Jack Charlton - Roy Keane

Emboss · 20-09-2003 1:42pm #1

Last night on Pat Kenny (ashamed as I am to say I was watching it)

between the two of them were teasing the Irish public with hopes of Roy comming back for one last match (swiss game) Jack said how much he would love Roy to come back and try and help us out one last time

The whole thing looked like it was scrippted to try and put keane under preasure to come back for one last match.

as much as I would love to see him play for ireland again even if it was for one last game, i'm sure someone close to roy seen it last night so

Will he come back for one last match ?
who would be the right person to ask him ?
would something like that put him under any preasure ?
does he even care about the ireland squad ?

answers on postcards please

jesus_thats_gre · 20-09-2003 1:50pm

Originally posted by Emboss
Last night on Pat Kenny (ashamed as I am to say I was watching it)

between the two of them were teasing the Irish public with hopes of Roy comming back for one last match (swiss game) Jack said how much he would love Roy to come back and try and help us out one last time

The whole thing looked like it was scrippted to try and put keane under preasure to come back for one last match.

as much as I would love to see him play for ireland again even if it was for one last game, i'm sure someone close to roy seen it last night so

Will he come back for one last match ?
who would be the right person to ask him ?
would something like that put him under any preasure ?
does he even care about the ireland squad ?

answers on postcards please

What crap. He has retired, he is only one player.. God wish they would get over it!!!

KdjaCL · 20-09-2003 1:54pm

Dont watch Irish TV but few people talking about it today.
If he did come back to me it be a fresh slate ,what happened was Him Mick and FAI fookin up last year and its in the past.

He is a wanker (he is from cork ) but if Kerr got him to play i would think our chances of winning would go from "not a hope in hell" to "should beat them".

But he wont come back it is Irish TV after all and its simply ratings and to get people talking about it, im sure when Keane is on Dunphy he will be asked.

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
What crap. He has retired, he is only one player!

Unfortunatley hes the best player to ever come from ireland and he the best by a long way even tho hes a wanker (he is from Cork)
kdjac

Emboss · 20-09-2003 2:10pm

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
What crap. He has retired, he is only one player.. God wish they would get over it!!!

I agree he is one player

but he is one player who can change ireland from being an ok team to a great team he has no fear and this filters through the team and puts fear into other teams.

even if we didn't beat the swiss the fact he did it for his country for the fans just give it his all for one last game and then put it to bed.

I'd be a happpy man

smemon · 20-09-2003 2:26pm

i thought that had been put to bed. keane will never play for ireland again. he admires kerr but the damage has been done by the fai and mc carthy.

Emboss · 20-09-2003 2:33pm

Roy has put it to bed

I don't think the majority of the irish football fans have tho

we can dream...

jesus_thats_gre · 20-09-2003 2:51pm

He is a excellent player.

But his time has gone, Ireland have to move and the disruption of him returning would do more bad than good.

Eron · 20-09-2003 3:02pm

God, I wish this subject would be dropped... FOREVER! Roy Keane is gone, people bitching about it everyday isn't going to bring him back, why should he come back? to play with the England B team? Er, I mean the Irish team?

jesus_thats_gre · 20-09-2003 4:01pm

Originally posted by Eron
God, I wish this subject would be dropped... FOREVER! Roy Keane is gone, people bitching about it everyday isn't going to bring him back, why should he come back? to play with the England B team? Er, I mean the Irish team?

Ohhhh someone is looking to start something.. Sort of a valid point though.. Ya *** **** ****

cournioni · 20-09-2003 5:12pm

I wish it would happen. But it isn't going to happen.

ShriekingSheet · 20-09-2003 5:30pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I wish it would happen. But it isn't going to happen.

yep - what that guy said

The Muppet · 20-09-2003 8:59pm

I wouldnt rule it out. He was just recovering from his op when he turned kerr down. This season he appears to be back to full fitness so while I would be surpised if he returned i would not dismiss the suggestion completely.

I was surprised by jacks comments the last time i saw him on the late late he slated keane for the saipan incident. I wonder was this off the cuff banter of is it an orchestrated attempt to open things up again?

Oswald Osbourne · 20-09-2003 11:28pm

I seem to remember Kerr trying to get Keane back into the squad soon after he took the helm last February and the net result of the exercise being a week or so of the 'great' Keane messing Kerr around until eventually saying he WOULDN'T comeback (and worse still more or less making it out like Ferguson was stopping him.)? As such maybe Kerr wouldn't be too interested in getting Keane back at this point.

Either way, no matter how you look at it Keane turned his back on the team a year ago and for me that is enough to never want him back. I'd reckon that our central midfield pairing is probably as weak as it's been for 20 years now but I still wouldn't take Keane back for love or money. If that means us losing in Basle next month and not qualifying for Portugal then so be it.

cournioni · 21-09-2003 12:07pm

Originally posted by Oswald Osbourne
I seem to remember Kerr trying to get Keane back into the squad soon after he took the helm last February and the net result of the exercise being a week or so of the 'great' Keane messing Kerr around until eventually saying he WOULDN'T comeback (and worse still more or less making it out like Ferguson was stopping him.)? As such maybe Kerr wouldn't be too interested in getting Keane back at this point.

