Can I talk about Quake for a change, or Q3Test to be precise.

mewso · 25-08-1999 9:57am #1

Just playing Q3test last night and I suddenly realised it's bleedin Quake2 all over again. I mean ffs.
2 games on from the original and Quake remains the more exciting, fast moving and controllable game. Controllable? LEts just say in Q3test you spend loads of time jumping around firing and missing. The amount of times you're just firing like a lunatic and hitting abything but the enemy is very annoying. The ease of movement just doesn't seem to be there at all.
Sad to say it but I think I'll still be playing Quake this time next year.

M

Kali · 25-08-1999 10:07am

most of the jumping around and missing is cos jumps are sh1te and rockets are sh1te.
please god let them fix that

*jump*
*land*
*jump*
*land*
*wait*
*wait*
*jump*
*fire*
*land*
<go make a cup of tea>
*explosion*

hehe

Chaos · 25-08-1999 10:19am

its gonna be the exact same as it is now i bet. john c seems to like his slow rocks and other crap stuff. There making q3 the way they want it too be not how the public want it. thus its gonna be crap.... ut will probably be good but id say q1 will be around for a bit yet

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DK 0wns U

Kali · 25-08-1999 10:28am

well if they get a friggin AVP ded. server executable out...

Helv · 25-08-1999 10:36am

Its that bad???????? Oh dear. I had me hopes pinned on this one since Q2 was sooooo crappy

shank · 25-08-1999 11:09am

Yep the more I play Q3 the less I like it, I think this time 5 months most of us will be playing UT. So bizzarely enough I think UT will be the game to unite the quake 1 and 2 gamers

.

Also you can easily alter the amount of air control that is allowed on each server in UT.

shank@quake.ie
news.quake.ie

ButcherOfNog · 25-08-1999 11:41am

mmmmmmm the reason yer missing with rockets is that they move slower than qw. its more for close in work. use the rail for long range fights. i dunno, i enjoy all 3, qw, q2 & q3. i must b some sortof freak

ButcherOfNog · 25-08-1999 11:44am

.. and the reason u couldn't hit me last nite was because i was using the little known "dodging" manoveur

creative · 25-08-1999 11:58am

Some of the really good players out there have just dropped their respective Quakes to play Q3 and in effect taking the *****out the competition. One case in particular that comes to mind was Clan Abuse leaving the OGL and Q2 in general. They were the team to beat in the states ( and most of the world ...they never did meet MM though....we'll never now who was the best)....now there is no challenge.

And in the name of what?....certainly not because it is a better game...NO!! Of all the reviews I have read nobody has come out and said this is the game that puts Q1 and Q2 to shame or even that its mildly better. All people have done is compare it to the other Quakes. Why bother making a new Quake?certainly not because Q2 is played out, I cant comment on Q1.

It seems ID like most self respecting companies are all about money......cant blame em. They created Q1....WOW...hit the nail right on the head with that and all who played loved. Couple of years later the bring out Q2, IMO ..WOW...some of you Q1er's say this was crap....but what they did was make a new game....well more a new game than sequel at least. Everything was different!!!
People got into heated debates over Q1 sux according to Q2's and vice versa. That was because both groups of people were well into their respective games and LOVED them. Which would I think lead one to conclude ...they are both great games.

Which brings me to Q3A ....
If Q1 was John Wayne Western and Q2 was a
Clint East Western then Q3 is the Wild Wild West.....s***e!!!
What are they trying to do with this cheap immatation of it's predesessors all rolled into one? The sounds are crap, its sound like Street Fighter or Mortal Combat.....Chaos was right...John C. should be more in tune with the quakers opinions. This 2 strafes then pause lark is daft...ruines the momentum of the game. I have no idea how teamplay will work with almost instant weapon spawn....wtf are you supposed to control? Maybe there is some new feature to teamplay we wont see untill the full release. Can you drop waepoons or is there gonna be packs or wha?..anyone? And whats with this beep when you hit someone....sounds like the "you have mail" beep to me. I always know when someone in Q2 and how hurt they are as a result.

