Duras sisters Still allive?

User45701

Im not saying they are still allive.
I would like to point out that the destruction of there BOP (Bird of Prey) was the same sequence used in the previes star Trek filim (Star Trek VI)

When the BOP exploded you can see a small sphercial object (escape pod) jetison from the botom of the ship - It is possible that orginaly they had planed for chang or duras sisters to surive

Or it is simply a peice of reckage that looks like something it is not because klingons would have no real use for escape pods.

bus77

hope the sisters are still kickin.Was real sorry to see them go in the film
I think it was a mistake to kill em off, hopefully they see the light and bring em back in some form or another

ykt0di9url7bc3

All in all I thought it was a good film...usually in Star trek films it gives a complete story, Bad guys die or peace is achieved...yadda yadda

Shame to see characters finish but it was good while it lasted....

User45701

Ye I supose they where quite good.
Klingons life span is quite long isent it?
over 130 anyway.

I supose most klingons die young with hounner but klingons like Korn (is it Korn?) The Dah`ar master are such good fighters that they do live a long time

bizmark

the duras are well dead the torp hit the bop's bridge with out sheilds no one can life true that

User45701

ah but the thing is there is about a 3 secons gap between the bridge seen and then the torp hitting. Easley enough time for a site-site transport.

In thery

bizmark

you mean the 2 seconds while they are looking at each other and then the ship explodeing....i couldnt say "the" in that time never mind program a transporter

Their dead thats it theirs no way around it

The_Bullman

either that of they died of starvation on that planet.

User45701

good point they would have starved

Back to my other point then mabe chang or atleast the blueprints or the prototype BOP surived in that escape pod from his ship cause it is the same scene.

bizmark

you seen the fireball comeing towords chang hes dead 2

User45701

Hol on on that 1 bismark we have all sen that movie and all the movies countless times

chang says "to be or not to be" the ship is hit, it de-cloaks then after about 10 seconds it is destroyed. that is plently of time to get to a escape pod. He is probley dead yes but mabe the plans for the Prototype where on the escape pod

In all reality i would say it is simply debree as oposed to a escape pod but it does look suspicasly sphercial.

bizmark

He was killed it hit the bridge and their was a big fireball that ingulfed the bridge .....hes dead.............i douth they would of keept the plans on the ship so ya more than likely they still have the plans....That or the cloak was from the romulans and the scimitars cloak was simply a better version....Remember the romulans where part of that plot to kill the klingon pres ?

User45701

True I did wonder about the Scemitar but 1 would wonder how come the romulans havent tried to develp a phase cloak like the federation

bizmark

Romulans are like china their big and have big ships/miliitry but technology wise their not up to the standers of the fed (who could be considered the USA or EU)

thats how i see it anyway

User45701

Well it has been mentioned may times before that the romulan sensors and weapons are equiel that of the federations.

There cloaks give them a hudge advantage but in reality cloaking just wouldent be effective

bizmark

Warbird weapions arent ment to be a match for a ship 1/2 it size (galaxy) the rommys also lack burst fire torpedo launchers.

and their warbirds where being wiped out by the founders (B&B said that) so much in fact that b&b suggested that their where different versions of the Warbird some more well armed that the others

Also look at the valdour about the same size of a sovy but totaly infairor to it

User45701

True howeaver romulan phase disrupters or usefull

Here is a question you might be able to help me with bismarck

Federation anti-matter torps can be fired at warp
Can Roumaln plasma torps be fired at warp?

bizmark

Dont think so in tos the enterprise was able to simply outrun them.......and in all star trek outings we never seen a warbird fire anything at warp...Maybe their totaly unable to

User45701

Well that would prove that the federagtion technolgy is better but the romulans counter that with the treaty of (whats the rom/fed treaty called? i cant rem) that treaty prevents the federation from develping cloak technolgy

bizmark

Cloak isnt that big a deal tbh .....each ship is at a disadvanage wither its the feddy ship being sneke attacked or the romy ship uncloaking with out sheilds or cloaking with out sheilds.....Its only really useful for scouting and covert ops

and i cant remember the treaty name

User45701

I keep thinking the treaty of algeron but as i recall that might be the name of a planet in Star Wars

Was it the kittiomar Accords? - That was the Klingon / Federation pease wasent it

bizmark

ya that was the klingon/feddy peace talks /treaty

treaty of algeron sounds right though

User45701

It is right but is there a planet in Star Wars called Algeron or am i just getting confused from lack of sleap?

bizmark

:dunno: i havent gone to bed yet either....jesus where slackers

Anyway ya i think its that planet that the death star destroyed ......doesnt mean it cant be the name of the treaty though

User45701

ah i rememberd the planet they destroyed was Alderan
The treaty was called AlGeran both very simmilar

mcgarnicle

ah i rememberd the planet they destroyed was Alderan
The treaty was called AlGeran both very simmilar

Yep except one is a treaty and the other is a planet

User45701

ye well obsivaly i ment they sound simmilar

mcgarnicle

was a joke

User45701

i know

Woden

i also think it to be the treaty of algeron, and then we had that good episode of TNG with your man trying to get around the treaty called the pegasus i think it was.

the cloak does give the romulans an advantage they can sneak attack not just useful for scouting and covert ops, if the federation didn't think the cloak much use they never would have bothered there asses getting it for the defiant.

what was the special agreement that allowed them violate the treaty is the treaty only applicable in the alpha quadrant? if so are the romulans in the alpha quadrant? as i think the klingons are in the near beta quadrant not sure though

User45701

The romulans gave the defiant the cloak under the conditions it could ONLY be used in the gamma quadrent. It was violated several times.

