Quake3 performance

Spoonman

I have a celeron 450 and v2 (probably a typical system give or take a tnt) and q3 runs horrid slow, anyone else annoyed about or have experinced this (this is with all the tweaks)

SickBoy

I have a Celery 500 and a TNT2u and I only get 40 - 50 FPS in any setting(fastest, fast, Normal .....) I'm at a loss. Maybe its cause we were in INC? this is our punishment! Oh well...

Jimmy...

ButcherOfNog

i had some v2 (maxi) driver problems, which i got sorted yesterday (by dl the latest drivers from the guillemot site), got a nice 30% or so fps increase.

El_Presidente

try this config...


//Cient Settings
seta sex "male"
seta handicap "100"
seta color "1"
seta model "sarge"
seta snaps "20"
seta cl_nodelta "0"
seta rate "3000"
seta name "El_Pres"
seta cl_packetdup "0"
seta cl_maxpackets "30"
seta cl_pitchspeed "140"
seta cl_yawspeed " 140"
seta cl_cdkey "123456789"
seta com_blood "0"
seta com_maxfps "100"
seta net_socksPassword ""
seta net_socksUsername ""
seta net_socksPort "1080"
seta net_socksServer ""
seta net_socksEnabled "0"
seta net_noipx "0"
seta net_noudp "0"

//Server Settings
seta sv_maxRate "0"
seta sv_hostname "Sonicinizer"
seta vm_ui "0"
seta vm_game "0"
seta vm_cgame "0"


//Talk
bind e "messagemode4"
bind r "messagemode"
bind t "messagemode2"
bind w "messagemode3"


//General Stuff
bind TAB "+scores"
bind ENTER "+button2"
bind ESCAPE "togglemenu"
bind + "sizeup"
bind - "sizedown"
bind = "sizeup"
bind _ "sizedown"
bind \ "+button2"
bind ` "toggleconsole"
bind ~ "toggleconsole"
bind PAUSE "pause"
bind F1 "vote yes"
bind F2 "vote no"
bind F11 "screenshot"


//Sound Settings
seta s_occ_eq "0.75"
seta s_occfactor "0.5"
seta s_bloat "2.0"
seta s_numpolys "400"
seta s_polyreflectsize "10000000"
seta s_polysize "10000000"
seta s_polykeep "1000000000"
seta s_refdelay "2.0"
seta s_refgain "0.45"
seta s_leafnum "0"
seta s_max_distance "1000.0"
seta s_min_distance "3.0"
seta s_distance "100.0"
seta s_doppler "1.0"
seta s_rolloff "1.0"
seta s_mixPreStep "0.05"
seta s_mixahead "0.2"
seta s_loadas8bit "1"
seta s_khz "22"
seta s_separation "0.5"
seta s_musicvolume "0.25"
seta s_volume "0.7"
seta in_mididevice "0"
seta in_midichannel "1"
seta in_midiport "1"
seta in_midi "0"
seta com_introplayed "1"
s_loadas8bit "1"

//Graphics Settings
seta com_hunkMegs "20"
seta cg_viewsize "100"
seta cg_predictItems "1"
seta cg_drawfps "1"
seta cg_gibs "0"
seta cg_gun "0"
seta cg_draw3dicons "0"
seta cg_shadows "0"
seta cg_simpleitems "1"
seta cg_drawattacker "0"
seta cg_fov "111"
seta cg_marks "0"
seta cg_drawCrosshairNames "1"
seta cg_drawCrosshair "2"
seta cg_brassTime "0"
seta cg_drawgun "0"
seta vid_ypos "22"
seta vid_xpos "3"
seta r_primitives "0"
seta r_railSegmentLength "32"
seta r_railCoreWidth "6"
seta r_railWidth "16"
seta r_facePlaneCull "1"
seta r_gamma "1.30000"
seta r_swapInterval "0"
seta r_textureMode "GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_NEAREST"
seta r_finish "0"
seta r_dlightBacks "1"
seta r_dynamiclight "0"
seta r_drawSun "0"
seta r_fastsky "1"
seta r_ignoreGLErrors "1"
seta r_flares "0"
seta r_lodbias "2"
seta r_lodCurveError "250"
seta r_ignoreFastPath "1"
seta r_smp "0"
seta r_subdivisions "999"
seta r_vertexLight "1"
seta r_vertexlighting "1"
seta r_simpleMipMaps "1"
seta r_customaspect "1"
seta r_customheight "1024"
seta r_customwidth "1600"
seta r_fullscreen "1"
seta r_mode "3"
seta r_ignorehwgamma "0"
seta r_overBrightBits "1"
seta r_depthbits "0"
seta r_stencilbits "8"
seta r_stereo "0"
seta r_colorbits "16"
seta r_texturebits "0"
seta r_detailtextures "0"
seta r_preloadTextures "0"
seta r_roundImagesDown "1"
seta r_picmip "3"
seta r_ext_texture_env_add "1"
seta r_ext_compiled_vertex_array "1"
seta r_ext_multitexture "1"
seta r_ext_gamma_control "1"
seta r_ext_compress_textures "1"
seta r_allowExtensions "1"
seta r_glDriver "opengl32"
seta r_finish "0"
seta r_lodCurveError "250"
seta r_lodscale "5"
seta r_nocurves "1"
seta r_noportals "1"

TwoShedsJackson

I recommend a few changes to El Pres's config there.