To me there are only a couple of pluses to Q3. One ...the crosshair is accurate....even when you're firing over a ledge at a steep angle...if you aim a the guy below...you hit him and not the ledge. These are hardly state of the art technological advances and could easily have been sorted out in either of the other Quakes ages ago. It might also bring all the quake player together. My other plus is a hope there will be good new levels. I know these are test levels...they'd wanna be they're arse.

ID pay Thresh to play the new game ...this drags away some of the top players..from the other quakes seeking to beat him and make some money. Nothing to do with the quality of the game. This has a domino effect..as players see the players they looked up to leaving and going Q3wise. All the time weekening Q1 and Q2 standards....and for what ?....COMMERCIALISM!!....nothing to do with game play or game advancement.

Q3 is plastic!!!

Don't belive the hype....play the game you love.

All IMHO!!!

Chaos · 25-08-1999 1:04pm

FACT!
its gonna sell like hot cakes anyway since its called quake.. so why would they care how it plays?

www.gibworld.com/chaos
DK 0wns U

ButcherOfNog · 25-08-1999 1:27pm

ack creative

there are diff modes for servers, ffa has the 5sec spawns. have u not tried out the tp q3t server running on ign? less weapons in it and they have 30sec spawn. the ffa mode in q3t is much better than weap stay on.

the jump jump wait thing is annoying. some of the sounds are crap, but this is still the test, and quite a few of these may be placeholders.

people are judging this as q3arena, when they should know better. it isn't, its a test.

slamming id for Commercialism is very poor form, considering the amount of support and openness of the various quakes they've produced. how many software houses would be producing patches and updates for a game like quake, when was the final qw patch? and how old was quake1 when it was released? and how much were we charged for the "quakeworld" add-on for quake? quakeworld was one hellofa freebee by a "commercial" software house. for q2 look at the point release and CTF, both major development tasks and both released by id for free.

how about the way the source code is quickly released to the public domain to allow anyone to produce total conversions? this is what has made quake what it is, a major online phenomenon.

q3test is currently fun, but its not a full game so how can you expect to use it and judge it as such?

[This message has been edited by ButcherOfNog (edited 25-08-99).]

jArgHA · 25-08-1999 1:32pm

This is one of the most intelligent posts I've read in a long loonnnggg time. I haven't played the test so frankly am too boring to be of any interest. Couldn't be bovrilled downloading a 30+Mb file for hours on end so I'll wait for the official demo release.

Slan,
jAH

Chaos · 25-08-1999 1:42pm

Were judging the demo by its weapons and how it feels. When the proper game comes i can guarantee you it will be more or less the same. They have given no indication that they are going to change the player movement or even make the weaps a bit different. They realesed the test so they could get feed back from people on how they liked it and they seem to like the feedbaq they got and more then likely wont change much if they even change anything.
Whatcha see is what your gonna get... except for the other guns added in and some bots.
hurray

www.gibworld.com/chaos
DK 0wns U

mewso · 25-08-1999 2:07pm

The important thing here, I think, is that Quake has been forgotten by everyone except those who play it. A perfect example is the latest PCZone which has a "Hoe To.." on DM and the games covered are....Quake2, Half-Life and HL TFC. They are also running a games competition involving Q2 as the main FPS. The upshot of this is that new players won't go backwards when they can play the latest games, games that are easier to setup and play on the internet. Therefore most of the feedback to JC will be from Q2/HL players who will like alot of what they see. Gameplay wise they won't even know what it's like to get a serious buzz playing a game, the pure exhilaration of original Quake. Our voices are probably not being heard when it comes to Q3test.
Finally PCZone (out today folks) has a review of UT and their final word on it is.. "Q3 better be good". Well it 'aint looking good.

M

Lucutus · 25-08-1999 2:09pm

As a certain evil doctor once said....

