Liverpool Vs. Man Utd

kaimera

I dunno...:(

maybe we need a multi billionaire to take over the club...

btw...apparently GH has said Owen will be sold unless he signs a new contract to avoid another McManaman situation.

jesus_thats_gre

I really cant say anything different to what has been said already...

The whole first half involved Liverpool dominating posession and thats all they done.. United did nothing worth mentioning either..

The second half was like a diffent game and was far far more open.

There was little Dudek could have done with first goal. He can only react when the ball goes past the last player, and the last player missed the ball... He was left stranded on the line and flapped a bit... A sloppy but honest goal..

As for the second goal, the defence should cetainly be questioned but questions really have to be asked of Dudek... It may be a bit unfair to criticise him but I cant help but feel he could have done better. Alot better!

It should have been a penalty... Simple

I constantly find myself making excuses for Heskey, but his attempt (or fall..) in the dying minutes made me cry... They say he is comforatable with crosses, is uncomfortable on front of goal, uncomfortable on his left foot... I think he is uncomfortable on his legs.. Period... He needs a third one to help him stay up...

Silvestre made a crucial tackle on Murphy when Murphy was one on one with Howard..

Kewells goal was the result of some hard work by Pongolle (really is starting to prove himself big time)....

Diouf should possibly have been sent off but was given the benefit of the doubt....

Le Tallec played very well when he came on, Finnan and Traore both had good games too....

An excellent game all in all, a bit of luck/mistake swung it in the end it seems.

Three 2 - 1 losses againt the big three this season now for Liverpool.. Something was deserved in all three, but thats not represented on the league tables... I can hang my head proudly though

cournioni

And people say that van Nistelrooy goes down easily! :rolleyes: He was going down before Ferdinand even made the challenge, and even when the challenge went in there was very little if any contact. The referee made the right decision IMO. Diouf was very lucky to stay on the field too, so you can count yourselves lucky with that decision. Football is football, decisions will be made, others wont. Just get on with it.

Good second half, the first half was one of the worst I've seen yet this season. Everything opened up when United started passing the ball around in the second half and not long hopeless balls like the first half.

talla

good game, Liverpool deserved a draw and I have to admit as a united fan I thought it was a penalty. Pongolle should be given a run of starts for Liverpool, played very well when he came on, he has that spark about him, but I think Houlier is going to persist with Heskey.

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
And people say that van Nistelrooy goes down easily! :rolleyes: He was going down before Ferdinand even made the challenge, and even when the challenge went in there was very little if any contact. The referee made the right decision IMO.

I cant disagree more, it was a clear penalty. It served no purpose to dive as he had already bet the keeper.. The ball lay dead in the box for a while afterwards also. Wy dive, he would have scored anyway.

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Football is football, decisions will be made, others wont. Just get on with it.

Thats the biggest bullshlt statement I have ever heard on these forums.. Coming from a United supporter makes it even more ironic.. Please like, enough of this condescending crap...

The Muppet

Not a bad match, Never a pen IMO as porapster said very little if any contact was made, The pool could have easily got a point with both murphy and heskey missing easy chances. Utd rode their luck at times and have to admit I was relieved when the ref blew for full time. good 3 points for Utd.

kaimera

speaking o VN...scumbag with his dirty handball...:mad:

cournioni

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
I cant disagree more, it was a clear penalty. It served no purpose to dive as he had already bet the keeper.. The ball lay dead in the box for a while afterwards also. Wy dive, he would have scored anyway.





Thats the biggest bullshlt statement I have ever heard on these forums.. Coming from a United supporter makes it even more ironic.. Please like, enough of this condescending crap...

Oh yes, thats right. You are right and I am wrong, my apologies. :rolleyes:

You're looking at it from a Liverpool point of view, I'm looking at it from a United point of view. If you can't put up with that then you are very, very sad my friend.

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Oh yes, thats right. You are right and I am wrong, my apologies. :rolleyes:

You're looking at it from a Liverpool point of view, I'm looking at it from a United point of view. If you can't put up with that then you are very, very sad my friend.

Well you have witnessed numerous United supporters agreeing that it should be a penalty. I have also had an Everton supporter agree, and he hates the pool..

mike65

.....and so another Liverpool Man Utd thread decends into yaa-boo....

