nazi's and ira were to invade northern ireland

miju

Originally posted by gandalf
Well I did get a PM from the-raptor complaining about Reefbreak's so called "**** Stirring". However he negated the whole thing with his blatent personal abuse of Reefbreak.

This is your warning the-raptor I see that from you again and I will ban you outright from here.

I looked thru this thread briefly and unless you consider being called a shinner an insult the only insults I saw were coming from you. Now either put forward your point of view politely or get out of this forum.

Gandalf.

For the record I do actually find the phrase Shinner like you highly offensive.

Also, am I the only one who thinks ReefBreak was purposely trying to antogonise me seriously re-read those comments cant believe i'm the one being singled out here ReefBreak is as much to blame as I am (altough I do admit to a "slight" over reaction)

It's ironic actually how this is pretty similiar to the whole argument me and ReefBreak were having.

Anyway, u the boss of this forum not me so I reluctantly accept your ruling kind sir

ssh

Blacks in the US got equal rights without blowing shopping centre's up on Saturday afternoons. Yeah that kid in Manchester was a real force of the oppression.

I don't condone such things. I really think that falls under (3), wouldn't you?

TomF

No need to go far to learn all there is to know about the Nazi plan to invade Ireland during WWII. It is all laid-out in the Friday Irish Times "Opinion & Analysis" page, (page 18 of the paper for Thursday, November 21st. The article is "Reich to the heart of the Irish question".

daveirl

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bonkey

Originally posted by _raptor_
Also, am I the only one who thinks ReefBreak was purposely trying to antogonise me seriously re-read those comments

If he was, then that was the point in time where you were supposed to hit the "report post" button, and ask a mod to have a look at it.

jc

Redleslie

Originally posted by star gazer
Firstly IMO the germans didn't have control of the seas for surface ships and the bomber screen on the brittish side would have made any naval landing very costly.

I think the plan involved paratroops. They'd probably secure airfields and ports and so on.

secondly IMO Ireland had brought the brittish to their knees in ireland twenty years earlier and Dev really was nuetral and would have become the enemy of either side had they invaded part of our territory and irelnad had experience of guerila warfare, no submissive people here!

It was suggested that weapons should be buried round the country in case of invasion but the army at the time rejected the idea of guerrilla warfare because they thought they'd become proper soldiers. We woulda been hockeyed in about a week. Even the British made preparations for a guerilla war.

I read something a while ago by an IRA guy who was interned during the war and he said there were 3 IRA factions, those who were pro-Hitler, those who were opposed to him and Brendan Behan.

The British poet John Betjeman was a spy in Ireland during the war but the IRA chose not to kill him because they liked his poetry. That's no way to run a subversive organisation.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Redleslie

Well you should be more specific. Nobody goes around accusing Enda Kenny of being a goosestepping blueshirt just because Eoin O'Duffy was.[/B]

Only loosley related to the thread topic, but I read once that the Italian fascists sent a delegation over to Ireland to visit with the blueshirts. They were keen to form allegiances with fellow fascist groups around europe. They had to go back dissapointed, though, with a report that the blueshirts wern't proper fascists.

stuartfanning

All the abuse on this thread has come from _raptor_ The joke is that Boards ie use him as a Moderator. After his behaviour on this thread I hope they will think again.

gandalf

Stuart if you look back on this thread you will see that "raptor" or whatever he calls himself has been reprimanded over his comments publically be the 3 politics mods here. If he steps out of line again he will be banned from here.

As for his suitability as a mod, take that up with the admins and leave this forum for politics discussions.

Gandalf.

Mercury_Tilt

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Atreides

While slightly off topic here, Lets just remember as far as Northern Ireland goes, peacefull opposition to English rule and protestant opression was murdered on bloody sunday. Many people who before would never have considered armed resistance joined the IRA after that even.

daveirl

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Vader

Originally posted by daveirl
I didn't bring it into this realm, I was responding to an earlier poster who clarified their comments.

Actually I would think that a lot of the armed resistance is wrong. I don't think you can justify shooting at DHL planes can you? Black Hawks yes, the UN no.

Look if you reply I'm not going to bother getting into another flame war with you. You believe there can be justification for this or this. I say no way, not ever can there be justification. We disagree.

