Question about offside :

Oswald Osbourne

Lets say an attacking player is standing BEHIND the goalline (ie not on the pitch) when the ball is played to him and then comes onto the pitch in (what would normally be) AN OFFSIDE POSITION AFTER the pass is made .... is he still offside?

Someone asked me this question the other day and since I've never seen it happen I couldn't answer for sure. I reckon the player is still offside but what do you guys think?

mike65

I think you're not offside if you stay off pitch but are interfering with play the moment you step on.

edit> Just googled this www.wsoccer.com/history_and_rules/law11.htm

Mike.

The Muppet

A similar scenario happened recently in a prem match and the goal stood. cant remember the match but i,m sure someone else will. By right a player who goes off the pitch of play need permission from the ref to return so it shouldnt happen.

eirebhoy

as said already you can't be offside when your not on the pitch and when a player recieves the ball from a goal kick he is not offside either. And Muppet, you don't expect having to ask the referee to get back on the pitch when you accidently go off.

The Muppet

And Muppet, you don't expect having to ask the referee to get back on the pitch when you accidently go off.

If a player leaves the pitch or re enters the without permission it is a foul and a free kick can be awarded. Of couse common sense prevails and a player accidentally leaving the pitch and coming back imediately goes unpunished but if as in the question asked if the player is standing behind the goalline he definitely needs the refs permission to return to the field of play .

Helix

so how come the guy taking the throwins doesnt have to ask for permission to return to the pitch?

kaimera

Originally posted by Helix
so how come the guy taking the throwins doesnt have to ask for permission to return to the pitch?

that is retarded.

missed the point of what The Muppet was saying. :rolleyes:

Helix

i know what he was saying, i was just being awkward:D

GuanYin

Yup its not allowed. It counts as interfering with play and re-entering the pitch without the referees permission.

It happened about 3 years ago in a Prem match where a player was pushed into the side netting at a corner, the ball went out and was played in, as the ball came forward (along with the keeper and a few othe rplayers) the guy got up and turned the ball into the net. The goal stood and there were many days of nagging.

It also happened in an African International match, I thinkit was for the African Cup qualifiers, the guy was actually being treated behind the goal and got up and ran on to the ball and scored. That stood too. Was on "What happened next" round of a question of sport.

eirebhoy

I seen it happen twice, the first was Dion Dublin (I think) and the other was Robbie Keane last season. There was no complaints at all with the goals.

krinpit

Apart from being a foul, it's blatantly unfair if the goal is allowed to stand.

StickyMcGinty

Originally posted by eireboy
I seen it happen twice, the first was Dion Dublin (I think) and the other was Robbie Keane last season. There was no complaints at all with the goals.

completley different to what the thread is about!! this was a goalkeepers mistake and NOTHING to do with offside

eirebhoy

Originally posted by VinnyL
completley different to what the thread is about!! this was a goalkeepers mistake and NOTHING to do with offside

The whole time i was looking at this thread I thought he meant what I just said. I should be reading the posts properly. :cool:

Villain

If a player leaves the field of player deliberatly without permission he can be cautioned.

I was playing in a game about 3 years ago and I done my ankle in I was in the others teams half so I hobbled off the pitch so I wouldn't get done for offside if the ball cam back over to me. I was booked for leaving the field of play without permission.

In the player leaves the field of play because of his momentum then he is ok. remember you have to be Interfearing with play to be offside.

Big Ears

what happens if u take a throw(in the other teams half) and dont come back into play until the ball comes near u and then u score ?

Villain

if he becoms active I'd imagine he can be blown for offisde, not sure do

Johnny_the_fox

Originally posted by The Muppet
A similar scenario happened recently in a prem match and the goal stood. cant remember the match but i,m sure someone else will.

Crespo' s goal against arsenal...

view an illustration of it here

Villain

He was onside WHEN THE BALL WAS PLAYED.

So thats allowed

The Muppet

Posted By Johnny the fox

Crespo' s goal against arsenal...

Thats The One.

Posted By Irish !

He was onside WHEN THE BALL WAS PLAYED.
So thats allowed

Your missing the point Irish 1. He left the field of play to lace up his boots and returned without getting permission from the ref so the goal should not have been allowed. It should have been a free out.

Villain

Originally posted by The Muppet

Your missing the point Irish 1. He left the field of play to lace up his boots and returned without getting permission from the ref so the goal should not have been allowed. It should have been a free out.

That is a bookable offence doesn't mean the Ref has to stop play and award a free kick.

Checked the question about the throw out with my bro, he's a member of the FAI's school of excellence for ref's.

He said a player that stays off the pitch after a throw and then comes back on to gain an advantage can be cautioned for "Gaining an advantage from being absent from the field of play"

thegills

Irish 1. Ask your bro about these 2 I saw recently;

1) Defender & Attacker are tearing up the line nearing the goal-line. Attacker backheels the ball keeping it on the pitch but momentum takes both of them off the pitch. The attacker is 1st onto his feet and is about to run back to the ball. Before he gets to the pitch the defender hacks him down and he runs out with the ball. No penalty given, yellow card or nothing, play resumed with the attacker in a heap off the pitch

2) Pats v. Longford town. I always thought that to be onside there had to be 2 players between the player and the goal line unless the ball was played backwards or the player was behind the ball when kicked. At the end of the game there was only 2 players it the Pats half, one from each team. Longford broke and the ball was hoofed up the pitch. The attacker scored, was he not offside??

thegills

Villain

I will do gills. In relation to Q2 was the other player the keeper??
Or was the keeper not in his own half??

Ciaran

Longford's goal was offside but wasn't called.

In the first case, the defender should be red carded for a professional foul/stopping a goalscoring opportunity but no penalty/free kick seeing as the foul wasn't on the pitch.

thegills

Irish1.
The Pats keeper went up for a corner but when the ball was cleared made little effort to get back to his goal.

Ciaran,
Is that the rule or an opinion?

thegills

Villain

If only one of the opposing team was behind the player then he was offside.

Ciaran is correct, red or yellow card but no penalty

Ciaran

Originally posted by thegills
Ciaran,
Is that the rule or an opinion?

Well the card would be for the ref to decide I suppose but there's definately no free kick/penalty.