For the Liberal Brigade

dathi1

Just in case you want more from "multiculturalism"

Our friends from al mahajorun are holding a leaflet drop in Stephens green centre this Saturday and Jury's hotel in Jan to discuss the benefits of Jihad against the west and how 9/11 was great. Just what we need. Must pop over to have a yap.
All we need now is a Bush visit.
www.muhajiroun.com
www.almuk.com/obm/events.html

sceptre

Hmmm, can't seem to see the leaflet about this Saturday - can you knock up a direct link? Can't see any real mention of jihad in the thing for January either.

I'm a bit lazy so are these the nice Muslims or the nutty ones? And where does this liberal brigade meet?

Originally posted by dathi1
All we need now is a Bush visit.

/waves wand
Rumours are for next April or May:)

DiscoStu

Originally posted by sceptre
I'm a bit lazy so are these the nice Muslims or the nutty ones?

these are the walnut whip of nutty muslims although i dont think they have killed anyone yet.

Didn't we go to America in the early stages of the century looking for support against our war with the british?

Sparks

Originally posted by sceptre
I'm a bit lazy so are these the nice Muslims or the nutty ones?

These guys are to the muslim community as the provisional IRA hardliners are to the Republic's catholic community. As every member of the liberal brigade knows, having taken the time to actually find out, right daithi?

Frank Grimes

Why is this for the "liberal brigade" out of interest?

mr_angry

I agree. These guys are hardly "liberal". I think "lunatics" is a better word.

Anyone wanna organise a mass protest?

Nevyn

yes tht wonderfull group that teach 13 year old boys how to use an ak47 as part of thier coming of age.

parasite

that picture makes me seethe with rage, i should rise above it ..calm blue ocean calm blue ocean

bug

.....so it is acceptable for them to attack the non-muslims in the west whether in retaliation for constant bombing and murder taking place all over the Muslim world at the hands of the non-muslims....

..magnificent 19 on 9/11....

Fatwa or Divine Decree Against those that Ally with the Disbelievers against the muslims article re: the invasion of Iraq

well I dont get it are they going to kill us or convert us? taking into account the poster above..

anyways I hope they see the irony in enforcing eastern ways/ideals on the west, I doubt it though.

Think I'll pop along too.

sceptre

Thanks for the info chaps

Originally posted by Frank Grimes
Why is this for the "liberal brigade" out of interest?

After the info from DiscoStu, Sparks et al, I think it's a "close the borders" thread. Now we know, carry on...

dathi1

Basically the whole purpose of this thread is to discuss the matter of this particular organisation. I know they represent a minority of Muslim thinking but they can have a dramatic effect on the overall agenda of young Muslim communities across Europe when the going gets tough. The debate should centre around: Does Section 31 offences against the state apply here? Racism? Incitement to hatred? Are they being treated in the same manner by the state security services with lets say the RIRA. Considering the crackdown in Finchley, London on this group... There's a whole load of stuff to debate here. Will there be a boycott against this group by lets say; Sein Fein, SWP, SP, ICTU, SIPTU as in the case with immigration control platform etc...

mr_angry

Funnily enough, the Irish mandate looks pretty reasonable. Its the London events that are being promoted as a celebration of the destruction of the West.

Lets all go along and play Metallica in the windows - welcome to Western culture. I'm sure they'll appreciate the convergence of cultures.

ReefBreak

Originally posted by dathi1
The debate should centre around: Does Section 31 offences against the state apply here? Racism? Incitement to hatred? Are they being treated in the same manner by the state security services with lets say the RIRA. Considering the crackdown in Finchley, London on this group... There's a whole load of stuff to debate here. Will there be a boycott against this group by lets say; Sein Fein, SWP, SP, ICTU, SIPTU as in the case with immigration control platform etc...

I doubt any of that will happen. The Liberal Brigade will be too busy trying to "engage" this group with "dialogue" in an effort to "understand" and "respect their grievances" vis-a-vis their "cultural significance" in society. Or something. In other words you'll get a bunch of former Arts Students playing touchy-feely politics and rambling on with meaningless soundbytes on the airwaves, when what should be done (IMHO) is that they should be arrested for promoting Hatred/Terrorism/Racism/Religious Intolerance, before being swiftly booted out of the country or thrown in the slammer.

Thing is, I consider myself a liberal regarding some issues (drugs, abortion, some issues on immigration, neo-liberal politics), but conservative on others (other issues on immigration, crime). I would consider the Liberal Brigade to be slightly different than just Liberal. I find the LBs to be just as conservative as the most entrenched Extreme Right-Winger. Obviously, their politics are completely different, but they are just as rigid in their opinions - and when any new LB doctrine appears on the scene, that just gets added to the list without thought or discussion. Well, that my opinion anyhow.