Pongolle should deffo start games from now on.


Mike.

cournioni

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
Well you have witnessed numerous United supporters agreeing that it should be a penalty. I have also had an Everton supporter agree, and he hates the pool..

Fair played to them... I don't think it was a penalty.

smuckers

It wasn't a penno it looked it first time but after a second glance right decision. At 1-2 I really thought Pool would get a point how Heskey didn't even hit the target in the final min was shocking but what a challenge by Silvestre on Murphy.

RasTa

Originally posted by smuckers
but what a challenge by Silvestre on Murphy.

Yup tackle of the season so far. Close game i thought we had it in the bag when it was 2-0 up we only had 3 chances in the 2nd half giggs should of had a hat-trick brillant control to hit it on the volley but good save. God i love Heskey

eirebhoy

I don't know how United are doing so well with those four at the back, O'Shea, Silvestre, Ferdinand and Neville. Also playing Quinton Fortune and Phil Neville in midfield, Giggs on the right and Forlan up front. And RVN can't find the net in the premiership anymore. I have to say, if they hadn't got Giggs and Keane they would be f**ked. Seriously, take those two out of the team and they would have the individual class of a mid table team. Its just team spirit and confidence that drives them.

Here was United's midfield last season:

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Scholes

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Giggs

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Keane----Veron

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Beckham

and today:

Fortune

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P.Neville

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Keane

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Giggs.

James Hunt

Don't for that Scholes will be back for the second half of the season. He is worth Gerrard and Murphy combined methinks.
As for Keano, well he is the player of the year in the Premiership so far and Giggs well - he is Giggsy, enough said. They have that extra quality that allows United to function at half speed and still take the points at Anfield.

With a little help from Bruno.

mr_angry

Well, it wasn't the "bore draw" I predicted. At least not from half-time onwards. I thought Liverpool deserved a draw, but they were the architects of their own downfall in a way - Murphy's refusal to volley with his left foot, and Heskey's "Caution Wet Surface" moment at the end. I thought it was probably a penalty, but it was a very tough one to judge - Sinima was stretching, and was already off-balance. Its hard to say whether Ferdinand had an influence, or if he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Doesn't matter now anyway. As I've said before, its not the winning or the taking part that counts - its getting away with it. And United are masters of getting away with it.

At least the 'Pool weren't completely f*cked by the ref like poor Newcastle - Andy O'Brien gives Mutu the slightest of tugs about 6 yards outside the area, and that loser Graham Poll decided to red card him, AND give a penalty. Bring back David Ellary.

James Hunt

Andy O'Brien can't complain about that as he got away with it big time when he pulled down Giggs at James Park.

This match was already over so no biggie really.

jonno

I can't explain how gutted I am that Liverpool didn't get more out of that match.

Fair played to Giggs on an exellent game. Himself and Keane were outstanding today.

I think it was a penalty and I think Graham Poll bottled it as it was a game breaker. Like if Pongolle had dived why was he not yellow carded because he had blatently dived a few minutes before. Ronaldo gets carded for diving. What I'm getting at is, if Poll didn't think it was a foul why didin't he have a word with Pongy fro diving. It leads me to only one conclusion. There was grounds for a peno and he bottled it especially after seeing O'Brein being red carded and conceding a peno for fouling a man outside the box. It defies logic :mad:

Heskey was crap again. Pongy should have started up front. Heskey should be polishing the boots and cutting oranges. At least they don't require any balance on your feet

eirebhoy

Originally posted by mr_angry4
At least the 'Pool weren't completely f*cked by the ref like poor Newcastle - Andy O'Brien gives Mutu the slightest of tugs about 6 yards outside the area, and that loser Graham Poll decided to red card him, AND give a penalty. Bring back David Ellary.