...Shít.

Lucutus of Borg

ButcherOfNog · 25-08-1999 2:28pm

na, an awfull lot of q2 players are complaining about it too

the ukccl has 128 q2 clans in it with a waiting list for entry. therefore uk guides are aimed at q2. the number of new q2 clans popping up in the uk and the number of newbies coming online and playing it is amazing. qw is now a cult, as no doubt q2 will become in a year or 2.

q3t, i think it'll be good, i never thought it would make the qw community happy, as all they want is more qw. it now seems that quite a large section of the q2 community are the same, all they want is more q2. i'll reserve judgement on UT until i've played it online.

as for chaos thinging that q3t is basically it, na, don't think so

Chaos · 25-08-1999 2:50pm

Well see................

www.gibworld.com/chaos
DK 0wns U

creative · 25-08-1999 3:18pm

Ref. Butcher...

I am acutely aware of how fab ID have been have been in the past for allowing player to customize quake to suite themselves and create mods and how the have released patches after patches after patches. I agree it is one of the major factors contributing to QX being hugely successful.

HOWEVER........
This is simply conducting good business practices. Because no other ( almost no other) gaming provides the same services, it does not mean that bad service is the standard and because ID provides a little bit more that they are above the industry standard. It simply means that ID is living up to "a" standard and everybody else is far below it. ( I hope yee could follow that I barely did).
"Slamming ID" for commercialism ....hmmm there a company...whose primary goal like all other companies is to make money.....if I were John C. I’d do the same. What I am slamming is the state of the product they are about to release. They sat down and thought to themselves.....how can we make more money......."I know lets try and get all the QWer's and Q2er's to play the same game", take a few properties from each game jell them all together with fog, rounded corners, and player model that run around like puppets on strings......viola Quake III Arena!!!! Unless Q3 undergoes some major changes.....sounds.....atmosphere....less of the Toy Story look about it.....then the only possible reason for success will be that of marketing and living off the name of Quake/Quakeworld and Quake II.

On the other hand ...I think you're dead right about QW being a cult and Q2 heading that way....and I look forward to it!

TwoShedsJackson · 25-08-1999 3:23pm

Thank God Carmack has decided to get rid of this '3 different classes' idea in Q3, cos that was one of the naffest ideas of all time. Personally I think Q3test is ok, but I'm definitely not too excited about it. UT is looking better so far, but I've yet to play it cos that ho junKie hasn't come through with my evaluation copy yet

I've only played q3test up to 1.06 cos I frankly couldnt be ar$ed downloading 35 megs plus every two weeks. I wonder what ID's reasons for not putting it on cover disks are? Every other patch, version, and upgrade gets put on PC Gamer each month, so why not stick that on it too, we havent all got 2 Meg leased lines or college connects to download the bugger.

Shinji · 25-08-1999 3:27pm

I'm not fond of q3 myself... But I think the Q1 people accusing Carmack of "getting it wrong" because it isn't Q1 all over again is a bit rich. I mean... why should someone selling to a huge global market honestly care that much about a small dwindling group of people who play a version of the 6 year old original game, so mangled that it's now ugly beyond recognition?

Hmm. As a games developer, making Q3 to suit the wishes of the Q1 community would be commercial suicide.

Ja,
Rob

creative · 25-08-1999 3:31pm

If I were a Q1 player shinji...I did be cut out of ya for comments like that...highly offensive.

enter Q1 players.......

Chaos · 25-08-1999 4:00pm

Shinj
Does the fact that its been played for that long and that its the best multiplayer game ever made not show you that he got it right?
Why fix it if its not broken?
Quake3 will never be as good its FUN but not as good. And its not only q1 ppl who didnt like it either, many q2rs didnt either.
I dunno but do you actually play any of these game?

www.gibworld.com/chaos
DK 0wns U

creative · 25-08-1999 4:19pm

yeah....what do you play?

