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Suggestion for Careers board
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01-12-2003 3:52pm#1
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Originally posted by Sinecure
Hello,
I was searching Boards for a certain career that I'm looking into at the moment, but couldn't find any mention of it, careers, or the "path ahead" at all.
Well, unless you are loloking into a career in Quake, English Lit, Home Entertainment or Green issues, I fail to see where you are going to learn about a 'certain' career from any forum on this site.Originally posted by Sinecure
Seeing as there loads of younger people on boards (most users in fact), I think that it might be a good idea to create a Careers board where people can get information/advice on certain careers that s/he may be interested in, and people who are actually in those jobs can reply etc.
3 points.
1) Most people in their mid twenties don't know what they want to do as a career, let alone those who are still playing CS.
2) How is a 'career' forum going to provide advice that any other forum can't?
3) The Work forum already provides this function.Originally posted by Sinecure
The only thing I can find close to this is the "Work" board in "Classifieds", but it doesn't appear to be suitable there at all.
why?
At what point does it fail? It would be very helpful to get feedback on what people think should be added to various forum to improve them. Surely this would be more beneficial than starting up yet another forum?Originally posted by Sinecure
Of course, people can decide to change jobs at any stage of their life, so this could be of use to everybody.
And again, the Work forum already caters for this. I'm not entirely sure why a new 'careers' forum will be needed.
I'm all for new forums that are either interesting or useful, however, I am not a fan of creating a forum for the sake of creating a forum. There is already a forum that provides exactly what you are talking about. It isn't just a forum to provide details on P45's and lunch breaks, it already deals with people who are changing their work path. People have already asked for adviced, and recieved it, on numerous details to do with work.
The forum you have suggested is just an integrated part of the work forum already, and I don't think there is enough traffic to support another forum.
After all, take a look around at all the empty forums with dust balls blowing through them. Forums created but not enough interest to sustain them.
However, you could just rename the work forum to Work\Careers
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Originally posted by pebble
Well, unless you are loloking into a career in Quake, English Lit, Home Entertainment or Green issues, I fail to see where you are going to learn about a 'certain' career from any forum on this site.
Isn't that just my point?
1) Most people in their mid twenties don't know what they want to do as a career, let alone those who are still playing CS.
I doubt that. True, a lot of people don't know what they want to do until later in life. But does that mean that everybody else will have to do without? Also, like I said the fourm would be for people of all ages - it's not just the younger people starting a new career. For example - there are a hell of a lot of people giving up whatever job they're in to become a taxi driver nowadays for some reason (just an example).
2) How is a 'career' forum going to provide advice that any other forum can't?
That's like saying "How is a 'Travel' forum going to provide advice that any other forum can't?"
It would be specifically about careers for which there is no similar boards already existing.
3) The Work forum already provides this function.
At what point does it fail?
Current Subjects in "Classifields/Work": "IT Buzzwords needed", " EBAY in Ireland, where?", " Criminal record" etc are hardly the place for career-specific advice.
There is a very big difference about seeking help on whether or not your boss is entitled to fire you because you came in 5 minutes late from lunch (exaggerated example), and looking for advice on something that could remain important to you for the next 40/50 years. Also, why is the "Work" forum in "Classifieds"? Would that not suggest that it is for people offering jobs? This is where it fails,
I am not a fan of creating a forum for the sake of creating a forum. There is already a forum that provides exactly what you are talking about.
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I don't want a forum to be created for the sake of it either. It is only a suggestion after all. I just think that a lot of people could benefit from a forum on this topic. My previous comments would suggest that I feel that the Work Classifieds forum would not be a suitable place for this. If the two forums were to be merged, then I think that they should be removed from Classifieds and placed elsewhere, but again, I think they are two different fields completely.
Do people think there would be enough traffic for a board like this?
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Originally posted by Sinecure
Isn't that just my point?
No. It isn't.Originally posted by Sinecure
I doubt that. True, a lot of people don't know what they want to do until later in life. But does that mean that everybody else will have to do without? Also, like I said the fourm would be for people of all ages - it's not just the younger people starting a new career. For example - there are a hell of a lot of people giving up whatever job they're in to become a taxi driver nowadays for some reason (just an example).
And funnily enough, there has been advice asked, and given on becoming a taxi driver on the work forum. I used the example of CS player as young players because you mentioned younger people.Originally posted by Sinecure
That's like saying "How is a 'Travel' forum going to provide advice that any other forum can't?"
It would be specifically about careers for which there is no similar boards already existing.
