i do) id stick it on Inter.

They would be my favourites at the moment too.

By the way - if Chelsea were to win it would they be considered dark horses or do they have as good a chance as anyone?

JohnnyBravo · 25-09-2003 10:52am

Id say they have as good a chance as anyone if they gell they have a load of continental players at the club who have lived in the champions league for years

p.pete · 25-09-2003 11:01am

Originally posted by JohnnyBravo
Id say they have as good a chance as anyone if they gell they have a load of continental players at the club who have lived in the champions league for years

I totally agree, was just looking for other (non Chelsea supporting:D) opinions.

The Muppet · 25-09-2003 12:02pm

dont think chelski have the defencce yet but January is,nt that far away so who Knows. O
Obviously would love Utd to do it but i cant see the current team doing better than last years .

Inter look good to me too.

p.pete · 25-09-2003 12:09pm

Originally posted by The Muppet
dont think chelski have the defencce yet but January is,nt that far away so who Knows. O
Obviously would love Utd to do it but i cant see the current team doing better than last years .
Inter look good to me too.

Chelsea had the best defence in england last season, have maintained all those defenders (except that guy who reads the posh newspapers) and gained a few pretty good defenders.

Don't see defence as a problem once they've gelled which they should have if and when they get past the first round.

The Muppet · 25-09-2003 12:20pm

Chelsea had the best defence in england last season,

Its just my opinion pete. I dont english teams defends in a way that will bring the sucess in Europe. It is more down to the style of football they play than the players themself. I agree Chelsea have good defenders Terry in particular is excellent but as the Gunners found out last week when playing against the Top Europen Teams They are not Good Enough.

(considering what has gone on here this week i that is not a dig at arsenal just the facts as i see them and considering UTD' performance over the past season the same will more than likely apply to them when they meet the top teams.)

p.pete · 25-09-2003 12:29pm

Nah it's not a big dig at Arsenal. They are able to seem very attacking in England with their full backs going forward to help out. Go into Europe and this leaves them exposed in the corners for better players to run into and then they're just a cross into the box away from a goal.

Arsenal however haven't come close to having the best defense in the league either, Chelsea have that. So if it is a matter of English teams in general not being sound defensively then Chelsea are surely the best of a bad bunch.

Also their midfield and forward is a class act all the way!

Villain · 25-09-2003 1:04pm

anyone know the odds on Chelsea??

Anything better than 6 or 7 to 1 has to be worth a few quid they had the dept in there squad to challenge.

Dustaz · 25-09-2003 1:14pm

none of the people tipping madrid seem to have mentioned that without Makele they are seriously lacking in midfield and not just defense. I cant see them winning beating well marshalled teams.

As pie said, milan seem to be concentrating on the league so Inter might be an interesting bet.

DUX · 25-09-2003 4:54pm

Real Madrid ---> too weak at the back, playing with 11 strikers is not enough to win the CL, but I admit that I love watching them playing

AC Milan ----> I hate them, I don't want to imagine them winning again

Inter Milan ----> they haven't won the Italian league for the last 15 years and they will put a lot of effort in it (but they will arrive 2nd, as usual).... no way they are going to win the CL, is this a joke??

Juventus ----> hey, that's my team. Very strong at the back and midfield (although Davids is going through a bad period), the problem could arise if the striker (Trezeguet) get injured as there is not a valid replacement.

Bayern Munich ----> last year they killed the Bundesliga and I think they will get at least as far as the semifinal

Man United

> it all depends who they are going to play against... being a Juve supporter I have to say that Man. Utd. always kicked our ass in the last few years and I wouldnt love to play against them...

Arsenal ----> will they go through the first round??

Chelsea

> this could be the big surprise of the CL..... I have no idea how far they can get....

I don't see Lazio and Deportivo La Coruna listed, I believe they are among the strongest team in Europe at the moment......

p.pete · 25-09-2003 4:57pm

Originally posted by DUX
Real Madrid ---> too weak at the back, playing with 11 strikers is not enough to win the CL, but I admit that I love watching them playing
AC Milan ----> I hate them, I don't want to imagine them winning again
Inter Milan ----> they haven't won the Italian league for the last 15 years and they will put a lot of effort in it (but they will arrive 2nd, as usual).... no way they are going to win the CL, is this a joke??
Juventus ----> hey, that's my team. Very strong at the back and midfield (although Davids is going through a bad period), the problem could arise if the striker (Trezeguet) get injured as there is not a valid replacement.
Bayern Munich ----> last year they killed the Bundesliga and I think they will get at least as far as the semifinal
Man United
> it all depends who they are going to play against... being a Juve supporter I have to say that Man. Utd. always kicked our ass in the last few years and I wouldnt love to play against them...
Arsenal ----> will they go through the first round??
Chelsea
> this could be the big surprise of the CL..... I have no idea how far they can get....
I don't see Lazio and Deportivo La Coruna listed, I believe they are among the strongest team in Europe at the moment......

What about rangers?

DUX · 25-09-2003 4:58pm

This are the latest odds on Paddypower

Real Madrid 4 - 1 Monaco 66 - 1

Man Utd 11 - 2 VfB Stuttgart 80 - 1

Bayern Munich 7 - 1 Marseille 80 - 1

Juventus 9 - 1 PSV Eindhoven 80 - 1

AC Milan 10 - 1 Galatasaray 80 - 1

Inter Milan 10 - 1 Rangers 80 - 1

Chelsea 10 - 1 Olympiakos 100 - 1

Arsenal 18 - 1 AEK Athens 100 - 1

Deportivo La Coruna 20 - 1 Dynamo Kiev 100 - 1

Lazio 22 - 1 Anderlecht 125 - 1

Real Sociedad 33 - 1 Panathanaikos 150 - 1

Porto 40 - 1 Club Brugge 150 - 1

Celta Vigo 40 - 1 Besiktas 200 - 1

Lyon 40 - 1 Lokomotiv Moscow 250 - 1

Ajax Amsterdam 50 - 1 Partizan Belgrade 250 - 1

Celtic 66 - 1 Sparta Prague 300 - 1

Eron · 25-09-2003 6:00pm

How are Ajax all the way back there? Behind Lyon??!!

Villain · 25-09-2003 6:12pm

Originally posted by p.pete
What about rangers?

Ya what about them?? will they even get into the second round??

Chelsea 10-1 that has to be worth 20euro

Space Coyote · 25-09-2003 6:42pm

Wowzers, the 8 teams I put into the poll just happen to be the top 8 in paddy powers list...genius or what ?!

Originally posted by DUX
I don't see Lazio and Deportivo La Coruna listed, I believe they are among the strongest team in Europe at the moment......

Are you mad ?! What exactly are you basing your beliefs on ???

DUX · 26-09-2003 9:23am

Would you believe that only 2 months ago Chelsea was given 25-1 and if I recall correctly in June just after the Premiership finished was given something like 40-1
Infact all the big stars like Veron, Mutu, Crespo and all the others were bought just before starting the Premiership 2003/2004

Space Coyote · 26-09-2003 10:33am

Even at 10-1 Chelski are definitely worth throwing a bet on, I'd say those odds will be shortening pretty sharpish.

Eron · 26-09-2003 8:56pm

Yeah, but can Chelski do it?

p.pete · 27-09-2003 11:13am

Originally posted by Eron
Yeah, but can Chelski do it?

10 - 1 says they can't...

Spud · 27-09-2003 9:54pm

Its goto Be Real I cant see Man.Utd Beating Real or Barca and *** Chelsea would whoop there ass even worse

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