Birds as pets?

BEAT

What do you think about that?
I do not feel birds should be kept in cages, they were given wings and should be free to fly.

I love to watch birds and listen to them, I feel sorry for them when I see them locked up in people's house's for thier own amusement.

Exit

Agreed. I don't even know why it's done. Birds don't make great pets anyway.

Kinda the same with goldfish too.

Nala

Birds make great pets!
I have a budgie and a cockatiel and they are so friendly and playful.And their constant chatter keeps me company and cheers me up! As for the cage issue, my two are let out every night and after about 5 minutes of flying they return to their cage!!!

BEAT

I see neev,
So it's ok to lock them up in a confined area for "our" enjoyment, as long as it makes us happy it's ok? Let them out for a few minutes so they can tast freedom then back in they go.
Kinda like zoo's...they say it's for a purpose but really its to make money. Locking animals in cages, not in thier natural environment is ok as long as "we" enjoy it.



pffft /me bangs head....when will they understand!!!!!!:dunno:

seaghdhas

Most domesticated animals have become too specialised in domestication to survive in the wild, e.g. the goldfish you keep in a bowl wherever could physically not survive the rigours of living in the wild. Cats on the other hand are known to turn ferral.

If a person was brought out to somewhere in the wild and told to survive, 'we'll come back in six months', their success depends on what they already know, how food is viewed, physical sturdiness, the environment, etc.

Basically it's not as black and white as free or not. One would not say a licenced driver is always fit to drive.

Suaimhneach

I don't think birds should be locked up at all. Maybe buggies are diffrent though, if the are domesticated.

I think anything after that is creul though.

Kinda makes you think about zoo's and that. Although I'm sure they are getting the best of attension and care, but they aren't free. Kinda mean.

seaghdhas

I've decided to free my little toe. It could not survive by itself but it's not free. It can't walk around whichever way it feels like nor can it spend it's spare cash how it chooses, and that very soon is going to change. I mean it was not my own particular will to put it into slavery in the first place, but freeing it will put an end to that. I don't even need it anyway.

BEAT

Originally posted by seaghdhas
Most domesticated animals have become too specialised in domestication to survive in the wild, e.g. the goldfish you keep in a bowl wherever could physically not survive the rigours of living in the wild. Cats on the other hand are known to turn ferral.

If a person was brought out to somewhere in the wild and told to survive, 'we'll come back in six months', their success depends on what they already know, how food is viewed, physical sturdiness, the environment, etc.

Basically it's not as black and white as free or not. One would not say a licenced driver is always fit to drive.

You make a valid argument, however, if we did not lock these birds up in the first place they would be out in thier natural habitat and know how to survive. The key is getting people to realise that due to demand we must supply, but if more people were against this practice of making birds domesticated than there would be no demand and no more birds getting thier wings clipped. How unnatural is that! Clipping a birds wings so it cant do the one thing it was born to do...Fly freely.

As for your trolling above, while it is humorous, please stick to the topic.

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Exit

Playing Devil's Advocate: What about cats and dogs? Whether we keep them in our houses or in our gardens, they're not 'free' in any sense. Do you think it's wrong to keep them as pets?

Doctor Funfrock

NEVER HAVE A BIRD AS A PET!!!

i had a budgee once but i decided to let it out, it electrocuted itself on an open wire

BEAT

Originally posted by Exit
Playing Devil's Advocate: What about cats and dogs? Whether we keep them in our houses or in our gardens, they're not 'free' in any sense. Do you think it's wrong to keep them as pets?

Well exit,
This particular thread is about Birds as pets. While I do have views on the treatment of cats and dogs as pets...you may want to start a thread about it in the animals/pets issues board?? just a suggestion.

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by seaghdhas
Cats on the other hand are known to turn ferral.

Anyone who has ever tried to teach a cat to COME, SIT , FETCH will know they are not domesticated to the same extent as other pets. And most feral cats will accept regular food from humans in hard times.

Domesticated mammals tend to be smaller and paler than the wild ones - not sure if this applies to birds too.

Over in London there are these green parrots 'wot live wild now, and doing very well thank you.

The only solution is to breed parrots or members of the crow family so they can talk. And then ask them.

Nala

Originally posted by BEAT
I see neev,
So it's ok to lock them up in a confined area for "our" enjoyment, as long as it makes us happy it's ok? Let them out for a few minutes so they can tast freedom then back in they go.
Kinda like zoo's...they say it's for a purpose but really its to make money. Locking animals in cages, not in thier natural environment is ok as long as "we" enjoy it.



pffft /me bangs head....when will they understand!!!!!!:dunno:

My birds are very happy THANK YOU, they sing all day long, a miserable bird will just sit in silence. Sometimes when i let them out they don't want to come out.And they were bred to be pets,they were both reared in cages,they know no different.You'd swear to listen to you,that I went over to Australia and caught them myself.
I suppose you'd rather I set them free? What chance would they have? A blue-green and yellow budgie and a Lutino cockatiel.They'd have fúck-all chance.

BEAT

Originally posted by neev
My birds are very happy THANK YOU, they sing all day long, a miserable bird will just sit in silence. Sometimes when i let them out they don't want to come out.And they were bred to be pets,they were both reared in cages,they know no different.You'd swear to listen to you,that I went over to Australia and caught them myself.
I suppose you'd rather I set them free? What chance would they have? A blue-green and yellow budgie and a Lutino cockatiel.They'd have fúck-all chance.

NO I never said to anyone posting here to set them free...afterall, I am not an idiot. I realize the birds you keep were bred to be kept in cages and that is where the problem is. If you read the whole thread you will see the point I am trying to make. It is wrong to breed them for cages, it is unnatural. If people did not have a demand for them then these birds wouldnt be treated or bred in this manner.
Need I explain this further? It seems like a simple thing to understand.

:rolleyes:

watty

People keeping them is cages too small to stretch wings never mind fly...

If you do have pet birds why not convert part of attic as avaviary or if birds can withstand our Irish wweather, an outside avairy. Fine messh Chicken wire and 2" x 1" timber is not expensive.

Most caged pets are in cages too small mostly due to it what the shop sold and lack of knowledge.

Nala

I completely agre with you about cages sold in pet shops, I've seen rabbit hutches that couldn't house a field mouse.My birds' cage is grand though,the cockatiel can stretch his wings out fully,he's not restricted,but no bird should be kept in a cage 24/7.