It was the linesman's decision to give a penalty and since O'Brein was the last man back Poll had to give him a red card. Poll didn't do anything wrong, if he hadn't have sent O'Brein off he would have been in big trouble with the FA as its the rules just like a keeper has to get a red card for handling the ball outside the box.

smemon

3 points in the bag, and we've destroyed any hope liverpool had of winning the league.

cracking 2nd half, pongolle again proved he is a much classier player than le tallec, dunno why he doesnt start more. why does GH let a talent like that rot on the bench? he wont improve there. people will say he's not ready, there easing him in...bla..bla.. even as a utd fan i can see that lads got massive potential.

was it a penalty, ive seen them given, wasnt much contact but really it just depends on the ref.

ferdinand and silvestre were magnificent i thought, always nicking in infront of attackers to win balls. keano was class again, looks like the old keane of 2/3 years ago. what a goal that half volley from giggsy would have been had it went in, so close.

utd were comfortable despite liverpool having all the possesion in the 1st half. last 20 mins was pinball, at a frantic pace.

the pool are now 13points off the top, with only 12 games played. a disastrous start to the season. as jesus thats great says, at least they can hold their heads up. keep playing honest attacking football and the rewards will eventually come.

jank

Lucky Man utd is suppose but it balances out eventually as the arse were lucky too

hesky should be droped straight away!!
and to think were going to see him in euro2004 :eek: :eek:

WTF!!!

but how bad from an irish point of view!:D

Kone

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Fair played to them... I don't think it was a penalty.

Oh it was, come on now

Richieh

Originally posted by smemon
pongolle again proved he is a much classier player than le tallec,

As a United fan, I was brickin' it for the last few minutes. Apart from Kewell, he was the only real threat. I think him and Owen would be a class act together. Heskey is just a donkey!!!

James Hunt

as far as the penalty incident goes, I can't see how anyone could say it was a penalty. The guy was at full stretch and fell over in the box under severe pressure - that does not make it a penalty. There was minimal if any contact and just because he falls over doesn't mean it was a penno.

Somebody mentioned something about why Pongolle wasn't booked for diving in that case - simple - he didn't dive. The key point is that he wasn't fouled either - play on.

astrofool

pongolle definitely did not dive, just lost his balance really. The crowd were looking for a penalty more than the players (and pongolle himself) were.

Heskey is a muppet tho, and needs put out of his misery, i'm sure aston villa will take him off your hands for 7mil or something stupid

jesus_thats_gre

I reckon Celtic are gonna pick him up.. Just have a feeling.

Space Coyote

I can see Martin O'Neill offering 10m for his mate Heskey...after all, they need someone to replace Larrson at the end of the season !

smemon

heskey would be a great buy for arsenal, not joking. they need a big brute to hold balls up and get in the box for a few crosses.

heskey is one of the best around at winning headers from kickouts and laying the ball off. very powerful in air from crosses too. no henry but thats the sort of option arsenal need.

he's a donkey and clumsy brick with the ball at his feet but i think alot of his good work goes unnoticed.

johnor

Kanu comes to mind or at least the player kanu could be had he been raised in england...I think heskey would be pants for arsenal. I reckon he is pants for whoever he plays for, I cant see him moving in a hurry tho. Surely liverpool cant buy the type of forward they need to buy with the money they would raise from his sale? Gotta remember liverpool didnt get champ league money this season..even debt cluttered arsenal got that..

john

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by johnor
Kanu comes to mind or at least the player kanu could be had he been raised in england...I think heskey would be pants for arsenal. I reckon he is pants for whoever he plays for, I cant see him moving in a hurry tho. Surely liverpool cant buy the type of forward they need to buy with the money they would raise from his sale? Gotta remember liverpool didnt get champ league money this season..even debt cluttered arsenal got that..

john

Seemingly Liverpool were not hit too bad by the whole not qualifying for the champions league thing.. They are still one of the few profitable clubs in the league.

The Muppet

Surely liverpool cant buy the type of forward they need to buy with the money they would raise from his sale?

Liverpool will have plenty of money in January to replace Heskey, the only problem being it is likely to come from the sale of Owen.
Some intersting quotes from Houlier over the weekend seem to mean he either has to sign very shortly or he will be sold. They can not afford to let him go on a bosman like Mc Manaman Did.

Big Ears

It was so a penalty.i didnt hear many non united fans say it wasnt.

