Penelty Point Success

Victor

Originally posted by Kell
You also view speed as being the greatest evil of all in this debate, yet do you have a problem with Autobahns in Germany where there is no speed limit and far fewer accidents? All the people driving those roads are drivin the same cars as us, so do they also fall into your all encompassing category of being unable and unfit to drive at such a speed? Do you also assume that I am nineteen and am on a first provisional? If the answer is yes, then your assumptions do what the old addage mean them to and you are vastly mistaken.

There is no Autobahn to Longford and as far I remember, Germany has higher road death rates than us.

star gazer

Penalty points worked because the perception was, that if you speed you will get points, if you collect six do not pass go, go straight to suspension from driving. The Gardaí didn't have the resources and the system wasn't compuiterised. Almost all the lives saved were saved in the first few months of the introduction. It is a great pity that the implementation wasn't up to the initial success of the new system.

Victor

Compared to 1998 - 2002, 2003 worked out as follows

Jan	Record low
Feb	Record low
Mar	Above Average
Apr	Well Below Average
May	Near record high
Jun	Near record high
Jul	Record low - but still very high
Aug	Record low - but still very high
Sep	Record low
Oct	Average - but still very high
Nov	Average - but still very high
Dec	Record low

Total	Record low (historical)

sci0x

Good to see its working.
Any ideas how many ppl have already lost all 12 penalty points, if any?

sceptre

Zero so far denis.

Three or four people have 10 though. Heavy betting a while back that the first person with 12 was going to be from Waterford but no developments there yet either.

sci0x

Oh thats good to hear. The guards are very strict!.

My principle who nver broke the limit in his life was pulled over and asked for his license (or something). And he couldnt provide it so he drove away with 2 points taken from him. He drove down the road and found it so he returned to the guard with it thinking the guard would take off the 2 points again. However he was not wearing his seatbelt when he returned and had 2 more points deducted from him hehe.

Victor

Originally posted by sci0x
Oh thats good to hear. The guards are very strict!.

Hardly - they are handing them out at a rate of about one ticket per Garda per month.

dahamsta

Redefining "success", especially for Cork.

Penalty points system flaw undermines success claim

18/01/04 00:00

By Sean Mac Carthaigh
The government has admitted that no one has been tasked with obtaining crucial statistics on the drivers' penalty points system.

This means it has no accurate way to assess whether it is having any effect on road deaths.

Meanwhile, The Sunday Business Post has established that, while a massive 27 per cent of all penalty points are being imposed on Dublin drivers, just 13 per cent of road deaths occur in the capital.

This undermines the correlation between the dangerous driving that attracts penalty points and the fatal accidents the system is designed to curb.

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Victor

Meanwhile, The Sunday Business Post has established that, while a massive 27 per cent of all penalty points are being imposed on Dublin drivers, just 13 per cent of road deaths occur in the capital.

A biased piece of journalism if I've ever seen one, typical of the SBP and just highlights the ability of journalists to only see one statisitic in an entire book.

Part of the problem is that the system hasn't been extended fully to account fo rdefective vehicle, dangerous driving etc. Dublin actually suffers one of the highest accident rates - it's just that they aren't fatal - it would be interesting to see how the percentages affect overall qulity of life. This follows a sustained campaign by the local authorities in the county to discourage traffic away from inappropriate roads, previously fatal accidents are now injury accidents. From 1997-2001 Dublin City **only** accounted for **all** of the deaths reductions in the entire **country**.

Victor

Further discussion and a wordy rebuke from me.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=135924