Zombrex

Originally posted by dathi1
Just in case you want more from "multiculturalism"

Our friends from al mahajorun are holding a leaflet drop in Stephens green centre this Saturday and Jury's hotel in Jan to discuss the benefits of Jihad against the west and how 9/11 was great

NEWS FLASH

"The island of Ireland is in the grip of panic today as it has emerged that foreign cultural influences have introduced a totally alien concepts to the people of Ireland. It is being reported that a small group of people, claiming to belong to the Islamic religion, are prompting their own religion as the one true religion, and are spreading the idea that violence should be used against those who do not believe in their religion.

Ireland has never experience anything like this before and many have called on the Taosieach to take swift action to keep us all blissfully protected from such alien and foreign ideas as terrorism and religious extremism. As part of this move all history books, newspapers and television reports dated before 1998 are to be burnt, in case they lead to any form of historical/cultural “confusion” for the peaceful people of Ireland.

Anti-immigration protesters interviewed were quick to say "I told you so" and called on the government to close all boarders to stop these totally foreign cultural ideas from entering our peaceful, tolerant island. When asked if this was a bit extreme the anti-immigration/monoculture a spokes person for the group said “any towel-head could be spreading hate and intolerance in our country, the only way to make sure is to ban them all of the dirty fecker.”

Before leaving to look up “irony” in a dictionary, the spokes person also called on the government to jail the so called "liberal brigade". He said this must be done before they can do any more damage to the country. The members of the "liberal brigade" can be identified by two little horns at the top of their heads, and are often seen talking to people of strange skin tone or with funny sounding accents. They are considered extremely dangerous so do not approach under any circumstances. The police told us you should just run away with your hands over your ears shouting "I'm not listening, I'm not listening" until you can find the nearest safe hole in sand to stick your head in."

Zombrex

Personally I think all the religious nut cases up that end of Grafton St. should all have the **** kicked out of them, Muslims, Jews, Christian, miscellaneous, the lot

If one more Scientologist idiot asks me if I want a "personality test" I am going to beat the living snot out of him.

And that fecking old woman who walks up and down with the "dead fetus" billboards. Right out side MacDonald’s and Burger King. I mean come on!! I am eating here!!

The only answer I can see is to ban religion in Grafton St. ... a bit extreme you might say, but if we let any form of religion survive then you will get nut cases ... to get rid of nut cases you must ban religion in any where I am … I want a religious free zone to extend 200 meters in a circle around me where ever I go in the city centre

Who is with me!!!!

Redleslie

Personally I believe that the Vatican's stance on AIDS and its stupid opposition to condoms is responsible for more death, misery and authoritarian patriarchical oppression throughout the world than these islamateurs could ever dream of. I applaud their Salman Rushdie fatwa though.

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Wicknight
If one more Scientologist idiot asks me if I want a "personality test" I am going to beat the living snot out of him.

Nah, it's much more fun to get him to hang on a second while you check with your body thetans...

dahamsta

Originally posted by dathi1
Basically the whole purpose of this thread is to discuss the matter of this particular organisation.

I guess you shouldn't have used it to label people so, eh dathi1?

adam

dathi1

"The island of Ireland is in the grip of panic today as it has emerged that foreign cultural influences have introduced a totally alien concepts to the people of Ireland.

Aha haha hehhee hoho ha ha...ahem.. that was extremely funny. I suppose you find this particular group stance on State law and fatwah declarations in the same vain too...if so the jokes on you mate.

Before leaving to look up “irony” in a dictionary, the spokes person also called on the government to jail the so called "liberal brigade".

The "irony" is we dont know what the word terror means when you're dealing with this crowd.

I guess you shouldn't have used it to label people so, eh dathi1?

I don't think there is a rule against headline grabbing on this forum?

bonkey

Originally posted by dathi1
Just in case you want more from "multiculturalism"

Our friends from al mahajorun are holding a leaflet drop in Stephens green centre this Saturday and Jury's hotel in Jan to discuss the benefits of Jihad against the west and how 9/11 was great. Just what we need.

Well, I'd guess I'm generally considered one of the "liberal brigade", and I see nothing wrong with this.

I'm pretty sure we have laws in Ireland which allow the legal system to take action in cases of incitement to hatred, racism, religious persecution, incitement to violence etc.

If these people are suggesting that people be involved in any/all of the above, then they should be treated by the law exactly as it should those who incite hatred, violence, persecution, etc. against blacks, Muslims, etc. etc. etc.

Its more a question of equality than of liberty. Liberty decides what we permit. Equality ensures that we permit it equally from all.

