Rio is he guilty??

jank

http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1-1115931,00.html


well we shall eventually see what will happen to rio about this "forgetfull mistake"
3 months sounds about right
The FA have to take a stand against players who cheat the system however it should have been resolved long ago
Nice timing for utd though with wes brown coming back and the january window around the corner also rio will also be eligable for the euro champs and the season run in

howver it remains to be seen if he will get the ban at all

jonno

So it started this morning.

The fear is that he will be made an example of and be banned for a lengthy amount of time.

What do ye think will be the outcome?

What does he deserve?

jank

talk abput timing lol

just started a poll on this

Sherlock

Hes definitely guilty of not taking a drugs test but I have no idea if hes guilty of taking drugs.

jonno

I was wondering why there was nothing up about it and now there's too.

Feel free to do yer thing there mods:)

Villain

Originally posted by jonno
The fear is that he will be made an example of and be banned for a lengthy amount of time.

Well thats what should happen, sorry but if this was any other sport he would have been banned straight away, missing a test is the same as failing it.

I'm not saying I agree with that but thats the rules, you can't go bending them because he plays for united and england

kida

I think the biggest factor in his defence is precedence - a man city player(Christian Negouai) got away with a fine for missing a test.

This is the reason I think that even if he is banned united might go to a law court as the FA could not be seen to punish a player more severly just becuase FIFA want it.

The FA have to prove refusal and not failure to make a more severe case stick.

jonno

He's guilty of failing to take the drugs test

But as to whether he was hiding something we'll probably never know. If his story is true and he genuienly forgot and then tried to make it back then fair enough but if he was hiding something he should get the neccesary ban.

The problem is that will he get a fair trial after all that has gone on in the media before the trial started. Like even FIFA had their say. Alot of people reckon footie drugs crimes aren't dealt with properly sp could Rio be the man to make an example of?????

cournioni

I see that the ABU's are out in force for this poll. :rolleyes:

jonhate

Man hei s guilty of being innocent.

They shouldn't ban unless guilty of taking drugs...Like players before who have but got away with.

Villain

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I see that the ABU's are out in force for this poll. :rolleyes:

No just he is guilty, what part of him admitting he's guilty of failing to take a drugs test don't you understand????:rolleyes:

Xterminator

There is no question he is guilty of failing to take a drugs test.

The fact he probably never took drugs is irrerelvant.

If he is allowed off with a slap on the wrist, then its open season for all drugs cheats to 'forget' their tests, rush off take dieuretics to flush their systems, perhaps do that thing where they extract all their urine with a needle, and inject 'clean' urine, and then go back and take the test when the evidence has been tampered.

The only way to prevent this is to treat a failure to test, the same failing a test.

I have sympathy for Rio, but the good of the game is more important than Rio or ManU. And i think that anyone who cannot see this is biased.

X

cournioni

But to say that he is a "cheating bastard" isn't exactly right either. Is it?

Villain

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
But to say that he is a "cheating bastard" isn't exactly right either. Is it?

Well maybe it could be phased better but he is guilty

BaZmO*

Firstly. What an absolutely ignorant way to start a thread!!

Do you think rio should be banned??

Yes he is a cheating b*****d!

NO way its a storm in a tea cup

My five year old nephew could ask a more structured question!!

Secondly. In answer to the thread title “Rio is he guilty??” That’s like asking is Christina Aguilera a slapper? Of course he’s guilty. He doesn’t dispute that, his Manager doesn’t dispute and the FA certainly don’t.
Rio’s hearing has nothing to do with the fact of whether he’s guilty or not, (he is), it’s to do with whether the FA think he has acceptable grounds for having missed the test. He will be given a ban, that’s a definite! How long? Well that’ll be up to the FA. I’d say he’ll be given a 3 month ban.


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jank

ok maybe i could have been a bit more PC here but i did it on purpose

this soccer thread needs some humor and people need to relax and stop nit picking over the way a guy stuctures a sentance or a topic

funny how the utd supporters pick up on it yet everybody else doesnt really mind
maybe there getting the arsenal bug of being victimised but refuse to comment on why the hearing has taken almost 3 MONTHS and makes perfect timing with lack of injuries etc
oh but no
they tell me to go away and get english lessons

remember humor guys!?

ill prob get slated for this buts what new!?

SteM

Originally posted by Xterminator
If he is allowed off with a slap on the wrist, then its open season for all drugs cheats to 'forget' their tests, rush off take dieuretics to flush their systems, perhaps do that thing where they extract all their urine with a needle, and inject 'clean' urine, and then go back and take the test when the evidence has been tampered.

The only way to prevent this is to treat a failure to test, the same failing a test.

I have sympathy for Rio, but the good of the game is more important than Rio or ManU. And i think that anyone who cannot see this is biased.

X

Not true. The best way forward on this would be to fine him the same way the FA fined the Man City player. Then bring in a proper RULE saying if you miss a drugs test it's the same as failing one - it gets you a minimum 3 months ban. There's nothing like this in the FA rule book at the moment.

It would not be open season because a proper rule would be in place to stop stuff like this happening. There is none and that's the FAs fault, it should ave been brought in after what happened with tne Man City player but the FA just shut their eyes over it and now Rio is going to pay.

I don't think he deserves a ban based on how this situation was handled in the past but he's gonna be made an example of. There's too many outside influences focusing on the case for him not to get a ban now.

kida

Uniteds high paid Lawyers could have a field day with this.

