Arsenal see Red Again

The Muppet · 07-12-2003 10:46am #1

What a horrific "tackle " from ashley Cole adding to arsenal long list of suspensions for indicipline this season. If they continue to get red cards their season is going to be ruined by having to field under strength teams. Does Wenger not realise that if he doesn,t act to curb their over the top actions that it will have a detrimental effect on their season. I wouldn't expect any manager to publicallly slate a single player but he has to take action in private to stamp out this problem. Had Coles tackle today caught the player full on the leg it would have seriously injured him.

Big Ears · 07-12-2003 11:09am

speaking of bad tackles did u see gerard's too footed tackle today(on bernard i think ). Thank God he missed because that would have ended bernards career there and then.

jank · 07-12-2003 1:24pm

we have been here before about this topic and flogged the topic to death! and dont even get me started on rio!
it was a bad tackle and deserved a red but it doesnt deserve acres of newspaper to be written about it

however this year arsenal do have a good crop of youngsters so the suspensions wont be too bad.

and how about pennant?? bags of skill and ability just needs to get his attitude right to make his way back to highbury for next season

gandalf · 07-12-2003 1:44pm

Didn't see the tackle as I was out killing brain cells last night. But I believe Cole is a liability to Arsenal at the moment (yes I know he got an extremely important goal in one of the Champions league matches), I feel he is the weak link in our defense and he has the tendency to dive in on tackles.

Shame about that bloody draw as well yesterday, missed opportunity that was !!!

Gandalf.

mike65 · 07-12-2003 1:45pm

Maybe its time FIFA or UEFA considered some sort of
penalty points system - if you accumulate say 30 points you get 3 points knocked off your league tally which could easily be the difference between champions and second or CL and Uefa Cup or indeed survival and the drop....

Mike.

Pepe LeFrits · 07-12-2003 3:52pm

He apologised for the tackle afterwards.

I disagree that he is a liability to the team at the moment. He is good going forward and is improving defensively all the time. His tackles can be overly aggressive sometimes, but he usually gets it right. Goal saving tackle against Inter, anyone?

kmart6 · 07-12-2003 4:10pm

Who cares if he apologised after the match that wont make up for the tackle.He could have ended Thatcher's career if his feet had been on the ground.He was nowhere near the ball and from the moment he went for the tackle it was obvious he was going to miss the ball and get the player

Pepe LeFrits · 07-12-2003 4:50pm

and?

James R · 07-12-2003 4:53pm

Cole is a threat going forward but I feel the young lad coming through, Juan, is a better defender, even now!

Should be good competition there in a couple of seasons.

Dustaz · 07-12-2003 6:13pm

Terrible challenge, He deserved to go alright.

Having said that, I dont think he makes a habit of it and I'd agree with Kif that hes been playing well this season. Last season he was one of the worst full backs in the league but his defensive ability has really come on this season.

As for the implications of this and hows its 'another sign of arsenals indiscipline blah blah blah'. For gods sake, it was a bad tackle - they happen. All the time. Every week. It wasnt indisipline, it was a mistake. I think arsenal have reacted pretty well to the post old trafford hoohaa and proved that they can behave themselves. Hopefully this will continue and the only types of red cards well be seeing are of the "bad tackle" variety.

The Muppet · 07-12-2003 7:28pm

I think arsenal have reacted pretty well to the post old trafford hoohaa and proved that they can behave themselves. Hopefully this will continue and the only types of red cards well be seeing are of the "bad tackle" variety.

There was a bit of a rumpus after the red was issued and it took cole 2 minutes to leave the pitch. I suppose the FA will wait until they see the REFs report before deciding weather any further action is take. To Be fair to the Gunners they did seem to be trying to diffuse the situation rather than being agressive this time and it was during the match rather than after it.;)

Dustaz · 07-12-2003 7:36pm

Originally posted by The Muppet
There was a bit of a rumpus after the red was issued and it took cole 2 minutes to leave the pitch. I suppose the FA will wait until they see the REFs report before deciding weather any further action is take.