It is the latter which is at fault here.

jc

sovtek

Originally posted by ReefBreak
I doubt any of that will happen. The Liberal Brigade will be too busy trying to "engage" this group with "dialogue" in an effort to "understand" and "respect their grievances" vis-a-vis their "cultural significance" in society.

Screw that...so I can get my name on a list and then get arrested when I go back to America and visit my family.

I like the Metallica idea...as long as it's from their anthology prior to the money grubbing, let's-fight-over our-rodies days.

Éomer of Rohan

Quoted from Daithi1
There's a whole load of stuff to debate here. Will there be a boycott against this group by lets say; Sein Fein, SWP, SP, ICTU, SIPTU as in the case with immigration control platform etc...

The immigration control platform was an idea that could all to easily have become government policy - it required a public boycott by the Socialist Party and the two trade unionist bodies, ICTU and SIPTU. Everyone knows these muslim extremists are nutcases and they are treated as such. I relish the day they come north of the border.

And of course we have ReefBreak taking through his ass.

Allow me to elucidate...

Quoted from ReefBreak
I doubt any of that will happen. The Liberal Brigade will be too busy trying to "engage" this group with "dialogue" in an effort to "understand" and "respect their grievances" vis-a-vis their "cultural significance" in society. Or something. In other words you'll get a bunch of former Arts Students playing touchy-feely politics and rambling on with meaningless soundbytes on the airwaves, when what should be done (IMHO) is that they should be arrested for promoting Hatred/Terrorism/Racism/Religious Intolerance, before being swiftly booted out of the country or thrown in the slammer.

This is quite simply crap; I am assuming for the purposes of this that you classify the 'Liberal Brigade' in the same fashion as Daithi1 since the above quote from yourself was a reply to Daithi1's comments which I too have quoted above. I speak for the SP.

We do not engage in dialogue with advocates of terrorism as a political tool; hence we steer well clear of Sinn Fein, the PUP &c in the North, given that there is no difference between any such groups, regardless of religion.

With regard to 'understanding' and 'respect,' how can one respect a group with religious conflictions, in our eyes a trivial distraction from the realities of the world? Moreover, how can one respect a group who want the death of people? To point out that someone has a point however is not respect or justification.

If this group is a threat to public security, they should be dealt with accordingly. If they are in breach of the peace, they should be dealt with just as anyone else would. They should not be thrown out of the country; we have not thrown out SF or the PUP regardless of how much we might like to and there is no difference.

mike65

The best response to these nutters is to go along to the meetting and leaflet drop them.



Mike.

dathi1

They should not be thrown out of the country; we have not thrown out SF or the PUP regardless of how much we might like to and there is no difference.

I think the comparison is over the top. This crowd have God on their side which unlike "isims" you cannot argue logically with. Even speaking like this about them can incite members to issue fatwahs against you.:ninja: So since you're an SP hack will you and "let them all in no matter what" Joe Higgins be boycotting this group in Jury's Hotel, January?

excellent Mike 65

Éomer of Rohan

LMAO Mike. Too right!

Quoted from Daithi1
I think the comparison is over the top. This crowd have God on their side which unlike "isims" you cannot argue logically with. Even speaking like this about them can incite members to issue fatwahs against you.

I don't. I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that if the IRA had thought killing the cabinet with a Boeing would work, they would have done so; if the UVF / UDA had decided that a 747 into the Falls Road or, even the centre of Dublin would have had all catholics running for the hills, then hell, they'd probably have done that too. Remember this conflict is divided along religious lines up here, regardless of whether it's about drug money or not. The priests used to absolve the boys from their sins just as they were heading out the door with the rest of their ASU.

Quoted from Daithi1
So since you're an SP hack will you and "let them all in no matter what" Joe Higgins be boycotting this group in Jury's Hotel, January?

They are a non-entity. They do not require boycotting. As I understand it, there are many religious extremists who hang about on Grafton St.

Zombrex

Originally posted by dathi1
Aha haha hehhee hoho ha ha...ahem.. that was extremely funny. I suppose you find this particular group stance on State law and fatwah declarations in the same vain too...if so the jokes on you mate.

I find it just as stupid and illogical as the Catholic IRA trying to bomb the crap out of London, or the Protestant UVF blowing up Belfast. I find extreme Islam just as distasteful as I find extreme Christianity or Judaism. I find Islamic clerics preaching hatred against non-Islamics as shameful as the Catholic church protecting child rapists or refusing to help stop AIDS in Africa. I have no time for any extreme religious/terrorist groups, what ever religion or reason, or the party/group that represent them.