Lets use your own analogy here.
You want to start a forum about staying in package holidays.
Someone tells you that there is already a a travel forum.
You tell them that package holidays isn't really travel.
You want to start a career forum.
I someone tells you there is already a work forum.
You tell them that a career isn't really work related.
I'm confused!Originally posted by Sinecure
It would be specifically about careers for which there is no similar boards already existing.
What careers?
Do you want to have a forum for how to be a taxi driver?
another on becoming a butcher?
perhaps you can have your own whole directory with many many sub-directories for each career?
You see, I'm still confused as to what you want?
Do you want many forums for each career, or do you want one forum to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them? Surely that forum already exists?Originally posted by Sinecure
Current Subjects in "Classifields/Work": "IT Buzzwords needed", " EBAY in Ireland, where?", " Criminal record" etc are hardly the place for career-specific advice.
There is a very big difference about seeking help on whether or not your boss is entitled to fire you because you came in 5 minutes late from lunch (exaggerated example), and looking for advice on something that could remain important to you for the next 40/50 years. Also, why is the "Work" forum in "Classifieds"? Would that not suggest that it is for people offering jobs? This is where it fails,
Why is this not a forum for career questions?
Because you don't like some of the posts in the forum already?
You are correct, there are big differences between asking about being late for work and what you want to do in the future. However, I completely fail to see why there should be a seperate board.
As for why work is under the classifieds banner, I don't know. You'd have to ask DeVore or one of the admins. While you are at it, ask why Weather is under After Hours (surely we have weather all day long!), Counter-Strike is under games, and why Collectables is under Society.Originally posted by Sinecure
I don't want a forum to be created for the sake of it either. It is only a suggestion after all. I just think that a lot of people could benefit from a forum on this topic. My previous comments would suggest that I feel that the Work Classifieds forum would not be a suitable place for this. If the two forums were to be merged, then I think that they should be removed from Classifieds and placed elsewhere, but again, I think they are two different fields completely.
I'll be honest, you haven't actually given many reasons why there should be a seperate forum. You have mentioned the fact that you don't like the topics currently on the forum, and apparently the elitest posts of careers refuse point blank to mix with the proletariat scum of the 'Work' posts.
You have said that the work forum doesn't belong in the classified section. Perhaps DeVore and the Admins will consider moving it to somewhere more relevant like the Society directory?
And your only other argument is that you feel that careers and work aren't related.Originally posted by Sinecure
Do people think there would be enough traffic for a board like this?
No. and you know why?
Because if I was looking at going into a certain career, I would expect to know quite a lot about it. I wouldn't turn around someday in my thirties and say to myself 'Hey, you know what, I think I will change career. Maybe someone on Boards.IE can tell me all about flying a plane.'
If I was curious about it, I'd probably post on After Hours asking about flying in general, or I'd go to a dedicated flying site. And if anyone asked on the work forum about something like that, and no-one gave an answer, I'd probably advise them the same, because no-one knows everything about everything.
In the end, if I was changing career, I'd go and get professional advice, and this is what you are suggesting with a careers forum. The work forum still covers it.0 -
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Dev, what do you mean put it under work?
what?
the work board, or a careers board?
I have no problem with the work forum being renamed to work and careers, and in fact i recall a few years ago i suggested that we add training into it as well. although that eventually turned into the college board or something
however, the work forum in its current incarnation already deals with advice on careers in a modest way, but as already said, boards.ie is not the place for people to take life changing career advice from. its a place where people can already get an idea, or perhaps get some pointers in a direction that may help, encourage or inform.
Careers are extremely specific in nature, and the information about them is as well.
there is no way that boards could provide such specific information.
but what can be done is to tell someone that xxx website can tell them, or that a local library can help.
i think the work board already does that.
however, maybe work could be moved out of calssifieds, because it was not really meant to act as a place for people to advertise job placements. thats something that i have cultivated.
on the other hand, we could allow agencies to post up jobs that they have on their books, but i would then post this under commercialism and i would get them to pay a monthly fee for the privilage
of course, you could make a whole seperate sub directory with me as admin, and we could add careers boards and training boards, adn then you would have to add the education sub directories as well.
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I concur with WWM, Accommodation / Property also sits uncomfortably in Classifieds with as many people posting "waaah, my landlord kept my deposit after I burnt down the house" posts as actual wanted / available posts. At times I even have to spam it with articles to keep it alive.
Should the be a Real Life (TM) group of boards with Accommodation / Property, Work, A/M/D, B/E/F and Commuting / Transport ?0
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