Shock horror - Players complain when teammate is red carded - HOLD THE FRONT PAGE.

Youll have to try a little harder than that

kmart6 · 07-12-2003 7:58pm

Originally posted by kif
and?

Anybody who is going for the player not the ball must be some type of coward.

A ''tackle'' like that is not exceptable in the modern game and I hope there is further repercusstions for his stupidity

The Muppet · 07-12-2003 8:09pm

Shock horror - Players complain when teammate is red carded - HOLD THE FRONT PAGE.

TBH I agree with you but i did see some of the TV pundit (ITV) try make an issue of it. Didn't viera get punished recently for not leaving the pitch quick enough after being sent off.

Youll have to try a little harder than that

:rolleyes:

kmart6 · 07-12-2003 8:22pm

Originally posted by Dustaz
Shock horror - Players complain when teammate is red carded - HOLD THE FRONT PAGE.

The point The Muppet was making was that Cole didnt leave the pitch straihght away teammates are always going to argue but he should just say what ever he wants and leave straight away

jank · 07-12-2003 8:38pm

Originally posted by kmart6
The point The Muppet was making was that Cole didnt leave the pitch straihght away teammates are always going to argue but he should just say what ever he wants and leave straight away

well if anybody actually saw the match they would have seen a lecister player sprinting 50 yards to make an issue out of it and sticking his nose into it. it was him that started all the pushing and shoving. He was pure trying to start something like the so called BATTLE OF OLD TRAFFORD!!(maybe they will make a movie of it sometime with arnie as horseface and wesly snipes as viera??)

all in all it was a bad tackle but it happens everyday
sure gerard is a specialist at doing it and getting away with it

arguably cole got a nick of the ball but it could be debtable however it was a red and that is that even if he got that nick!

the suggestion that the teams with the worst discipline record is kinda daft!!
eg u win a game but a player gets sent off then and your docked 3 points??

it goes against the foundation of the game. remember when the yanks proposed that that there would be areas where goals would be worth more if scored for example outside the box!

jank · 07-12-2003 8:46pm

Originally posted by kmart6

A ''tackle'' like that is not exceptable in the modern game and I hope there is further repercusstions for his stupidity

:rolleyes:

clearly people here want to make an issue out of it

sure why not take out the whole aresnal team and shoot them all it would be easier in the long run

oh didnt danny murphy (think it was him in the blackburn game?!) break someones leg with a 2 footed lunge and was there any big repercusstions??

Aliminator · 07-12-2003 8:57pm

oh didnt danny murphy (think it was him in the blackburn game?!) break someones leg with a 2 footed lunge and was there any big repercusstions??

murphy, gerrard. the list of offenders goes on. but when it's an Arsenal Player! oh my god. ban them all! uncooth louts! ffs ppl. hypocrite ville. you anti-Arsenal are all just jealous. yes Cole has had a history of reds, but ffs, it's only for tackles.
no one is making an issue of Gigg's elbow on the russian.
Gerrard should be banned for a few games, come on, if keown gets 4 games, so should gerrard. maybe houllier will 'let him rot' for a while.

The Muppet · 07-12-2003 9:06pm

clearly people here want to make an issue out of it

Well this is a soccer forum, are we not supposed to mention Arsenals Indiscretions?

Don,t see the Liverpool supporters whining in the Gerrard thread.

you anti-Arsenal are all just jealous.

I,m not anti arsenal if you check my posts yo will find I mostly praise them, and as I supporth The Champions what exactly would I be Jealous of?

Aliminator · 07-12-2003 9:19pm

then obviously that statement didn't apply to you.
we're not defending Cole, just showing that as Wenger said: " they're out to get us!"
:P

Pacifico · 07-12-2003 9:53pm

Yeah it was a bad tackle. The aftermath was mostly Lecisters fault. Adding to the situation.

He got sent off happens all the time. Cole being a liability is rubish. What is he 23 or something? Full english international. Hes improving alot this season.