At the same time I no more lump all Catholics from the north or every Muslim from Dublin in the same boat. Violence and terrorism isn't anymore inherent in Islam than it is in Christianity. While the “War on Terror” is bombing the crap out of Islamic countries, western Christian anti-abortionist are blowing up clinics in America, shooting doctors from high power riffles. Is this a problem of multiculturalism as well? Should we stop all western Christians entering this country because they will infest our culture with their culture of hate and religious extremism?

Originally posted by dathi1
The "irony" is we dont know what the word terror means when you're dealing with this crowd.

Oh I think most people on this island know what religious extremism and terrorism means ... they don't need "multiculturalism" to know how terrorist work, they just need to look at the last 30 years.

Your idea that multiculturalism is introducing this stuff to Ireland is, give our particular history, laughable and naive in the extreme.

dathi1

At the same time I no more lump all Catholics from the north or every Muslim from Dublin in the same boat.

as I pointed out above too.

Your idea that multiculturalism is introducing this stuff to Ireland is, give our particular history, laughable and naive in the extreme.

No..its one aspect of a la carte immigration...the Multicultural stint was a take on neo liberals who espouse Multiculturalism at any cost. Our history doesn't compare to the dilemma which we now face between Zionists, American Christian Fundamentalists, PNAC and the likes of the above. A plague on all their houses.

Zombrex

Originally posted by dathi1
as I pointed out above too.
No..its one aspect of a la carte immigration.

It is not an aspect of immigration, it is an aspect of life. We had extremist religious groups in Ireland before anyone in Ireland could spell Muslim, and we have it now, both Christian and Muslim. We will have it in the future, with God knows what religion next. As long as there is religion and freedom you are going to get religious extremists. Unless you plan to police what people think, or ban all religions, pointing at Islam and saying "bad religion, stay away from us" is very hypocrital.

Originally posted by dathi1
Multicultural stint was a take on neo liberals who espouse Multiculturalism at any cost.

Liberals don't espouse multiculturalism at any cost, they just don't have any objects to it. They don't have such an irrational fear of it in the way you seem to. Why should 20 idiots handing out paper at the top of Grafton St taint every Muslim in Ireland? It is not a reflection on Islamic culture any more than the Omagh bombing is a reflection on Catholic culture.

You on the other hand seem to believe in blissful ignorance at any cost. You seem to preach that if we don't interact with other cultures then people of those cultures can't harm us. Well duh! If we don't go out of our house then we can't be hit by cars. Of course it means you can never see the sun again or breath fresh air, but at least you are safe.

dathi1

We had extremist religious groups in Ireland before anyone in Ireland could spell Muslim, and we have it now, both Christian and Muslim

Like al mahajorun.?..Did you see the Twin Towers stint on their page.? ...20? 1 is enough.

As long as there is religion and freedom you are going to get religious extremists.

well I feel a lot better now. How close is Selafeild by Ryan Air?

It is not a reflection on Islamic culture

I stresed this point earlier.

You seem to preach that if we don't interact with other cultures then people of those cultures can't harm us.

Now either you have the eye of allah..or I'm blind...where?

Well duh! If we don't go out of our house then we can't be hit by cars. Of course it means you can never see the sun again or breath fresh air, but at least you are safe.

has absolutely no bearing on the debate of allowing die at any cost for God groups like the above to freely preach their type of doctrine.

Zombrex

Originally posted by dathi1
Like al mahajorun.?..Did you see the Twin Towers stint on their page.? ...20? 1 is enough.

Yes like Al Mahajorun ... what you think the Real IRA are made up of bunnies and rabbits? I am pretty sure they would be flying planes into buildings if they though it would help their cause, they seem to have no problem with blowing up Spanish children.

Originally posted by dathi1
well I feel a lot better now. How close is Selafeild by Ryan Air?

So we should oppose multicultural religions because someone, from another culture, could fly a Irish plane into Sellafield? Ummm

Originally posted by dathi1
I stresed this point earlier. Now either you have the eye of allah..or I'm blind...where?

Well you post a thread saying that look at what "La Carte" multiculturalism has produced. I would assume from that you believe that if we didn't allow mulitculturalism this kind of stuff wouldn't happen, and we would all be safe. If that wasn't your point, please tell my why you keep mentioning multiculturalism and immgration.

Originally posted by dathi1
has absolutely no bearing on the debate of allowing die at any cost for God groups like the above to freely preach their type of doctrine.

Yes but that isn't the debate you started ... allow me to quote -

For the Liberal Brigade
Just in case you want more from "multiculturalism"
its one aspect of a la carte immigration
Multicultural stint was a take on neo liberals who espouse Multiculturalism at any cost


You are blaming multiculturalism and immigration for this, are you not?