Either way, no matter how you look at it Keane turned his back on the team a year ago and for me that is enough to never want him back. I'd reckon that our central midfield pairing is probably as weak as it's been for 20 years now but I still wouldn't take Keane back for love or money. If that means us losing in Basle next month and not qualifying for Portugal then so be it.

:rolleyes:

Villain · 21-09-2003 1:02pm

I really hope the media don't start harping on about this again.

Kerr has a hard enough job ahead of him without this issue coming back AGAIN.

Keane choose not to come back when Kerr asked

Thats where this story should of ended

Now-> Lets get behind the squad of players who will be trying to beat the Swiss and give us a holiday in Portugal next year.

Oswald Osbourne · 21-09-2003 1:22pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
:rolleyes:

If you've got something intelligent/constructive to say or have found some error in my comments then please come out and say it. Otherwise just keep your pointless comebacks to yourself.

The Muppet · 21-09-2003 1:36pm

Yawn!

cournioni · 21-09-2003 2:42pm

Originally posted by Oswald Osbourne
If you've got something intelligent/constructive to say or have found some error in my comments then please come out and say it. Otherwise just keep your pointless comebacks to yourself.

Because basically everything you said above you just pulled out of your arse. If you want my comments on the Keane situation go to the McCarthy thread. I couldn't be bothered writing out a constuctive post because I have been doing it all week.

I can see from your post also that you said Ferguson was stopping him from playing for Ireland. He didn't stop him, he gave his opinion on the situation at the time and he said it would be best for his career to quit international football. Saying that he told him to quit is just nonsense. When the Saipan incident happened, Ferguson was trying to persuede Keane to play in the world cup.

You have no proof to back up any of your comments therefore you do not have anything "intelligent/constructive to say". It is obvious that you are just another ABU trying to get your anti-United propaganda across. So if YOU have something intelligent to say, say it. Otherwise don't bother posting at all.

Oswald Osbourne · 21-09-2003 3:48pm

Thanks but I don't really want to read your commments on the Keane situation as they are probably just as unilluminated as your stuff on this thread. If you had a problem with my post then you could have just ignored it or at least made some effort to 'illuminate' me with your acumen instead of just sticking a worthless emoticon in there just because you don't have the eloquence to express yourself.

Regarding Ferguson, as an analogy, if you or I turn up late for work 3 days in a row and your boss in passing shares the 'opinion' with you'd be doing your job better if you turned up on time, do you just call it harmless advice or do you do you take it on board in a SERIOUS way? Of course you'd do the latter - if you want to keep your job that is. Similarily whilst it might have just seemed to be Ferguson sharing his 'opinion' that Keane should quit Ireland I'm sure the player himself knew what that REALLY meant and was far more mindful of it.

Regarding what I've said about Saipan you have no proof to say that my comments are wrong. That is unless you're a player/board member of ManU and/or the FAI perhaps? No? Didn't think so! The fact IS Keane did drop out of the squad of his own volition before McCarthy kicked him out so (no matter the circumstances) HE DID TURN HIS BACK ON THE TEAM just as I have said. Also I never made any reference to Ferguson in regards to Saipan so I don't see why you're bringing him up in regard to that incident. Please stick to the topic and stop trying to point score for the beloved Scot.

As for being and ABU I'm nothing of the sort. If you think so then clearly know as much about me as you do about footy in general. IMHO ManU play good football and I appeciate them for what they've done for the game. You on the other hand just sound like some ManU zealot with a chip on his should who has pick a fight with anyone who has even the slightest thing to say against ManU and their players.

marct · 22-09-2003 11:15am

Originally posted by KdjaC
Unfortunatley hes the best player to ever come from ireland and he the best by a long way even tho hes a wanker (he is from Cork)
kdjac [/B]

What the HELL has coming from Cork got to do with it. This board is'nt only populated by Dubs ya know:mad: Ye didnt care what county he was from during the Portugal qualifier when he dragged us through almost single- handedly. That has to be one of the most bigoted comments on the soccer board ever!

IgnatiusJRiley · 22-09-2003 11:36am

Originally posted by Oswald Osbourne
Thanks but I don't really want to read your commments on the Keane situation as they are probably just as unilluminated as your stuff on this thread... YADDA YADDA YADDA

Waoh, how eloquent

jank · 22-09-2003 11:57am

Originally posted by KdjaC

Unfortunatley hes the best player to ever come from ireland and he the best by a long way even tho hes a wanker (he is from Cork)
kdjac

what the **** are u on about that he's from cork

he is the best palyer this country has ever produced and u call him a wanker cause he's from cork!!!

there are loads of cork people on this board and they like me will be offended by what u said

open ur eyes dick brain just cause ur a mod doesnt mean u can insult a whole county in one sweeping statement

IgnatiusJRiley · 22-09-2003 12:17pm

Originally posted by jank
what the **** are u on about that he's from cork

he is the best palyer this country has ever produced and u call him a wanker cause he's from cork!!!

there are loads of cork people on this board and they like me will be offended by what u said

open ur eyes dick brain just cause ur a mod doesnt mean u can insult a whole county in one sweeping statement

I agree. What he said was insulting... true tho

p.pete · 22-09-2003 12:32pm

It would be cool if he came back for the Swiss match and played a stormer but what would happen if he turned up and played crap?

