Is Cadburys owned by Coke?

Johnmb

Originally posted by magick
yes but at least its a stand, no matter how small it is.

A stand for what though? One question I didn't hear or see anybody ask during the run-up to the vote was, "What exactly do you expect Coca-Cola to do?" They're caught up in the middle, what can they do? Pull out? I'm sure the people who rely on Coke to pay them would really thank the Irish for causing them to lose their jobs. What other options do Coke have? Big doors and gates to try and keep out the paramilitaries are already there, what else can be done?

SkepticOne

There were allegations that the management of Coca Cola were in collusion with the right-wing paramilitaries. Coca Cola, naturally, vehemently deny this.

Johnmb

Originally posted by SkepticOne
There were allegations that the management of Coca Cola were in collusion with the right-wing paramilitaries. Coca Cola, naturally, vehemently deny this.

Surely, if people want to start threatening jobs in other countries they should have more than mere allegations. There is a war going on down there, and a google search shows claims of hundreds of members of that union being killed in the last decade. Only a handfull were killed on Coke's premises, and the last one so killed appears to have been a long time ago, plus he was a high ranking member of the union. The right wing paramilitaries have killed a lot more people that have nothing to do with Coke, so why should we believe that when they kill someone who does have something to do with Coke its due to collusion?

ur mentor

old saying 'box to ur weight'
If we really want to stop coke poisoning columbian workers (was that proven?)will stopping the sale of coke in some outlets in Ireland help?
letter campaign to media, coke sharehlders, board members etc more likely to have an impact on people in charge of quality control, operations, production, health and safety.
On a financial level, Coke is in some many places- pension funds, the banks we deal with lend them money and borrow from them. coke concentrate is one of Irelands biggest exports. so it knocks onto balance of payments, exchange rates, taxes, transport fleets and companies etc.

ixoy

Originally posted by Sparks
Ioxy, from the point of view of someone that's been in TCD as a student and as a postgrad, there's a simple reason why there's such apathy towards the SU - you never got anything done.

Remember eight years ago, when a female student was raped on campus and there was a huge cry for more security guards on duty? And the college looked at getting more CCTV cameras? The SU held this large vote - do you want cameras or guards. The student body overwhelmingly voted for guards (on the basis that a rape prevented is better than a rape recorded on VCR), and there was high turnout because this was something that affected us, directly and nastily.

What happened?

The SU went to college with the results, and the college bought cameras instead of hiring guards.

So why bother wasting time on the SU if you couldn't even get in guards to stop on-campus rapes?

And that was the attitude of every woman and most of the men in my year, both in my class and out of it.

I actually don't remember that because I was still in school at that point! And I agree the SU were powerless and I used to find the meetings somewhat pointless. The reason I was in the SU was because I was a class rep and I became a class rep so I could try and look out for my class in terms of stuff that was relevant to them, like project deadlines (and I did this).

You've highlighted a very salient point about the SU! They're perceived as doing nothing, so therefore the apathy sets in and people ignore an issue when it comes, suddenly to find they've no coke/Nestlé/whatever. They might be irked but to reverse the decision involves too much hassle when they've got other stuff to worry about (work and socialising, I imagine, taking a higher priority in most people's lives). They also distance themselves from their "electorate" at times and focused on their own private agendas rather than what the students wanted/desired. I'm sure the students would have been more interested in issues such as greater security/better library/computer facilities rather than gently swatting the Coca Cola behemoth (yes the SU does that too but the big outcry by them, generally, is on issues like these which students find of less relevance. I know, I've been there like many others here).

Syth

One reason coke might sue is becasue of the SU shops being in a sponsorship deal with coke, and to pull out would break the contract, and there's the yes campaign using coke's logo. The only way the SU shop mightn't get sued is if coke see it as a bad PR move.

Yeah there is lots that the SU should be dealing with, like the ridiculus computer network! It' sdown at least once a week.

But if there was going to be another referendum to overturn it, I'd say that there is enough people to spearhead the bring back coke campaign to make the SU take it to the students. There was a really low turn out for this one. only 3,000 (that's ~ 15%).

ixoy

Originally posted by Syth
There was a really low turn out for this one. only 3,000 (that's ~ 15%).

I knew there'd be a low turn out! :rolleyes: *kicks students*