BTW is it a one match ban for a red????

jank · 07-12-2003 10:56pm

well muppet you started the thread but how come you didnt start a thread on the giggs incident or gerrards tackle this weekend!

picking on arsenal is always easier and brings more attention imo!

and yes this is a soccer thread an people can post what they want i suppose but with due reason and balance!

Ronan|Raven · 08-12-2003 12:17am

Originally posted by jank
oh didnt danny murphy (think it was him in the blackburn game?!) break someones leg with a 2 footed lunge and was there any big repercusstions??

Um I think it was Mister Neill who broke Carraghers leg in that game..... Moving onto the point you are correct on Neill got no slap on the wrist what so ever for a brutal tackle, well he got the standard ban for a red card but no real punishment what so ever. Mind boggling to say the least.

The Muppet · 08-12-2003 9:53am

well muppet you started the thread but how come you didn't start a thread on the giggs incident or gerrards tackle this weekend!

If you read the Gerrard thread you would see that I didn't see the incident but have commented on what was posted here about it.

picking on arsenal is always easier and brings more attention imo!

Funny I've seen lots of incident involving different teams debated here but as soon as there's any negative comment regarding Arsenal the accusations of us "picking on arsenal" and "they're out to get us" start . The paranoia act is very boring why not address the issues raised instead of going off topic all the time?

and yes this is a soccer thread an people can post what they want i suppose but with due reason and balance

IMO the comments about coles horrific tackle are both balanced and appropriate for this soccer forum.

Rodney Trotter · 08-12-2003 11:04am

yeah it was a bad tackle. The aftermath was mostly Lecisters fault.

Typical Arsenal reaction.

Arsenal are a disgrace. Time and time again they bring the game into disrepute and get away with it. Why were so many charges dropped after their antics at Old Trafford? Why did their players get off so lightly? It's obvious they are so well in with the FA that they can push the limits of the game and still get away with it.

Ashley Cole is a petulant, dirty, arrogant little 5hit. He will get a 3 match ban for this but IMO it's not long enough. He needs a good seeing to to get the cr4p out of his head, though that might not be enough.

Wenger is also a disgrace with his myopia. A manager who's team has accumulated the indiscipline Arsenal have should be charged with failing to control his players, but this will not happen.

As for Cole refusing to leave the field? Was that Leicester's fault?

And, as for the injury time equaliser? Just like the draw v Bolton, last season, it must have been sponsored by Mastercard, it was PRICELESS!

uberwolf · 08-12-2003 11:14am

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter
T Time and time again they bring the game into disrepute and get away with it.

they also play the game beautifully, unlike my beloved pool

Tackle was terrible, not unlike gerrards last season in the derby (I think) and that was dragged through disciplinary proceedings. Coles tackle deserves the same

mr_angry · 08-12-2003 11:31am

In fairness to Ashley Cole, once he'd calmed down, he accepted it was a bad tackle, and that he should have been sent off. He then apologised to Ben Thatcher, and to the rest of his team-mates for letting them down.

As for the "always bringing the game into disrepute" remark - I really think people are going overboard on Arsenal there. In a couple of years, we're going to look back on the "Battle of Old Trafford" :rolleyes: and laugh. I've seen better fights in the playground when I was at primary school! "Battle"? No more than handbags.

Rodney Trotter · 08-12-2003 11:46am

In fairness to Ashley Cole, once he'd calmed down, he accepted it was a bad tackle, and that he should have been sent off. He then apologised to Ben Thatcher, and to the rest of his team-mates for letting them down.

Balderdash! If anyone (apart from myopic Ars fans) believes that was anything more than an ass - covering erercise then you are mistaken. It's obvious the petulant idiot didn't want to leave the field as you can see even when he was going, he ripped off his shirt. I seriously doubt the sincerity of any "apology".

Alan Hansen once said that the essence of sportsmanship (as practised by his Liverpool team) was to be gracious in defeat and magnamous in victory, two qualities lacking in this Ars team. (Their reaction to Van Nistlerooy at OT was the worst expression of sportsmanship I have ever seen.)