An age old arguement. One can support the IRA's campaign and still be deeply upset at the loss of innocent lives. In war there are mistakes made by both sides, the Brits also killed innocent and unarmed ppl, yet judging from this thread a lot of ppl can say that "Sure it wasnt as if they meant to" or the more extreme "The end justifies the means".
I believe the troubles were a direct result of the injustice been done to catholics and the British refusal to deal with it. Ireland has more examples of peaceful political action than insurections, but the Brits never wanted to talk.

There are parts of the IRA campaign that were terrible but on the whole they acted in a manner far superior morally to the loyalists and not to far off par with the Brits. The B Specials, RUC, internment, Tatcher and Paisley all weakening the Brits position.

Vader

Originally posted by daveirl
Blacks in the US got equal rights without blowing shopping centre's up on Saturday afternoons. Yeah that kid in Manchester was a real force of the oppression.

God that stupid. Blacks rioted plenty of times and were quite violent in places but thats not important. The civil was, or so so many americans say, was fought over equality for blacks. A hundred years later and still no equality the blacks get angry, so the gov decides to make a few legislative changes to avoid a full scale war. Theres a key difference, the Brits were unwilling to negotiate with nationalists.
But even after these new laws, blacks arnt equal to whites in america today. They dissappear off voting registrars, they are arrested far more than whites, they represent a higher proportion of unemployed etc etc etc.

The nationalist community throughout irish history would have prefered a political solution to the problem but none was entertained by the Brits.

Originally posted by Vader

But even after these new laws, blacks arnt equal to whites in america today. They dissappear off voting registrars, they are arrested far more than whites, they represent a higher proportion of unemployed etc etc etc.

But what of Colin Powell and Condalisa Rice??
Sorry for bringing this even further off topic but, if this were a thread dealing with discrimination etc, I'd be making the point that opportunity is available for everyone if they are inteligent or capable or have the drive.
prejudice though is available in all races and creeds.
I know though I got on a train near wall street once and the majority in the carriage were african american and the majority of them were wearing suits.

The nationalist community throughout irish history would have prefered a political solution to the problem but none was entertained by the Brits.

Well strictly speaking they did try to bring in a powersharing govt more than 30 years ago and this was brought down by unionists.

Getting back on topic, the nazi's were enemies of Britain, the old IRA's foe.
It's un surprising that they would have courted them.


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dathi1

Sinn Féin while they like to play the socialist card to gain support in certain areas are FAR FROM SOCIALIST, preferring to approve neo-liberal reforms and health reforms resulting in less ambulances for rural populations in the North; Sinn Féin are a neo-liberal nationalist party and anyone that says otherwise needs to look up the definition of socialism

Ok...so their brand of socialism doesn't reat the utopic orwellian style of the SWP or SP but they themselves espouse a Democratic socialist republic...(but not as much lately). Point is whatever "isim" they are... Nationalism now seems to take second place.

Vader

anyone that says otherwise needs to look up the definition of socialism

The Sinn fein manifesto looks pretty socialist to me.
They're all for semi-state bodies, increasing council budgets for housing etc., medical card for practically everyone.
This is there stance in the ROI, what they have done in NI im not too sure as my main interests in NI fall outside the budget but I do suspect that a lot of it is retoric got to do with connolly and the Irish citizens army.
What I am sure of is that SF have done a lot for equality, education and housing. They do look out for the common man and while this is far short of marxism it meets my definition of socialism.

(as for blacks and the USA, 55% of blacks in NYC live below the poverty line)

ReefBreak

John A Murphy (Emeritus Professor of Irish History at UCC) has a review ("Cheap and Malignant Anglophobia") of Adam's book in yesterday's Sunday Independent. I admit I haven't read the book, nor do I really want to as I don't think my stomach could handle it (and I'm not sure how long the book would last before I ripped it to shreds). Anyway, his review really puts to bed the idea that it might be in any way unbiased.

As for the alleged abuse: well, I was only debating a point. I didn't revert to calling you an Ignorant Motherf*cker. Although you seemed to take offence at being called a "Shinner", you still used the same phrase to describe your former self: "I USED to be a Shinner but NOT ANYMORE."

gandalf

Shutting this thread down as it is going nowhere.

Gandalf.