Caesar_Bojangle

Twas rather nice to see forlan run into the fencing

RasTa

I've seen them penos given but also i've seen them not given
Wouldnt say it was a clear cut peno

BKtje

First time i saw the tackle i thought it was a peno but when i saw the replay from behind it seemed like very little contact was made so i dunno. As people have said it wasnt clear cut and they've both been given and not so.

To say liverpool were unlucky not to draw would be true but they were alos unlucky not to be down to 10mens. Diouf got booked then minutes later he tackles late on O'Shea. I dont think it was a booking but as with the Penalty i've seen them given. Today it wasnt and liverpool stayed with 10 men. Liverpool were both lucky and unlucky today.

Also wtf was Dudek doing for that 2nd goal??

p.pete

I saw a lot of parallels between the tackle that got Djiouf a yellow card and the tackle that didn't merit a penalty. Obviously they occured in different parts of the pitch but I don't think both tackles were given the same scrutiny.

cournioni

Originally posted by Caesar_Bojangle
Twas rather nice to see forlan run into the fencing

It was even nicer seeing a dodgy Dudek again!

cournioni

Originally posted by p.pete
I saw a lot of parallels between the tackle that got Djiouf a yellow card and the tackle that didn't merit a penalty. Obviously they occured in different parts of the pitch but I don't think both tackles were given the same scrutiny.

I disagree. There was alot more contact on O'Shea than there was on Pongolle. And it was mistimed. That is the way I see it anyhow. I was furious when I saw Diouf's first tackle going in. I saw it the second time around and it was not so bad but it was mistimed and did deserve a yellow. But the second was borderlining on a harsh straight red, IMO. It was very dangerous.

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I disagree. There was alot more contact on O'Shea than there was on Pongolle. And it was mistimed. That is the way I see it anyhow. I was furious when I saw Diouf's first tackle going in. I saw it the second time around and it was not so bad but it was mistimed and did deserve a yellow. But the second was borderlining on a harsh straight red, IMO. It was very dangerous.

To be honest, the way the rules of the game are set now, he would have gone. I dont know whether the second challenge was intentional or whether O'Shea just kicked a trailling foot after Diouf's half hearted challenge... We have all criticised referees for being too strict this season however so its a pleasent change to see the player getting the benefit of the doubt.. Although, Diouf will have to sort out his discipline problem (6 yellow cards this season is not good at all).

As for penalty, I have seen it about 15 times now in total and I honestly feel the penalty should have been given. It wasnt the most clear cut ever, but there was certainly enough contact to bring the player down at that speed, nor did the defender get any contact on the ball at all....

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
There was alot more contact on O'Shea than there was on Pongolle.

So you are acknowleging there was contact....

cournioni

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
So you are acknowleging there was contact....

No.

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
No.

It pains me to be this picky, but your words were:

There was alot more contact on O'Shea than there was on Pongolle.

For there to have been more contact, you must be drawing a comparison with something. Oh look, you mentioned the challenge in Pongolle.....

I feel som back tracking coming on.

jonno

Not trying to add to the little arguement here but Ferguson said today that he thought it was a peno.

I'm adding to the arguement aren't I

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by jonno
Not trying to add to the little arguement here but Ferguson said today that he thought it was a peno.

I'm adding to the arguement aren't I

[pimp styley]Just the way daddy likes it.. ohhh yeahhhhh [/ping styley]

The Muppet

Not trying to add to the little arguement here but Ferguson said today that he thought it was a peno.

Link ??

LoneGunM@n

At the time I thought, Christ what has that donkey Ferdinand gone & done that for?? [of course there was a lot more cursing involved @ the time ]

But after the watchin' the replays, I'm not so sure that there was enough contact to merit a peno ... but as said before, I've seen them given for less!!

Diouf should definately been red carded!!

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by The Muppet
Link ??

What are you suggesting Muppet? Well I never!!! :ninja:

super_furry

Ferguson - It was a peno

cournioni

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
It pains me to be this picky, but your words were:



For there to have been more contact, you must be drawing a comparison with something. Oh look, you mentioned the challenge in Pongolle.....

I feel som back tracking coming on.

In an earlier post I said "There was little if no contact made".

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
In an earlier post I said "There was little if no contact made".

Well if your own posts conflict with each other, expect people to nit pick.... There was contact and he didnt dive. Only one conclusion to that one...