Players like Keown should be rooted out of the game. He is a disgrace. He has kicked opponents all his career and is feted as being something of a hard man.

Arsenal are doing all this without anyone else's input. Their disciplinary record is a disgrace and should be an embarassment, but , obviously, it is not. (Look at P Viera's record? Another disgrace.)

Ashley Cole is the new breed of "cultured thug". He has been out of order for a few seasons now and it's about time he has been caught.

cournioni · 08-12-2003 11:53am

Originally posted by mike65
Maybe its time FIFA or UEFA considered some sort of
penalty points system - if you accumulate say 30 points you get 3 points knocked off your league tally which could easily be the difference between champions and second or CL and Uefa Cup or indeed survival and the drop....

Mike.

What if players don't wear their seatbelts?

Rodney Trotter · 08-12-2003 12:01pm

Goalies should wear seatbelts but strikers should be exempt!

TwoShedsJackson · 08-12-2003 12:04pm

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter

Players like Keown should be rooted out of the game. He is a disgrace. He has kicked opponents all his career and is feted as being something of a hard man.

Ashley Cole is the new breed of "cultured thug". He has been out of order for a few seasons now and it's about time he has been caught.

And of course no mention of Roy Keane in your righteous ranting. A man who has been sent off almost as often as Vieira and was the very definiton of a hard man for a decade.

cournioni · 08-12-2003 12:06pm

Originally posted by TwoShedsJackson
And of course no mention of Roy Keane in your righteous ranting. A man who has been sent off almost as often as Vieira and was the very definiton of a hard man for a decade.

Ah quit crying.

Rodney Trotter · 08-12-2003 12:11pm

And of course no mention of Roy Keane in your righteous ranting. A man who has been sent off almost as often as Vieira and was the very definiton of a hard man for a decade.

Of course 2_sh1ts, no mention of RK.

The thread is about Arsenal and one of their players, I don't see the need to change the topic of debate. RK is nothing to do with this thread.

Typical ABU retort. (Pathetic and probably the best you can come up with!)

Big Ears · 08-12-2003 12:16pm

the solution is 4 game ban for any1 that tries a two footed tackle.almost all of the time balls that are one by two footed tackles could be one by a one footed tackle.

Dustaz · 08-12-2003 12:19pm

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter

The thread is about Arsenal and one of their players, I don't see the need to change the topic of debate. RK is nothing to do with this thread.

This thread is about ashley cole, not the 'battle' of OT or keown.

Your the worst troll weve had in ages (you could learn from Muppet on how to pick and choose

)

Do you really expect us to take anything you write seriously?

TwoShedsJackson · 08-12-2003 12:19pm

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter
2_sh1ts (Pathetic and probably the best you can come up with!)

:rolleyes:

Thanx 4 The Fish · 08-12-2003 12:22pm

Warned you twice Rodney. You are out for a week.

Mossy Monk · 08-12-2003 12:46pm

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter
Pathetic

i am thinking of a sentance which includes fine words such as "kettle" "pot" and "black"

cournioni · 08-12-2003 1:08pm

Originally posted by Dustaz
This thread is about ashley cole, not the 'battle' of OT or keown.

Actually the title says "Arsenal see Red Again" in the title. Therefore it is about Arsenal.

Dustaz · 08-12-2003 1:09pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Actually the title says "Arsenal see Red Again" in the title. Therefore it is about Arsenal.

Keown did not recieve a red card. He did not see red. So he cannot be mentioned under the new 2003 Pedant rules.

cournioni · 08-12-2003 1:11pm

Originally posted by Dustaz
Keown did not recieve a red card. He did not see red. So he cannot be mentioned under the new 2003 Pedant rules.

True. I take that back.