ButcherOfNog · 25-08-1999 4:28pm

he has/does but never very well

creative · 25-08-1999 4:34pm

ahh!

tHE vAGGABOND · 25-08-1999 5:47pm

Quake is dead, face it, all the top players no longer play it. Quake 3 will do very well, but IHMO UT will be the best FPS shooter of the year.

I kinda agree with shinji, (tho I'm not a quake player

) IMHO, quake is too fast, think of the ****e (newbie) gamer (circa 90% of the games players) you log onto an Irish Quake server only to be greeted by koopa or someone who beats the **** out of you for 20 mins you get ****ed off and log off and go back to Fifa 99 !! Games have to be easy to get into or they wont sell, hence slowing them down. There will be tricks and stuff the more the game is played (rocket jumping in quake for example took a while to come to the surface, skiing in tribes was basically an accident ffs and only was realy discovered 6 odd months after the game came out in the US)

Personally I think the quake consept is a bit old, you need to spice it up a bit. Carmack is trying to do just that in Q3A, focusing on the internet DM side of things.

Personally I think tribes spiced it up very well. I remember hearing quake lads saying tribes was too slow, but the good players can move even the heavy armour at speeds far quicker than anything in quake 1 or 2. I also think the quake community is too rapped up in keeping the games vanilla. We have a full scrpiting engine, put in by the developers, so everyone can do scripts for almost anything. Fully supported and accepted by everyone. ALso OpenGL now works nicely, all the maps and **** are server side, and huds and scripts are easy to use and are all like 10k downloads. But I know some of you disagree. Everyone cant be perfect

I also agree with shank saying UT is gonna rock, we will all be playing it, it is the best beta Ive played in ages. ALso less than a year now to Tribes 2 Hmmmmmmmmmm

SheroN · 25-08-1999 5:57pm

Quake3 is Faeg
UT is Fab
End of....

mobius · 25-08-1999 6:00pm

Ah come on ffs!
We have to move on. Can't we make a Q3 mod with all the Q1 weapons, levels and timings?
It's always hard to get used to a new game, just give it a chance before you go dumping all over it.
Frankly, I'm sick of the crap blocky graphics of Q1, not to mention the 11Khz sound I get in GLQuake.
I agree tho, that Quake1 has a special feel that's hard to match, but a few server-side tweaks should sort that out, eh?

C'mon admins, get crackin' with some hackin'.

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Helv · 25-08-1999 6:25pm

Why are ppl saying that ut is going to **** on q3a? A fooking demo hasnt been released yet. (Or has it???? If so tell me where).

mobius · 25-08-1999 6:31pm

Tell me something....
Will UT be freely available to those who bought the original Unreal?
It Fu<king better be!

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H_K · 25-08-1999 6:40pm

vAGGA - that points crap about new ppl who will go back to FIFA99. If
they do that bad and dont wanna get good who wants to play them anyway ?
not me anyway. i started playin q1 cos i loved it and went and found out
all about it. if theyre makin q3 for sad ppl with no intelligence and
interest in learning things for themselves its kinda sellin out.
they do deserve a chance allrite, but so do the old skool players.
actually from what ive seen Tribes did this fairly well.

Also on this Q3 issue, i cant see a fukkin thing in it
the crosshair is transparent ffs, the surroundings dont look like
surroundings and the men blend in with it.i don't have a clue where
my rockets are going cos a)i cant see the crosshair and
b) the bloody smoke trail and c) im getting a headache from all the
colors

muso is right when he says there isnt so much of a buzz.i dunno i
liked it, but i dont, and i do. im playin it for the moment, but i
dont have a clue about nay of these other games like OT.

and about all these new tests ? each time they release a new file for
some new menu or some crap like that - why not just wait a bitr longer
and release a test with many improvements not loads with only a few.

ahh well maybe im annoyed cos i have to play on demon with 500 ping

Pat

Can I talk about Quake for a change, or Q3Test to be precise.

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