Gasto Vans (not a happy Camper)

tech · 18-12-2003 9:58am #1

OK I went passed a lovely Transit van that flashed at me this morning, I know ive been caught, how do I collect / recieve my 2 points? ,,,, is there a back door in the system still ??

Gmodified · 18-12-2003 11:05am

you will receive the fine by post

tunney · 18-12-2003 2:52pm

HA HA! Shouldn't have been speeding!

Seth Brundle · 18-12-2003 11:23pm

Do you mind me asking where this was?
Was it a dual carriageway?
Were you much over the limit?
Was your speed inappropriate for the road (& environmental conditions)?

(before the anti-speeders crucify me, I am not condoning speeding - Im just condeming the current speed trap policy)

mike65 · 18-12-2003 11:27pm

If you are not speeding you won't get trapped, and yes I know its annoying to get busted for doing 34 in a 30
but thats the law...

Mike.

Seth Brundle · 18-12-2003 11:59pm

thats not my point - the Gardai are targeting the safer roads and not the more dangerous (statistically) raods.
Take the Lucan Bypass, notorious for traps yet the only accident I am aware of is one that the Gardai caused

mike65 · 19-12-2003 12:04am

Fair point - I was on the south ring going into Limerick which is new dual-carrigway and as ever there was a car with camera gun positoned in the central median on a straight stretch picking off targets...amazingly ppl actually manage to get caught along there...

Mike.

Silvera · 19-12-2003 12:59am

I agree with kbannon.

The Gatso van is regularly parked near SDS on the Naas Rd, near Newlands Cross.
'Shooting fish in a barrel' comes to mind !

I reckon they also park there because they are too lazy to drive any further than Newlands Cross (i.e. it's convenient for them to do a U-turn at Newlands and head back to Dublin Castle).

Fabritzo · 19-12-2003 1:22am

Is it a regular garda van, white in colour?

Our man in Havana · 19-12-2003 2:57am

Originally posted by Fabritzo
Is it a regular garda van, white in colour?

No.

Its a high roof transit, white and there is a green one aswell. No markings at all. Look at the right hand side back window where you will see the camera.

sceptre · 19-12-2003 3:15am

Originally posted by Silvera
The Gatso van is regularly parked near SDS on the Naas Rd, near Newlands Cross.

Newlands Cross... is that around where Bewley's hotel is?

RicardoSmith · 19-12-2003 4:06am

Some would say speed traps are not to slow you down on the dangerous bits ONLY. But are to encourage drivers to stay within the speed limits ALL the time, everywhere.

Seth Brundle · 19-12-2003 7:54am

@ RicardoSmith - some may say that but I haven't met anyone who believes it.

GerardKeating · 19-12-2003 8:55am

Originally posted by kbannon
thats not my point - the Gardai are targeting the safer roads and not the more dangerous (statistically) raods.

One could argue that drivers whom speed on housing estates/backroads etc are also likley to speed on the by-passes/motorways etc, so does it really matter where they catch the speeders.

Of course the many drivers whom only speed on "safe" roads will suffer from this policy...

seamus · 19-12-2003 10:26am

Originally posted by GerardKeating
One could argue that drivers whom speed on housing estates/backroads etc are also likley to speed on the by-passes/motorways etc, so does it really matter where they catch the speeders.

Of course the many drivers whom only speed on "safe" roads will suffer from this policy...

I put a post up recently (maybe it was on Commuting/Transport) about "acceptable risk". Although it might sound logical, research finds that it's not necessarily the same people who speed all the time.

Besides, everybody speeds somewhere. Having designated speed trap areas is ridiculous, since people will then get to know the areas, and avoid speeding there. For example, everyone in Dublin knows that the road between the Red Cow r/a and Citywest has a pretty high risk factor for getting caught. Ditto for the section of N81 between the Templeogue Bridge and the Balrothery Interchange.

I would much prefer to see random areas. Stick Gardai on arsehole-of-nowhere backroads, right on a corner, on a slight downhill. Catch everyone... If you get it into drivers' heads that there could be a Gatso or speedie around any corner, a lot of people will cop on. In the current system, the only people who cop on are those who've been caught.

Merrion · 19-12-2003 10:34am

It won't be too long before the mix of GPS and tachograph type technology takes the whole thing out of the camera's hands and your car will shop you for speeding. Th etechnology will probably be introduced as a "fairer way of charging road tax by number of miles driven" or some such....

ColinM · 19-12-2003 10:47am

Originally posted by Merrion
It won't be too long before the mix of GPS and tachograph type technology takes the whole thing out of the camera's hands and your car will shop you for speeding. Th etechnology will probably be introduced as a "fairer way of charging road tax by number of miles driven" or some such....