As far as he is concerned he has retired and I don't think the decision should be changed. If there is one thing that would make his mind more certain it would be Jack and Pat trying to gang up on him, not a chance that they will get inside his head.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 22-09-2003 12:46pm

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Benbaz · 22-09-2003 2:58pm

I'd love Keane to come back for the Swiss game but unfortunately I really can't see it happening!
But what Big Jack has done is to start the ball rolling once again on this issue. And mark my words, I'd put money on Keane being on the Dunphy show the week before the Swiss game, and I'm sure he'll be asked then.
I've also no doubt that over the next couple of weeks, with continued pressure from the press Kerr will be asking Keane to play. A lot of people might scoff at that idea but at the end of the day Kerr's job is to put out the best team that he can and an Irish team with Keane in it is considerably better than one without him! And some people might think that it's just too crazy for him to come back, but what would you of said to someone last year before the world cup started that suggested that Keane would walk out on the Irish squad?? You would of thought that they were absolutely barking!! Watch this space!!!!

Benbaz · 22-09-2003 4:31pm

THE RULES - Outbursts of personal abuse/racism etc, be it directed at other board members or at Sports people will not be tolerated (unless its against David Beckham, in that case fire away!) We reserve the right to edit/move/delete such posts as we see fit.

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
Just to reiterate...

This is becoming an issue on this forum and anybody found to be breaking above rule will risk a banning.

Quite Ironic that, when there's a thread entitled

"i F**king hate that Horseface"

Guy:Incognito · 22-09-2003 5:29pm

Roy Keane should be left alone to enjoy the last couple of years in football playing for a team whose supporters wont boo him if he plays, y shud he come bac to play for ireland after all the idiots who have given him abuse, especially the disgracfull w***ers who booed him at the special olympics

Guy:Incognito · 22-09-2003 5:31pm

Originally posted by p.pete
It would be cool if he came back for the Swiss match and played a stormer but what would happen if he turned up and played crap?

.

I dont think that is an issue, he has never given less than 100% for Ireland and i cant remember him having a bad day

Guy:Incognito · 22-09-2003 5:35pm

Originally posted by Oswald Osbourne

Either way, no matter how you look at it Keane turned his back on the team a year ago and for me that is enough to never want him back.

I have to really strongley disagree witht that he was sent home by a second rate manager who was afraid wen soeone who knows infinately more about football than himstood up 2 is incompetance. End of the day we were only in the world cup because fo him and anyone with any football knowledge wouldnt dispute that.

jesus_thats_gre · 22-09-2003 5:51pm

Originally posted by Stekelly
I have to really strongley disagree witht that he was sent home by a second rate manager who was afraid wen soeone who knows infinately more about football than himstood up 2 is incompetance. End of the day we were only in the world cup because fo him and anyone with any football knowledge wouldnt dispute that.

To suggest Keane know infinately more that Mick McCarthy is a bit rich..... Keane was sent home cause was home because he was being a silly boy, and deservedly so...

The only effect Keane coming back would have on the team is a negative one. It would create a media circus and the effect of this would be to distract the team.. It would also effect the overall morale of the team and subtract from the achievement of actually qualifying (thats if they do) as thes squad minus Keane would think they need him to be in anyway successful.

If they do it without Keane, which is very possible, they will be in a better position to go on a do better and there will be no lingering questions wondering if they would have been able to do it without him... The same applies if they dont qualify... They need to learn it the hard way and know that responsibility for it lies with them.. McCarthy is already being used as a scapegoat, no need to involve Keane in it too.

Raskolnikov · 23-09-2003 1:17am

Originally posted by Benbaz
Quite Ironic that, when there's a thread entitled

"i F**king hate that Horseface"

Agreed, apologise Kdjac.

smiaras · 24-09-2003 11:28pm

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Oswald Osbourne · 27-09-2003 10:39pm

Originally posted by smiaras
Is it just me or did Charlton's slot on the Late Late make you cringe. The poor guy was still going on about how the long ball is the best tactic in the world and the plank sitting beside him agreeing with everything he said.

Absolutely. Charlton came up with his playbook in the mid 1970's and made a career out changing pretty much none of it for the following 20 years.

By the time he was replaced as Ireland manager in 1996 his tactics had become completely obsolete (due in main IMHO to the abolision of the backpass rule). His unwillingness to adapt to the modern game was his downfall and it seems (almost a decade on now) that he's still living in a world where the 'put em under pressure' gameplan is still viable.

Mussels · 29-09-2003 1:48pm

Originally posted by KdjaC

He is a wanker (he is from cork ) .......

way even tho hes a wanker (he is from Cork)
kdjac [/B]

What exactly is your problem with people from Cork? Obviously it must be a strongly held view because you felt the need to say it twice...

The Muppet · 29-09-2003 6:52pm

Yeah Leave Roy alone, After all its not his fault he's from Cork,

Jack Charlton - Roy Keane

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