Com_maxfps shouldnt be as high as 100, do a timedemo by typing 'timedemo 1' in the console, then 'demo demo002'. At the end of the playback have a look at the console to see your fps. Set your com_maxfps to 3-5 frames under the result. Setting it as high as 100 if your comp cannot manage anything near that will result in a lot of chop if theres a lot going on, as yer comp tries to keep up. Also in q3, more fps does NOT give an advantage, unlike in q1 and q2, cos its the snaps command that controls the number of world updates a second, and that cannot be over 40.

com_hunkmegs should be around 80% of your RAM, turn it up from 20 if you have over 32 Megs of RAM.

cg_predictitems I would suggest turning to 0, if at 1 its the server that decides if you have picked something up or not, so you may run into something then run off, but the server thinks you havent touched it at all. At 0 the client does this, which is much more accurate, I find.

btw I'm not dissing your config El-Pres, just a suggestion or two

El_Presidente

Hey, I got it from Sonic, I won't be too hurt if you want to change it.

Chaos

more fps does NOT give an advantage

Gota disagree there, its an fps and fps matters
try railing someone with a 20 fps then try it with 80

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amp

41.4 That good or bad?

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amp

Man I just checked, my baby is way underperforming, gotta whoop me some config ass

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TwoShedsJackson

I gotta disagree with you Chaos, more fps is no advantage in q3. More fps means a semmingly smoother conn at the client end, which is obviously better for the player, but it is Snaps which control updates, not fps. Of course the higher the fps the more it seems like real world movement, but someone with 80 fps has no advantage over 40fps, presuming both have Snaps at 40.

For a better explanation of this go to www.upsetchaps.com and check their q3 guide in the Public Library section.

Steven

Fps no advantage??? hahaha, ya rite man. Mouse movement is much harder to judge on a low fps, not to mention the headache you get while playin qw on a low spec pc, starin at 3-10 fps in a big CA game.
Oh yeah, it's official, the biggest post ever there by el_pres, congrats man .

[This message has been edited by Steven (edited 29-12-1999).]

Steven

Yay, i'm borg now

TwoShedsJackson

OK Steven, try reading my post again, where I basically said exactly what you said.

Chaos

dont mind all that bollo><s just use a puter with 80 fps then try play with 20. Then tell me your happy and capable of playing at a high standard.

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TwoShedsJackson

Oh dear God, ok let me put it this way, I am not advocating anyone play with low fps or that low fps is good. I am saying that it IS THE SNAPS COMMAND THAT CONTROLS THE RATE OF WORLD UPDATES and that FPS ONLY HAVE A BEARING ON THE APPARENT SMOOTHNESS OF THE GAME AT YOUR COMP. I am all in favour of high fps, in fact I've tweaked the hole off my q3 in an attempt to gain these hallowed high fps.

So to conclude, I am not trying to say that 20 fps is the same as 80 fps, I AM SAYING THAT YOU HAVING 80 FPS GIVES NO ADVANTAGE OVER SOMEONE WITH 20 FPS ASSUMING BOTH OF YOU HAVE SNAPS SET AT 40. As i beleive I already stated on several occasions.

Cake Fiend

Methinx someone with a smooth 80 fps, whatever the Snaps rate, probably has an advantage over someone playing at 20 fps and struggling to use the mouse properly while getting the sh1te blown out of them by someone jumping round the screen. Try using an RG at 20 fps.

BTW, what's all the malarky with borgs and redshirts? That got to do wiv clans or something?

TwoShedsJackson

Its the number of posts you have on the boards, the admins have some sort of bizarre Trekkie fetish

Chaos

Well why did u say "more fps does NOT give an advantage"

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m1ke

More fps gives doesn't give a connection advantage is what he's saying.

Besides, has anyone noticed the radical ping jumps in q3a. My pings at 50, I enter an rl fight it's at 80, I enter a fight with 5 eople on a really small level and it's 160, odd. And all the hpbs on the server seemed to jump from 150 - 250 or so abouts.

Spoonman

What kind of machines are yous getting 80fps constant with q3 anyways. yes I get 140 ping in q3 but when I move it shoots upto 300, wtf am I doing wrong...

MindPhuck

Have to agree with Caster there. The Com_maxFps makes a huge diference to your lag and how smooth your connection is. The higher your fps obviously makes things nicer for the user to play with, but it gives no advantage over a player with 40 fps, (or 40 snaps on the server), ie. that a 40 fps player can see more than the 80 fps player can over the net.

Donno if im coming accross right here, but belive me, the snaps size from the server makes a huge difference and makes it alot more fairer.

TinCool

Haven't really messed around with the config for q3 yet, hell, still using the wheelmouse to change weapons.

anyways, got myself one of those geforce annihilator pros ddr job there b4 christmas, mmmm shiney metal. Anyways, on a celery500, 64mbs ram (gettin more today), 800x600 and all the fancy graphics stuff on i'm hitting 60 fps which isn't all that great either.

And as far as ping ? bah, getting the same thing as spoonman, decent enuf when i'm just standing there twidling my thumbs but when my hand gets anywhere in the vacinty of the mouse up it jumps to 250-300.

Lag is difficult to compensate for in q3 it seems. Q2, u know when you've got a crap conn and u can compensate to great effect but q3 seems to be a lot harder to do this. Probably due to castor's point of that command u set to 40.

anyways, back to the slog

Sonic

good lad el pres i see u like my config , 1 made some small adjustments since i got the full game from santa

seta r_subdivisions "100" above this on some levels leads to textures dissapearing and walls becoming see through *ahem*

btw at the time i didnt know anything about connetion tweaks, but i dont give a toss roll on t1


[This message has been edited by Sonic (edited 30-12-1999).]

Gerry

Well on my p3 450 clocked at 540 and a pci
banshee i get a constant 90 fps with full
texture detail and lightmap turned off.
( at 640 * 480 of course) with sonics config
i get a constant 100 fps. of course in a big
battle with bots or on a lan it drops to
75-80.
timedemo 001 89fps
timedemo 002 92 fps


BTW, does anyone know how to make q3 playable
on the net, ie as playable as qw?