Audioslave -V- Rage

gucci

i dont know if this arguement came up before but what does everyone think of audioslave compared to Rage against the machine. Personally i loved rage,zach was incredible on the lyrics and i remained very cautious of audioslave as a quick money making venture for the rest of the band(who are incredibly talented,i mean morello must be top 5 guitarists ever,yes-no?)

anyway i seen audioslut in concert in point in june and my opinion swung,man it rocked!really enjoyed it.so i like them....but there still not rage...so whats wrong with me,have i gone soft????

opinions please,on audioslave/RATM not on my softness!!

feylya

Originally posted by gucci
morello must be top 5 guitarists ever,yes-no?)

No. And I prefer Audioslave.

Doctor J

Wait until Audioslave have 3 or 4 albums done, then worry about it. RATM released the same album 3 times (excluding the cover album) pretty much. They all sounded largely the same. Audioslave sound like RATM with the guy from Soundgarden singing, there isn't that much more variety in the music since the days of RATM. I mean, realistically, you could have Zack De La Rocha rapping over the Audioslave riffs and it'd sound like RATM. Morello's a pretty poor guitarist, technically, though he does some interesting stuff with effects, but he's been riding that one-trick pony since 1992. I wish he'd do something new.

I vote for Soundgarden.

SouperComputer

Rage and SG much better. Audioslave just sounds like recycled Zepplin.

Antisocialiser

Cant even believe its a debate. Ratm were the best band ever - every member is class at their instrument. Tom IS top 5 at guitar ever, he makes more interesting sounds than any1 ever did including hendrix. Unreal riffs and and lyrics - most influential band i have ever herd.

They all sounded largely the same.

**** up


"A good song should make you wanna tap your foot and get with your girl. A great song should destroy cops and set fire to the suburbs. I'm only interested in writing great songs."
Tom

So Funkeh

gucci

legendary quote man! tom is class,brad wilk too-even if its just for those crazy tatooed arms!!
i just regret the fact that it was audioslut and not rage i seen in the point!
did they ever play in ireland?

Antisocialiser

Timmy C's tats rule.

I know they played in antrim forum near where i live and i herd they played a couple more. A friend of a friend saw them and says zack goes " i was walking about belfast today and noticed a lot of oppressive forces around. If any of these cops give you **** just blow the ****ers away" deadly. Started a riot and got banned from playin northern ireland- so my mate says mightened be too accurate :P

But you just have to watch a live video to cream them. The whole crowd bouncing and goin ****in crazy for freedom

bombidol

Rage's sound progressed a lot in those 3 albums. they went from basic guitar riffs and solid songs in RATM to more complicated and dynamic in Battle of LA. They said themselves that the pressure was on for thier first album so they kinda rushed it.

Doctor J

Originally posted by Antisocialiser
Tom IS top 5 at guitar ever, he makes more interesting sounds than any1 ever did including hendrix.

Tom Morello just isn't in Hendrix's league at all. He was in a good band, but don't let that confuse you. He's a decent guitarist at best, but nowhere near being classed as being any better than Billy Corgan or Thuston Moore. Vernon Reid is a hugely better guitar player technically and also opened the door for the likes of Morello to walk through. Don't confuse how much you like a band with the ability of the guitar player. Kurt Cobain was in a great band but he was an average guitar player at best, and I'm being generous here. Without Hendrix, there would be no Tom Morello and he did it all 25 years before the Digitech Whammy pedal too. Hendrix changed the way EVERYONE played, Morello's a slack fingered freak compared to him. Here's the real Tom Morello

Doctor J

Originally posted by gucci

did they ever play in ireland?

Yup, saw em in the Tivoli in 93.

Civilian_Target

If you ask me, Audioslave will go through the charts, but RATM will be remembered, they were something original, that Audioslave just aren't

Civilian Target

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

*ahem*

Rage AGAINST THE MACHINE is the name of the group you are referring to..

if you have to shorten it use RATM at least...


Rage are a pretty decent european power metal band that should not be confused with american rap/metal.

gucci

yeah seen those photoes of tom before,the man did go to HARVARD university i think,he did law or humanitarian studies so you can see where he gets inspiration for most of the rage stuff!

i dunno man i rally like the way he plays,and i never claimed he was better than jimi hendrix,but i dunno bout billy corgan being better than morello,i find rage stuff a hell of a lot harder to play then smashing pumpkins stuff.
also feel that their new bands(ie. audioslut and zwan) morello comesout way on top,didnt like zwan at all,maybe billy will go solo,so that could be better.

audioslave are way more chart friendly,but who cares??real music fans listen to what they llike!!
0h and battle of los angeles is an unreal album,prob beter than their 1st album,but you gotta love that to for the rawness of it all

Antisocialiser

He was in a good band, but don't let that confuse you.

The band was made up of 4 BRILLIANT MUSICIANS which made it great.
When hendrix was playin he was original and made use of things professional recorded musicians tried to get rid of like feedback etc and was a great guitarist no denying but so much had been done when tom took the guitar up that there wasnt much else to do to get new sounds but use effects pedals and thats not all he does. He can solo with the best of them when he needs to i.e know you enemy which reminds me of the absolutely original technique he made up using one pickup at 10 and the other at 0. Then hittin the notes down with right hand and toggling between pickups to produce the stutter effect pure genius! Tom is the man SO fuNk uP!

nesthead

this is so dumb

Audioslave are ****
RATM are brilliant
Tom Morrello is a **** guitarist. he said in some magazine that he practices 8 hours a day, if he did he would be the best guitarist in the world. if i practised 8 hours a day for a month id be as good as him and i dont even play guitar ffs

Doctor J

Originally posted by Antisocialiser
The band was made up of 4 BRILLIANT MUSICIANS which made it great.

