qw cheaters

Suds

tbh was gonna stay outa this one, but how about a comp to see how far the server can be fooled ?

Shinji vs Koopa round 1

Koopa must program a checksum to stop hackers
Shinji must program a hack which beats koopas unknown checksum...

Go for it lads..

This arguement has got to be better than QW anydays

Koopa

shinji it will be HARDER to simulate qizmo behaviour (because you dont have qizmo source code, and its packed) than it would be to simulate quake3.exe's behaviour .. that is all i was interested in, achieving the SAME level of hack-protection as they had before the source was released

maybe you should actually have a look at qizmo before you go around making assumptions to its behaviour
http://qizmo.sci.fi/

download it, hack it, and then come to me
(im not saying its unhackable, im just saying its a **** load harder to hack than qwcl.exe ever was, and even quake3.exe)

if you get beyond the point where qizmo says winapi sucks, congratulations, you just made it past the first step.

oh yes, so there chaos

Koopa

there is another bit, if someone types "f_server" on the server, your qizmo has to reply with a series of letters, its some sort of checksum.. breaking that would need you to have disassembled qizmo fully in the first place
example replies to f_server are:
d83f39cf -> 09f1db3b
where EVERYONE on that particular server should respond with the same output, so its fairly easy to see if someones using a hack (it was originally meant to be a form of proxy-aimbot detection)

a lot more effort than hacking any of the quake/2/3 exe's no?

"Mull that one over" - i think ive answered that question

[This message has been edited by Koopa (edited 04-01-2000).]

Skulka

Stumbled on this site: http://www.quakelives.cjb.net/

"The basic principle of this is to allow online gaming of QuakeWorld players to continue in a structured and still fun manner that's currently impossible with the freely distributed release of the quake source code."

Worth a look?

Shinji

Koopa m8, you wouldn't need to touch the Qizmo source code, or unpack it or anything. All you need to know is what responses it sends to the server... Or how to confuse its checksum, not a difficult thing at all. After all, how often does it check qwcl.exe for being ok? Once only at startup, I'll wager. So how difficult to write a program that replaces a chunk of the EXE halfway through? Not difficult at all, if you know what you're doing...

SheroN

I don't play QW....so its funny....the care can't been seen on my face...simply coz its not there...not there...i said

DEATH

ooooh new proxy an server to stop ye cheatin scum.

http://www.quakelives.com/html/news/news.html

Slosh

DEF U ARE THE MONEY!!!!!! Expect all servers to be upgraded b4 the end of the month...

Slosh.

Havok.old

OK. Lets finally put something to rest. Half-Life (is NOT Poxy buddy) started out as Quake 1 engine project (i.e. HL was started well before Q2 was finished). However, Valve decided that they would be better off using some of the Quake 2 engine stuff as well. Half-Life is a mixture of the Quake and Quake 2 engines. IT USES BOTH ENGINES! IT IS NEITHER THE QUAKE OR THE QUAKE 2 ENGINE ON ITS OWN.
CAPICE! Anyone who wants to argue with that is asking me to get my 'Shinebox' out... not to mention several magazine articles from PCGamer and PCFormat. So don't F**K with me.
I know my stuff.

[This message has been edited by Havok (edited 06-01-2000).]

H_K

haha i'm bitter ?
no i was just pointing out your airheaded ways, which is fact, not opinion.
****.

H_K

haha i'm bitter ?
no i was just pointing out your airheaded ways, which is fact, not opinion.
****.

H_K

haha i'm bitter ?
no i was just pointing out your airheaded ways, which is fact, not opinion.
****.

H_K

haha i'm bitter ?
no i was just pointing out your airheaded ways, which is fact, not opinion.
****.

DEATH

Faegrie?

H_K

get the message?
that shouldnt have happened, not chaos will think hes mad cool cos he started a mad long thread

Chaos

Fs howd u know

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Ps 0wns U

H_K

was that 'fagry' or 'faggotry' death ?

DEATH

neither it was Faegrie.

You Faegrie.

H_K

g3y

Asuka

lol death

and hk thanx for proving whos the airhead
ive seen messgaes posted twice, ive even seen a topic posted twice, but ive *never* seen someone manage to post a message four times by accident

Asuka

H_K

asuka i think by saying that it proves your the airhead !!! with your head up in the clouds we dont all have nice fast connections like you (fast being modem).
llama

Asuka

Ahh HK, mine is the slowest connection in the galaxy
But still i only feel the need to press the button once

How do you connect so if not through a modem?
Do you dial the isp on your phone and make funny beeping noises at it?
Thats kinda awkward, isnt it?

You muppet

Asuka

H_K

ehh muppet ?
usually when netscape is on 20bytes per second for a while and then says [stalled], i USUALLY try again.And when netscape freezes and nothin will work cos the proxy im connected thru, along with the stupid firewall is being stupid, i tend to press things that extra time to get things running smoothly.
llama
YOU ME DUEL1 NOW, ohh wait im behind a firewall and id get a 2000 ping anyway!
ubber muppet

H_K

ps. gooooooo john

Asuka

Ahhh quit i couldnt be bothered arguing anymore

Anyway, even if you did have a 2000 ping youd still beat me

Im BRUTAL

Asuka

Chaos

getting even bigger now, work it!

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Ps 0wns U

H_K

shaddap ye g00n

Chaos

you still in boston?
if so when u back?

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Ps 0wns U

DEATH

Chaos your attempt at a long thread wont work.

DEATH

oh no it will not work i tell ye!

Chaos

oh yes it will....

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Ps 0wns U

H_K

or will it ?:/
seriouslt tho cheatings bad !

Monty - the one and only

Do you ever have the feeling that this topic has died and become something completely different?

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Monty - the one and only

do you ever have the feeling that a topic has died and become something completely diferent???

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"Respect my Authoratai"

Vincent

The End

Asuka

Vincent - I am totally in agreement

Its time for this topic to be closed
If ppl have still stuff to say, post a new topic called 'qw cheaters (continued)'

It makes sense (not like some of the posts )

Asuka