The Muppet · 08-12-2003 1:24pm

POsted By Dustaz
you could learn from Muppet on how to pick and choose

Another usual retort, If you don't like someones opinion accuse the of trolling, it saves having to addrees the issue raised and tends to bring the thread way off topic. Not all Arsenla fans are guilty as can be seen from the early replies in this thread but some find it very difficult to accept merited criticism. Its time to take off the blinkers Guys and give honestly held opinions as replies.

back on topic,The leicester players are still incensed with Cole for his tackle and as its NOT the first time he has done this its time for Wenger to act, assuming of course that he managed to see it.;)

Pepe LeFrits · 08-12-2003 3:04pm

And its not like you'd ever do that Muppet.

jank · 08-12-2003 3:27pm

Originally posted by The Muppet
its time for Wenger to act, assuming of course that he managed to see it.;)

the the funniest and original thing i have heard i years!!

as regards rodney well its best to ignore that kind of tripe and arse are the worst team ever rants!!

as i siad earlier its probably best just to take them all out and shoot them as to stop the terrible rot that has set in in english football since wenger came in(its all his fault even global warming is his fault!!)

they should make a film about the battle of old trafford!!
since it was such a battle like
arnie as horseface, wesly snipes as viera, nick noltie as fergie and ben kingsley as wenger

what ye all think!? it would make a fortune lord of the rings watch out!

Big Ears · 08-12-2003 11:02pm

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter
Typical Arsenal reaction.

Arsenal are a disgrace. Time and time again they bring the game into disrepute and get away with it. Why were so many charges dropped after their antics at Old Trafford? Why did their players get off so lightly? It's obvious they are so well in with the FA that they can push the limits of the game and still get away with it.

im sorry 4 different srsenal players were banned and fined in excess of £10,000
united giggs £7,500 ronaldo £4,000 plus no ban. Luaren was even giving a four game ban !!! . Keane got the same for that tackle on haaland.

edit: i forgot to mention that cole got an extra game ban for not leaving the pitch early enough. (this must be a new rule as they imposed it on viera after the old T incident. funny how it only applys to arsenal ).

ZENER · 08-12-2003 11:08pm

Posted by Jank

they should make a film about the battle of old trafford!!
since it was such a battle like
arnie as horseface, wesly snipes as viera, nick noltie as fergie and ben kingsley as wenger

Whats up Jank ? ... did nobody respond the first time you cracked this one so you dragged it out again. :rolleyes:

Ashley Cole was hurling abuse at the ref as he was leaving the pitch, that wont do him any favours ans I reckon it's the only reason he apologised, to escape a more serious punishment.

Tinky

The Muppet · 08-12-2003 11:19pm

they should make a film about the battle of old trafford!!
since it was such a battle like
arnie as horseface, wesly snipes as viera, nick noltie as fergie and ben kingsley as wengerQUOTE]

the the funniest and original thing i have heard i years!!

Is there an ECHO in Here?:D

Rodney Trotter2 · 09-12-2003 12:08am

I'll do an Ashley Cole and refuse to leave the pitch!

as regards rodney well its best to ignore that kind of tripe and arse are the worst team ever rants!!

Who said they are the worst team ever? Maybe they are, I guess at the moment they are!

edit: i forgot to mention that cole got an extra game ban for not leaving the pitch early enough. (this must be a new rule as they imposed it on viera after the old T incident. funny how it only applys to arsenal ).

Who else refused to leave the pitch? I cannot remember any other player refusing like Cole and Viera.

Remember our Roy? He walked even before the ref got his card out. Surely he should have received one game less for that? (Roy ended up getting 8 game ban for the Haaland tackle.) (Banned twice for the same offence.)

Jank??? You've mispelled the first letter of your username!

Dustaz · 09-12-2003 12:38am

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter2
(Roy ended up getting 8 game ban for the Haaland tackle.) (Banned twice for the same offence.)

No, he was banned for admitting it was pre-meditated assault.

Arent you banned?

Mossy Monk · 09-12-2003 12:52am

Originally posted by Rodney Trotter2
There's still no explanation, and probably never will be, as to why so many of the charges against Ars (From the OT shenanigans) were dropped

:rolleyes: you make it sound like the beginning of WWIII

mr_angry · 09-12-2003 1:40am

What's Ashley Cole supposed to do, apart from apologise? Pay compensation or something? Get real guys - it was a bad tackle. Life goes on.

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