Jaysus, Gary Moore was doing that one pickup off, one pickup on thing many, many years ago. Anyone who's played a Les Paul will have done it at some stage, guaranteed. That is anything but a new technique. His solos are competent, but far, far away from being great. Morello would be nothing without his bank of effects, Hendrix sounded like Hendrix, through any amp, effects or no effects, on any guitar and that, friends, is the sign of a great guitar player.

In fact, I think Nigel Tufnel does the pickup off toggle switch thing in the Spinal Tap movie.

Tim Comerford and Brad Wilk ain't exactly "brilliant" either... Geezer Butler and Bill Ward, yes... John Paul Jones and John Bonham, yes... Billy Cox and Mitch Mitchell, yes... Roger Glover and Ian Paice, yes... I won't even start on some of the of the jazz and Motown rhythm sections who could justifiabl be classified as brilliant,

Tim and Brad are decent players but they're not worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as Geezer and Bill.

Don't get me wrong, RATM were a really good band, and that was/is their strength, but as individual players they are little better than some of the kids you'd hear in musicmaker on a Saturday afternoon.

Giblet

Tom Morello is good at making funny sounds, that is all.
His power riffs are overused, and all sound very similar.

gucci

im gonna keep defending RATM even though im running out of ideas....please dont belittle me...i used to think i was great being able to play a few of their songs....by blasting morellos sounds your also burying me such a heavy kick in the nuts....will i just burn my guitar??!?Hendrix is just way to hard....although voodoo chile isnt too bad

Doctor J

Don't worry about it. Once you can play RATM stuff, just move onto harder stuff. Check out Hendrix, Richie Blackmore, Tony Iommi etc....

bombidol

I dunno, Hendrix was one of the best guitarists alive. that was his deal, the dude slept with his guitar and played it literally all day. Morello is a savage guitarist by any standard. with a lot of guitarists playing the same kinda stuff in a similar way morrello was great at producing crazy sounds and riffs, that made him stand out. if he was playing regular power chords or solos he would just be a good guitarist instead of a innovator and experimentalist.

gucci

Originally posted by bombidol
I dunno, Hendrix was one of the best guitarists alive. that was his deal, the dude slept with his guitar and played it literally all day.

unfortunately my guitar is one of the better looking things iv slept with

Doctor J

I think that's a little more information than any of us need

gucci

come on we are all friends!but seen as it is around lunch time,i dont think ill go into any more detail at the risk of making all your keybpards malfunction wit puke

Doctor J

You're most generous.

Dredz

Rage rage rage rage... etc etc.


My favourite band, was extremely disappointed when Audioslave's debut came out.

Earthhorse

I find it ironic that people are criticising Morello for using FX pedals and praising Jimi Hendrix when he himself was looked down on by many folk guitarists who regarded electric guitars and amps as nothing more than cover ups for a lack of real playing ability. There’s no reason why a guitarist shouldn’t use all the tools at his disposal in order to express himself and Hendrix, it’s easy to imagine, would happily have embraced some of the tech around today.

Personally I think it’s more remarkable when a guitarist manages to write a great song with the FX pedal on. Most guitars just sound fuzzy and loud when they’re played through an effect and you only have to look to nu-metal to see how boring the results can often be.

Technical ability doesn’t come into it either for me. There are plenty of technical things you can do on guitar which are simultaneously pointless and dull.

An artist should be judged on their body of work. The first Rage Against the Machine album is alive with energy and riddled with classic riffs. Unfortunately it goes downhill from there. There are one or two great moments on Evil Empire and the third album sounds better on average but also like it’s visiting old territory. Hopefully Morello will be able to expand his range and reach the great heights he set with that debut. But if you hadn’t guessed, Rage Against the Machine were better than Audioslave.

dotus

I agree that a musician should be measured on their catalogue rather than anything they can do on the spot, and based on this Tom Morello is a good guitarist. But having said that, he is NOT a great guitarist...he ain't a Joe Satriani or John Petrucci or Jimi Hendrix. He IS a solid guitarist, the kind that will allways put on a good show and get the crowd jumpin' - some mentioned that "he can solo with the best of them" - no offence but this guy needs to have his head checked! If Tom Morrello's soloing ability was compared to say, tying his shoe laces, old Tom wouldn't be walking very far & would have very scaby knees by now. Let's face it, technically speaking he is NOT that good, in fact, he is NOT a good soloist or technical guitarist - I think that is where some of us are missing the point. He is what he is - a guitarist in a band, an entertainer, an icon to some, a role model for others, a beginner guitarist's goal maybe & many other things I could mention. He has been and is graced with being a member of a good solid band & that is where he shines...as an intricate part or inner working rather than a obvious shining light. Take Jerry Cantrell for example...he is not a great guitarist but nevertheless wrote some incredible music with Alice In Chains. The same can be said about about several others...to finish, I think that every body will allways disagree with something that somebody believes...that's life, we're all into our own things and that IS great. If someone likes to think that Tom Morello is the greatest f**kin' thing since the sliced bread, so be it - if it makes them happy that's more important than the fact...P.S: RATM & Audioslave both rock. And that Soundgarden guy's name is Chris Cornell whom I think is one the greatest rock vocalists since rock reared it's head.
:mad:

gucci

yeah agreed chris cornell has an amazing voice,its sounds perfect for the band....even though i rather zach's style more...but maybe its progression for the band,maybe its just an money making exercise....who cares?
but i LOVE toms guitaring(is that a word?) and im great cos i can play his stuff!!! have to go now...need to pat myself on the back

dotus

Happy patting!

Fobia

Morrellos alright and Hendrix WAS great but the best guitarist in the world in my humble opinion has to be Joe Satriani, get his best album Flying in a blue dream and you'll agree with me IMMEDIATELY

dotus

I'd agree with that...