The Star Trek map has always been confusing, there have been so many.
To the best of my knolage earth is more less centerd on the alpha /beta border. in the beta quadrent oposite them is the romulan empire and above the romulan empire is the klingon empire. In the oposite diriction is the cardassion union and Bajor

bizmark

Rommies and klingons are in the beta quad the federasion is in both the alpha and beta quad (or thats whats beleaved)

Woden

hmm those star charts would be useful now eh bizmark?

bizmark

aye

Woden

damn i'm good

http://trekguide.com/alpha.htm
http://trekguide.com/beta.htm
http://trekguide.com/gamma.htm
http://trekguide.com/delta.htm

bizmark

Their super non - cannon though

Woden

so will the star charts be so it doesn't matter really

User45701

But in reality we dont know exeatly how vast borg or dominion space is so there not that accurate. Also the Krenim we dont know how vast there space is because we didnt get to see a map of there space after the final temperal incursion.

I loved the Devore imperiam.

bizmark

the Devore are only ment to have like 10 sectors thats only 200 light years in total

federasion is ment to be 8,000 light years the borg must be much bigger you do the maths

User45701

the borg have (at the shortest point in there space) 10,000 light years across
(a ten year journly at warp 9.975)

How long did those cadets on the valient say it would take to go around the entire federation?

bizmark

But you see their lies the problum .........Tng and the movies *up to first contact" support a VERY large federasion of 8,000 light years.But Ds9 (and only deepspace 9) support a much smaller Federasion of maybe only 600-1000 light year's

So i dont know i bleave in the bigger fed with no equal in the apha/beta quad's

(the cadets said a few months)

User45701

I see. 8000 light years seems a bit too much.

You would think that Startrek.com would just have a offical starmap

bizmark

ya but that would limit storys if they put limits on the size of the fed starfleet etc

Just like TNG showed at most 25 ships and the enterprise ALWAYS seemed to be the only ship in range......to Ds9 where massive 1,200 strong fleets show up out of no where

User45701

Well if you remember in the TNG episode called redemption the klingons are having a cival war and it takes ALLOT of effort to scrounge up a federation task force of 20 ships. about4-6 years later the Federation in the same amount of time assembled a fleet of 635 ships (DS9 6.3 Sacrifice of angels)

So yes it is odd how the fleet size seems to change allot. It would be nice if we knew the exact size of the federation. Also the thing i just dont understand is the romulans keep quite a large fllet on the federation border. But it always seem like the the closent ship is the enterpise and there alays several days away from the netrul zone. So why didnt the romulans attack during this time when the feds didnt have such a large fleet.

Woden

i'm gonna attempt some maths here

federation is 10000 lightyears across and 1000 light years up so that is an area of

10000*1000 = 10000000 = 1 *10^7 square light years or 10 million square light years.

assuming the federation has 20000 starships and an even distribution of said ships that should give a starship ever

1*10^7 / 2*10^4 = 500 square lightyears . so theoretically there is on ship in every five hundred square light years

considering it takes about a day to do 5 lightyears at warp 9 or so no wonder theres never a bloody ship around when you need it

User45701

So go around the entire federation......

emmm voyager was 70,00 away from home. Thats a 70 year trip

Thats 1000 light years = 1 year
So if the federation is 10,000 across thats a 1 year journy from 1 side to the other

Woden

nah voyager was 70000 light years from home hence the 70 years so to journey across the fed should be a ten year trip

User45701

sorry i left out a 0 in voyagers distance

So from one side of the federation to another is 10 years? That couldent be right because that would mean that anyone who wanted to conquer the federation would have to fight for 10 years min even if the federation didnt have a fleet.

Yet the dominion came so close to conquering the entire federation in less than 1 year, where did the other 9 years go to?

I wish there was a detailed map on star trek.com

Woden

well i suppose they mean they conquered the heart of the federation or the more original federation but yeah it is meant to be 10 years across

User45701

Freighter captain(living on outer federation wourld) : Bye honey im going on a cargo run,

Wife: What but we only just got back from....

Freighter captain:yes yes i know we just got back from our honey moon but dont worry im travleing at warp 9.975 in my new freighter. I have to do this cargo run.

Wife: ok seaya when you get back

20 years leter...

Freighter captain:Honey im home

I mean WTF? can you imagine (if they still had money) how much money you would get pain for that 1 cargo run. At modern wages 7 euro a hour x 24 hours a day x 365 days a year = 61320 x 20 years = Total payment for that 1 cargo run is 1226400 Euro.

DMT

Just saw the Enterprise episode with Duras today...