TwoShedsJackson

Except they won't as FIFA's articles include one stating something along the lines of 'disciplinary rulings and punishments may not be appealed or challenged in civil courts of law'.

Olimpia in South America tried this on a similar case over a banned player, and eventually had to back down when threatened with expulsion from the Copa Libertadores.

I doubt United would risk being slung out of the Champion's League over this.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Fupp the Champion's League, they could be flung out of fifa and thus th premiership too as the premiership is run by an affiliate of FIFa.

For all of those interested, in the statutes of the game, pages 36 40 may be the articles that apply. Court of arbitration for sport is the next step if they do not agree with the decision made in the RIOGATE case.

SteM

I reckon that if he only gets 3 months United will do a bit of posturing but will leave it at that. Wes Brown will be back soon and Rio will be back before the end of the season so it won't be a disaster.

kmart6

I'd say he is going to get 3 month's.I don't see what the big deal is,wow he missed a drug test,so what he came back a few hours later to take it,there's no way he could have got any drug's out of his system that quickly

SAXA

Look Rio is guilty but of what ??

Is it forgetting to take the test or worse refusal to take the test !!! There is abig difference. Also the FA tester in question was a 24 part timer who was supposed to stay with Rio at all times thats his job. Same thing with Nicky Butt who was allowed to go to the club cantine unsupervised on the day of a test.

The FA will have to have a long look at their testing procedures. They are not sqeaky clean here either which is why they prob cannot give a longer ban than 3 months

Villain

Originally posted by SAXA
Look Rio is guilty but of what ??

Is it forgetting to take the test or worse refusal to take the test !!! There is abig difference. Also the FA tester in question was a 24 part timer who was supposed to stay with Rio at all times thats his job. Same thing with Nicky Butt who was allowed to go to the club cantine unsupervised on the day of a test.

The FA will have to have a long look at their testing procedures. They are not sqeaky clean here either which is why they prob cannot give a longer ban than 3 months

He IS GUILTY OF FAILING TO TAKE THE TEST, and he admiits that, fact!

BKtje

dont think saxo was disputing his guilt over missing the drugs test.

i think it would be harsh to ban him for longer than 3 months without some sort of additional proof.

Btw this isnt South America, im fairly sure the EU's equal rights laws would cover this.
I dunno how equal rights laws are in S America.
One player gets fined while another gets a lengthy bans because of the club he plays for/who he is/ more media pressure.

Im no lawyer and if theres one on the boards id appreciate if this was cleared up but i imagine that FIFA could get a hefty fine if they dont accept Rio Ferdinands rights as a human being. Especially the one to fair/equal treatment.

If a company is found to have dismissed someone over who they are afaik they are forced to rehire (not that many people wanna go back to a company that did that btw). Then again man u is a business and not an individual so i dunno where they'd stand. As i said id like a more professional opinion as i could be speaking pure tripe.

Guess i should paid more attention in Business for the Leaving cert.

BTW: i aint gonna vote as he is guilty but im not gonna call him a cheating bastard either. This isnt the humour board and if you want an unbiased and accurate pole then you need to put everything accross properly.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by kmart6
I'd say he is going to get 3 month's.I don't see what the big deal is,wow he missed a drug test,so what he came back a few hours later to take it,there's no way he could have got any drug's out of his system that quickly

All he has to do is get a mate to piss in a tube for him and he can then fill the other tube up in the toilet with his mates urine.

Originally posted by B-K-DzR
i think it would be harsh to ban him for longer than 3 months without some sort of additional proof.
Then, everybody who thinks they are guilty can go out and get a sample of someone else's urine knowing that he will only get 3 months. There is no proof he has taken anything.

The testers came to United's training ground and told Rio and 3 other players that they had to take a test, they were allowed shower first. Seriously, how the hell could he forget to take the test? I really think he was guilty or thought he was and went out of the training ground to get a clean sample off his mates. He then rang up the FA blokes and asked to get it done then.
The big question is, if the three other players were taking showers what was Rio doing to make him forget to take the test? Simple, He didn't forgot, it would be actually hard to forget.

jEt|Dino

i bet the coke he took is gonna be worth the 3 month ban

BaZmO*

The thing that boggles me is why did they have to give him a Dope Test?? Everybody knows that he's a dope, you don't need him to sit a test to find that out!!!!

kida

Apparently the latest rumours are that United are challenging that the FA testers did not follow procedures
i.e.
He did not meet Rio off the training pitch, follow him to the toilet, watch him give the sample.

Robbo

Originally posted by kida
Apparently the latest rumours are that United are challenging that the FA testers did not follow procedures
i.e.
He did not meet Rio off the training pitch, follow him to the toilet, watch him give the sample.

It was in the Guardian this morning.

Big Ears

just to make things clear he took the test 36 hours later (source :sky sports new)

ZENER

To be honest I think his fate is sealed, FIFA want an example made of him. The FA of course will be to afraid of upsetting FIFA to find Rio innocent. I think he will get a ban and a fine will be issued against Man U.

We will probably see a reality TV show based on this whole incident next year, The guy who came up with the idea of Big Brother is a shareholder in united so he will probably secure the rights to it !!:D


Tinky

ZENER

An absolute fuc*ing joke !!!

8 months and 50 grand, they are using him to push home a point. A very unfair result . . very unfair considering the city player that only got a 2000 quid fine for exactly the same offense. I'm shocked!

:mad: :mad:

Tinky