Yeah, you're right - this is almost certainly how it will happen. I remember reading that it was being seriously considered in the UK.

Anyone who thinks that speed traps are not about making money first, and road safety a distinct second is extremely naive. In fact, it's a non-argument. At least in the UK, the local authorities admit that their primary purpose are as a source of revenue.

tunney · 19-12-2003 11:44am

Besides, everybody speeds somewhere

Bull. Not everyone speeds. I don't.

Ditto for the section of N81 between the Templeogue Bridge and the Balrothery Interchange.

Why are you moaning about speed traps there? Do you know the number of people that have been killed there?

ColinM · 19-12-2003 12:12pm

Originally posted by tunney
Bull. Not everyone speeds. I don't.

Bull yourself!

Do you do 30 or less in a 30 zone always?

Yeah?

Bull!

tunney · 19-12-2003 12:19pm

Do you do 30 or less in a 30 zone always?

Yeah I do, when I'm driving.

Once you understand the difference 5-10 mph makes in an accident with a pedestrian/cyclist you do slow down and abide by the limits. Yes it painfully slow at times but whats 10 minutes of my time compared to not killing someone?

seamus · 19-12-2003 12:23pm

Originally posted by tunney
Bull. Not everyone speeds. I don't.

Arse. You're fooling yourself.

Why are you moaning about speed traps there? Do you know the number of people that have been killed there?

I'm not moaning about speed traps there. It's just another place where speed traps are predictable. (Yes, people go slowly there now because of it, but once past Balrothery, people speed again.) What's the point in that?

tunney · 19-12-2003 12:35pm

Arse. You're fooling yourself.

I couldn't give a toss if you believe me or not. I don't speed full stop.

It's just another place where speed traps are predictable

Sorry, just realised that I confused the one you were talking about with the ones before/after the spawell.

[CrimsonGhost] · 19-12-2003 12:43pm

Eh tunney you were previously talking about speeding your push bike. ie doing more than 30 in a 30 mph zone. Stop getting all self-righteous about it.

Originally posted by tunney
Yeah I do, when I'm driving.

Once you understand the difference 5-10 mph makes in an accident with a pedestrian/cyclist you do slow down and abide by the limits. Yes it painfully slow at times but whats 10 minutes of my time compared to not killing someone?

tunney · 19-12-2003 12:48pm

Mah, the odds of killing someone on a push-bike other than yourself are slim to none. The odds of killing someone in a car are much greater.

Anyway I'm not being self-righteous about it, someone made a broad sweeping incorrect statement and I was simply pointing out that he was wrong.

Kali · 19-12-2003 1:12pm

Originally posted by tunney
Mah, the odds of killing someone on a push-bike other than yourself are slim to none. The odds of killing someone in a car are much greater.

tell that to the lad who smacked by a courier coming the wrong way down lower baggot st... and died, countless other serious incidents occur from similar accidents (pedestrian steps out on a one-way road looking towards traffic and gets knocked down by a cyclist coming the wrong way).

Our man in Havana · 19-12-2003 1:12pm

I was reading that all the van traps in the UK require advance signage even if they are just temp signs. The UK police were found to be in breach of european law and had to mark every camera trap.

I am researching this judgement with a view to see if it can be applied to Ireland.

tunney · 19-12-2003 1:15pm

Advance signage is ridiculous and anyone who insists on it should be given penalty points just for being such a selfish pr**k.

seamus · 19-12-2003 1:22pm

Originally posted by tunney
Advance signage is ridiculous and anyone who insists on it should be given penalty points just for being such a selfish pr**k.

I tend to agree, but I'm a great advocate of erecting signs, even if there are no speed traps in the area.

Preventing people speeding is better than catching them speeding.

tribble · 19-12-2003 1:31pm

It won't be too long before the mix of GPS and tachograph type technology takes the whole thing out of the camera's hands and your car will shop you for speeding. Th etechnology will probably be introduced as a "fairer way of charging road tax by number of miles driven" or some such....

Can you spell Orwell?

It's one thing having to account for your movements on request - but having ALL
movements on a database is a totalitarian nightmare.

tribble

ando · 19-12-2003 1:41pm

Originally posted by Fabritzo
Is it a regular garda van, white in colour?

far left

Our man in Havana · 19-12-2003 2:09pm

Originally posted by ando

far left

Where was that?

Seems to be overkill with Gatso on one side and bikes on the other. Typical revenue gathering activity.:mad:

Gasto Vans (not a happy Camper)

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